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Is anyone else begining to think that Joe Horn moving on is hurting us now. Before i get beat up with things, I DO realize that Joe was/is old, been plauged with injuries and has/had a big mouth. BUT he was reliable when we needed a catch and provided great leadership that has NOT been replaced. No receiver has stepped up this year so far and we are 0-2. The receivers look lost on some routes, leaving Brees to force the ball to make plays, which is unlike Brees to do.


I love Drew Brees, but it does not look like he has a great grip on this Offense from a leadership stand point.

What should they do??

This one should start some arguments.

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I would think a little shake up is in order for WR. I think Devery Henderson is going to be benched next week, I would think either Copper or Patten will start. I cannot say for sure, but I think Henderson was either injured of benched in the second half. When the Saints had 4 WR formations, I seen Colston, Patten, Moore, and Bush on one set, then another time I seen Colston, Patten, Moore, and Copper.

Yes, Brees has been horrible. I think he will bounce back, but so far it's been bad. I know he had dropped passes, but his touch is way off too. Yep, he needs to blow up and demand that the guys get their crap together.

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I say give Moore a chance. I don't care about size and speed you have to make plays and he seems to be able to go get the ball. Your #2 wr should be able to catch the ball and devery is not consistant. What about the guys who made plays in the preseason. I know it doesnt count and they played against backups but he showed good hands and he was reliable.

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Like i put on one of the other posts, it looks like Brees doesnt trust his wide outs. Sometimes when you can tell he sees something where he wants to throw the ball he doesnt. Last year guys were getting open, not so much this year.

TO me they need to leave Deuce in there to be the #1 RB. I understand how talented Bush is, but a true "Running Back" he is not right now.

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Drew looks scared to me. The OL has been very porous the past two weeks. Had the running game going untill they both started fumbling and we got way behind. He doesn't trust anyone but Colston anymore. But, unless we can stop someone, this offense will self-destruct. We can't compete in high scoring games with these turnovers.

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A Word from Captain Obvious:

The O-Line is where the trouble starts on Offense. There's just no protection. I'm not sure if they're more banged up than we know or if there's just no leadership within the unit.

The Receivers lack leadership as well. I think Joe could have contributed in that way had he stayed, but he was offended by the FO/Staff. They wanted him to take a pay-cut, he said no. Every one of us would have done the same thing.

I hope that Patten can fill that void in leadership, eventually. Don't expect him to fill the #1 or #2 spot and get 70+ balls a year, but the team will need him and his expirience in big games down the road (If there are any more). This is a player the team needs to really step up and take control of that corp.

I agree that Henderson looks lost at the #2 spot. If it were me, I'd have him at the 3 or 4 spot and bring him certain situational downs. Despite his talents, he's just not making any plays.

That puts Moore as the two, who I really like there. He made some catches today that I like, and I think he's a gritty player with speed that can provide a spark to the stagnant offense. With Colston - who along with Johnson has caught everything thrown his way - at the 1 spot, that has the look of a Keyshawn/Steve Smith-type tandem that can kill you with the intermediate routs or the deep ball. A good pair to work in I and two TE sets coming off the play action...

...Which all starts with Deuce and Reggie. Here's where speculation comes in, but there seems like some trouble in paradise. Deuce, Reggie and Drew all seem to be in a daze. Did someone's mother die? Was there a love triangle involving Kim Kardashian, Mrs. Brees and...what was I talking about? Oh yeah, they don't look like they're getting along. I got no answers here.

As for the D...well...I got news for you, fellow Saints fans. They suck. There's no quick fix, either. Draft wisely, trade wisely, cut wisely and try to score a lot of points in the mean time.

There's been a lot of tinkering with the practice squad and free agents; there was a lot of sillyness in the draft with trading picks then trading up and back down then cutting the guys you traded for and all that. I see no method to the maddness, either. Just play football, coaches.

There's a lot of season left. If the team can go 3-3 thru week seven, I think they can start to pull it together and salvage something of this season.

Sorry for the rant. Bring on the Titans! WHO DAT!!!

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Use the TE more, seemed to make a small impact later in the game, Henderson is on a very short leash.
Losing Joe Horn IMO is not what's causing our offense to stutter, we have speed, good hands and a great backfield, something else is up with them and Payton better hurry and figure out as to why their not up to par.

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They need to play with a velcro football and gloves...

Seriously, how do we get the receivers to start stepping up? How about an extra 2-hours a week devoted to the WRs in something called "Catching Drills". Hell, it wouldn't be so bad if some our of defense had them as well.

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are we all watching the same saints team? cause the one im watching wouldnt benefit even if jerry rice was running the routes for them. theres just to many obstacles, and projects going on with this team ,to just pin it down to the wide receivers.

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When a good football team goes bad fans seem to always blame the coach, QB and then the RB, I think the entire team needs to be in timeout..

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It's called Analysis Vs. We Suck.

I guess you prefer the latter half of the argument.

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its becoming more and more obvious that Meachum was a HORRIBLE pick. We should have drafted a defensive player. We are decent at wide out...but our Defense SUCKS. 72 points in 2 games.....thats a red flag right there. And Meachum wont contribute any time soon. We needed a corner or MLB that could come right in and do something. Not a project wide out.

