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For all of those who came here with the fantasy world you lived in... bye. I guess you'll all show back up sometime before the draft and end of the season to pipe in on your nonesense.

Ahhh the hardcore is left now back to our lifestyle that we know OH so well.

I have been saying for years now (3). We have to build those damn lines. We have to start from scratch and build a line that no matter who you put in the back fields its not going to matter so much because we can bull-and-power over teams in the trences.

Last year I did not like what was happening because I saw the weakness the year before and we did nothing to corrected it and yet we go 10-6 and everything thinks we are a SB contender. I didn't believe it at all! We got lucky and the ball bounced in our favor is all. The weakness was still there and reared its ugly head from time to time but no one wanted to beileve it.

I don't care what we have to do but we need to free up money and get draft picks. We need to get Glenn Dorsey! We need to get a new D coach, change the D and coach them up and play more disiplined football. Our D shouldn't give up 30 points a game NEVER. I dont' care if we fumble 10 times a game at the 10 yard line we need a hardcore D and badass OL.

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you are dead on euph and i rarely agree with you. you win and lose in the trenches and if we can dominate the defensive and offensive line, everything else will come.

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The game is won and lost in the lines, no doubt about it. Anyone that doubts it isn't paying attention. Tom Brady/Peyton Manning could not have won last night the way our O line played. However, I was not as down on our O-line as you were. Were they greta I knew better, but this damn bad? I did not think it could be possible, guess I was wrong.

Our D line, now I knew there was work their, our D tackles cannot occupy blockers, which allows blockers to get to our so so LB's who NONE of them can shed a block, and run the ball down our throat. We show signs, but not there. We either keep pretty good D line and great LB's(Dome Patrol) or great line and OK LB's. With the salary cap you cannot have great players for both.

At this point I would like to see some of our RAW players on the field. Alleman on the line, give him a try, put Usama in the game. For god's sake if you draft another damn offensive player that does not play on the line I will pull all of my GD hair out.

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hahah i'm with ya man. good riddance and onward to progress :)

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I agree with the whole mantra that the games are won on the lines, but this was one of the best damn offensive lines in the NFL last season. How did they get so bad so fast?

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love the whole hard core fans bit myself

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I love the way Euph makes his points. With you 100% bro.

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I've been a fan of the Saints since 73' and went through a lot of bad years, a few of them I had no hope in the team at all, I still believe in this team as bad as it looks right now..
As most of us know, being a Saints fan is hard most of the time but for some reason a lot of us on this board stick with them, gotta love the Black and Gold guys...
Remember the Steve Walsh era?, hell I never thought of jumping off of the bandwagon, I did think thought about jumping off of a 20 story building but it was the hope I had in the team that kelp me from jumping.

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It was nice to see all the new folks supporting this team, something were not used to. It is like the Superbowl you support a team for whatever your reasons for roughly a two week period after its over your gone. Always remember the word fan is prefix for the word fanatic. I love the earlier script The Saints stepped on a plane for Chicago last season and we have not seen them since. Now it is time to see if Coach Payton is the real deal and whether he can put this team back together. In my opinion I think he has what it takes but time will tell it always does.

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No I can argue the point they were not that good they got by and Brees and company made them look better than they were at times. Match that line against decent defenses last year they were not nor looked good at all. 10-6 is good but not that good and a fluke year, over-acheieved at best. The flaws were there they just looked good stat-wise but the flaws were there. Good O-lines will battle and look good no matter what. They will keep you in the toughest of games... that did not happen last year. The tough games they folded like paper.

People have had an entire off-season looking at how to beat the Saints and now everyone follows the others in game planning against us.

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Actually you're completely wrong. The O-line was one of the best last year. Just because Brees got sacked a couple times by a good DE or LB doesn't mean they were terrible. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, but you gotta promise not to tell anyone...(Peyton Manning and Tom Brady get sacked sometimes too). To say that they didn't look good last year is ignorant. To say that Brees and everyone else made the O-line look good is ignorant. To say that a 10-6 year was a fluke year is ignorant. We were the second best team in the NFC last year because we earned it. Get a clue before you start comoing on here with all this crap.

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Really??

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I don't care what we have to do but we need to free up money and get draft picks. We need to get Glenn Dorsey! We need to get a new D coach, change the D and coach them up and play more disiplined football. Our D shouldn't give up 30 points a game NEVER. I dont' care if we fumble 10 times a game at the 10 yard line we need a hardcore D and badass OL.[/QUOTE]

A little over the top even for you Euph....

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Look, I was born in '85 and been a Saints fan since I could actually watch and contemplate football. No, I'm no stranger to the huge disappointment this team has been. I've been there for all my years... with all my love.