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Joe Horn, even though he was hurt last year, was a motivating force on the team.
On the sideline, in the locker room, on the practice field, on the phone...hard to replace that with "just another vet" that didn't get wet. There seems to be no chemistry, nothing that we can build on, no flow, no consistency. I 2nd the Lance Moore motion. The boy has good hands, good speed, knows how to get separation, and knows where he is on the field...and who's around him. You can't teach that. You either have it or you don't - Lance has got it. Give him a chance to make some plays and I think he will.

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Horn had a knack for first downs. And, I can't really stress that enough.

For what it's worth... the Chargers are my 2nd to favorite team.

Yeah, this is going to be a really rough, rough week for me.

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ODJ - Maybe the Saints will do better when they don't travel northward or eastward. That theory can't help SD at all.

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If you want to chalk up Meachum as a horrible pick, you'll have to throw the Bush one the year before as well. He hasn't really don't crap for being a number 2 overall. Less we forget who when before Reggie and that team is 2-0.

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Aww, c'mon, man!

What rookie averages 3.6-yards a carry, scores 6-rushing touch downs, 32-first down receptions, 2-receiving touchdowns, and fumbled only twice? (I can't find his special teams stats.)

There's first round picks that never had numbers that good throughout their entire career. What more do you want from a backup runningback?

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Look, I'm not trying to sugar coat anything. We look bad, ok? Just... giving up on the whole freakin' season after 2-games just doesn't seem reasonable to me.

That's why they play 16-games.

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You can't pin the blame on any one piece of the team in particular. They all suck equally bad at this point in time.

1. We wanted to run Deuce more? We tried, and he fumbled twice.

2. Give Reggie more touches? We tried that too, he's a featherweight and couldn't get anything done. He too fumbled, and it was luckily recovered by Eric Johnson.

3. Drew Brees turned the ball over as well. How many "good" throws did you see him make? Balls at receiver's feet, balls over their heads, balls batted at the line, and balls thrown behind receivers.

4. Receivers didn't catch the few balls that actually hit their hands (besides Colston, and Moore).

5. The offensive line let too many defenders get to Brees.

6. Special teams...do I even have to go there?

7. Olindo Mare? Some idiot decided to cut John "Money" Carney.

8. Defense. Forced a few 3 and outs, but allowed way too many points. Obviously. I think the offensive impotence leaked into the defense as well.

9. Playcalling. Hey let's pass the ball despite no rhythm whatsoever. (and I'm talking about WAY before we fell behind 200 points).

Overall, this team is out of sync, and someone needs to stand up and take responsibility for one another. Take some pride in your job and smack someone in the mouth. Keep chopping.

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It`s hard to say how much impact losing Horn has had on the team, but from a talent standpoint, we were winning last year when he was on the sideline, and today with Atlanta I think he had 1 catch.

I`m not going to make excuses for the defense giving up big plays, but I will cut the defense some slack. When the offense is going 3 and out, turning the ball over, and leaving opponents in great field position, I can`t really hang the L around the neck of the defense.

I see 2 problems with the offense;
1) The play calling is vanilla. Where`s those reverse plays we ran with success last year?, that screen to Bush in the flat with blockers? hitting Colston in stride across the middle, .. etc.. etc.. the offensive plays so far this season is not fooling anyone. It appears the offense is not trying to call money-maker plays, but rather it seems the goal is to set up a 3rd and short.
2) OL and the run blocking (except Karney) is HORRIBLE. You can tell Brees is not comfortable in the pocket, he`s being hurried, and passes are being batted down and his passes lack touch. All because of poor blocking.

Well, that`s my 2 cents worth.

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Well Said WillieMac. Sean Payton...you look like a one year wonder. I hope you can clean this up before you become Jim Haslett.

And at some point I just want to line Reggie up in the backfield and just keep handing it to him until he gets it. Because I think when he do get it...he'll be one of the top 5 RBs in the league.

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They were winning last year with Joe hurt, so it can't be that.

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Damn the morale around here sucks. It's a tough division and we played one really good team... and another team that's really tough at home. It's not like we got beat by Derek Anderson and the Browns.

Our schedule looks really tough for the first 8 games. If we can manage to hover around .500, I really believe we're going to string together 3 or 4 wins towards the end of the year.

We'll be okay... and I think we'll finish 9-7 with either a division title or wildcard berth.

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Haslett's having a good laugh this week......

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It starts and ends with the OL and DL gang

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And the OL looks like the levees broke right now.....

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Agreed. And they both are playing pitifully.

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Moore should be starting. He's earned it as much as Colston earned it last year.

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I think wr is a problem. It is important to sustain drives, it is important to catch the ball and keep the defense off the field. It would do wonders for the confidence of the offense to get back on track and they will be explosive.

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Joe was hurt alot last year but he had something you cant teach, leadership. Reggie is a great talent, but a "True RB" im not too sure of. IMO part of the problem with the running game is that they cant find a groove. Let Deuce pound the ball 25 times a game. Teams are starting to figure out what we do with Reggie on the field so i think the coaching staff has to regroup and come up with something new. Still really early in the season, hopefully everything will work itself out.


Boy did i open a can of worms with this one.

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Just a FYI, In response to number 7. Before last year many, many people here thought we should have cut him b/c of how poorly he had done that last two or three years. One good year does not make a kicker, nor does one bad year.

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NO we didn't have a problem moving the ball when he was out last year and he doesn't play defense.