But, this is, by far, the hardest blow I've ever been dealt from this team. You know, I wasn't even positive that we'd match what we did last season. However, I never - EVER thought things would fall apart like this.

I didn't even go to my classes today because I was too depressed.

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IGNORANT??? why don't you prove to me they are good??? PROVE IT I dare you... oh wait 0-3 I win, you lose. have a sandwich.

What is ignorant is people like who live in a fantasy land all the time and fail to see the same problem I have been preaching for years. Manning - Brady, whomever they have lines that win... I could careless they get sacked from time to time but year in and year out where the hell are they??? IN THE PLAYOFFS. Get a clue.

Before you say anything else stupid and ignorant why don't you learn the game of football and then come talk to me.

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Everybody is so touchy...Relax. Ok...the O-line and D-Line suck....OK!

It's funny (sad) to me when fans accuse another fan of being a bandwagoner. It don't matter to me when someone started being a saints fans (the more the merrier). We all have suffered through the pain of being a fan...so to the new guys....Welcome to our misery!!

It makes me (or nobody else) better just because I've been rooting for my home team longer than someone else.

We lose 3 games to start the season and we start calling each other ignorant, and claiming that we are better fans than someone else...thats childish...to me. These are the kinds of things that "Loosers" do. We are not loosers...our club is just playing bad football right now. We still have a chance at the division.

So if it makes you feel better to call folks bandwagoners (which I guess makes you a better fan) ENJOY!

In my opinion it just brings a negative, non-inclusive, argumentative energy to blackandgold.

But like I say...whatever makes you feel better.

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so hostile...why?

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OMG... I can't believe you are taking the high-road for a change.

The thread was just a mere funny and pathetic one not calling anyone Bandwagon.

I do agree when someone who wants to call someone ignorant for there obvious correct opinion that last year so far appears to be a fluke and pointing out the obvious that our lines are horrible.

WTF. I been here for years and haven't been attacked like this.

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holding down the fort in CT WHO DAT

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Euph...I gotta mess with ya.

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I know... you're alright. I can appreciate differences and put them aside but calling someone names it just not cool here.

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You've forgotten that the team for whom you cheer are the cursed NO Saints. We are destined for failure. We cannot change our destiny.

Why cannot you be happy with our achievement in 2006, which was granted by God, and be content to return to your/our normal horrible-ness?

Why do you insist on questioning the gods on such things?

Accept that, as a Saints fan, you will dwell amongst the bottom-feeders, and be content with your FATE . . . as I have learned to be content.

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Well if you would be so generous as to go back and read what I wrote, I said that LAST YEAR they were one of the best in the league. It was a response to your comment that last year the O-line was terrible. If you want proof, get it yourself. Go back and watch the games from last year. You're just proving my point that you don't have a clue by responding to comments I didn't make. I do agree (and never disagreed) that they are playing terribly this year.
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, but I do stand by what I said about them being ignorant statements.
And by the way, thanks for the suggestion...the sandwich was delicious.

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stop the sandwich talk, i'm getting hungry. i can't believe i'm trying to move in the middle of this huge depression that is the Saints. from years before you would think we would be used to this. oh well, back to the drawing board! maybe we will change things up for a bit with a win after the bye week. WHO DAT!

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Dude I totally understand you now. You're the type of person who just likes to make BS statements with out really understanding or knowing anything. Blast someones comments or opinions for no reason what so ever nor prove or show facts to make your points. Just running at the mouth with no facts to prove your points... that is an ignorant stance you have taken.

They got lucky and over achieved last year and that has been proven by there play last year in some games and obvious by there play so far this year and an 0-3 record thus far.

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NO way we will win after a bye week. Its not the history of this team nor Brees. After a week off this team is flat and does nothing. We get spanked after 9-10 days off easy.

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You guys need to lighten up. Don't make me lock this thread. Things are always bad when the Saints are losing, but we don't need to take it out on each other. So please cool your jets.

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You know, I would write some hard-hitting analysis of the problems and how they are fixed, but...we all know this season is over. Just tank it, get D-Mac as a #1 pick, or trade Reggie for LDT that way they're both close to home.

Whatever...I've won 2 fantasy games in 3 leagues, the 5th graders I coach are 0-4 with no points scored all season and my girlfriend threatened to leave me Monday because I was "acting like a child". So screw it...football sucks...consider me a soccer fan now.

....nah, I'm BS-ing...the season starts next sunday with Carolina. Want some? Get some!!! We're going 13-0 down the streach, baby!!! WHO DAT!!!!!

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Oh, and if you find my absence over the last two weeks conspicuous, Euph, I've been in Chicago, Nashville and now Orlando on business with two days at home out of 14.

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so now what, glen dorsey in the draft next year?!?! and the saints cant say the fans werent behind them monday cuz the super dome was really loud for most of the game untill the titans pulled away

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Well the Boo-Birds are going to be out from now on. Get behind your team sure but they get paid a lot of money to put a decent product on the field. What they have been giving us is every right for the Boo-Birds to show up.

I am all for DORSEY. Get rid of these jokers on the coaching staff and get good quality coaches in there. I am all for dressing out LSU for our games at least they show up.

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[QUOTE=Euphoria;140204]Well the Boo-Birds are going to be out from now on. Get behind your team sure but they get paid a lot of money to put a decent product on the field. What they have been giving us is every right for the Boo-Birds to show up.
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You rang?

Couldn't resist.

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They consistantly give up to many big plays... thats not dominating. They get no pressure on the QB. We need pressure we need someone they have to double/triple team to free someone up to rush the QB. They are not getting the job done. DE's need to go, to much money and haven't backed up what they promised (double digit sacks from both of them).

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If this does not turn around quickly I want the bench playing. Solid rotation through out the rest of the season. I can handle growth easier.

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Alright, this is the last thing I'll say because you usually prove my point for me anyways, but I can't resist this. You're actually saying that an offensive line in professional football just got lucky for a whole season? What, whenever we played a team they're whole defensive line would just actually fall over an accident? I don't think so dude. And if 0-3 proves that they're terrible this year, then how does 10-6 not prove they were good last year? 10-6, that is my fact to prove my point. Luck is for one game, not 10. 11 if you include playoffs.

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10 games isn't that great... 10 games is good but not to be considered in the elite. Lose 2 games and you're sitting at 500 ball. Luck can get you more than one game. Now you're just trying to provoke something so lay off.

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I'm not trying to provoke anything. And I'm sorry to anyone who thinks I'm a jerk for the comments I've made on this thread. But it annoys me to see someone who calls himself a "fan" try to take away from one of very few good seasons we've ever had by writing it off as luck. I don't know what your problem is, why you can't just believe that we were actually good last year. Being 0-3 this year has nothing to do with last year. There were 8 months between our last game of last season and our first game this season. Are you gonna say that Charles Grant and Will Smith sucked last year too, just because they have no sacks this year? Or that Marques Colston was terrible last year just because he hasn't done much this year? It just makes no sense.

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You are provoking something DUDE! You keep saying "you", this and that. Just state your opinion on a thread and move on. I am not saying we had a bad year but its not as great as a lot of people make it out to be. When you see the play of last year there were holes and when we played against good teams we got spanked. The same problems exist last year, the year before and the year before that. I am saying WE SUCKED on the O-line and D line we just over acheieved last year. If you want to be in games and you want to win consistantly the way to do that is build top -elite, O lines and D lines
You name the DE's like they are something special but until the live up to the hype you create they are still nothing and don't deserve the money they are getting paid. They made promises and obviously so far they aren't living up to it. If you are that great and make a promise or expectations then they should damn well live up to it. THEY ARE NOT.

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Here is last years results. To tell you guys the truth...we kinda were LUCKY.

REGULAR SEASON
Sep 10 @ CLEVELAND BROWNS 19 - 14 (barely beat a crappy team)

Sep 17 @ GREEN BAY PACKERS 34 - 27 (same here)

Sep 25 vs. ATLANTA FALCONS 23 - 3 (This should be a no brainer why we won)

Oct 01 @ CAROLINA PANTHERS 18 - 21 (Loss to a good team)

Oct 08 vs. TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS 24 - 21 (See first comment)

Oct 15 vs. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES 27 - 24 (Lucked up)

Oct 29 vs. BALTIMORE RAVENS 22 - 35 (Lossed to a good team)

Nov 05 @ TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS 31 - 14 (beat a crappy team)

Nov 12 @ PITTSBURGH STEELERS 31 - 38 (see Baltimore comments)

Nov 19 vs. CINCINNATI BENGALS 16 - 31 (loss to a so-so team)

Nov 26 @ ATLANTA FALCONS 31 - 13 (Beat a crappy team again)

Dec 03 vs. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS 34 - 10 (see above comment)

Dec 10 @ DALLAS COWBOYS 42 - 17 (Coach P knew the other team)Great win though.

Dec 17 vs. WASHINGTON REDSKINS 10 - 16 (lost to a so-so team)

Dec 24 @ NEW YORK GIANTS 30 - 7 ( beat a crappy team)

Dec 31 vs. CAROLINA PANTHERS 21 - 31 (still got beat)

POSTSEASON
Jan 13 vs. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES 27 - 24 (just sqweeked by)

Jan 21 @ CHICAGO BEARS 14 - 39 (got ransacked by a good team)

So yes, I would say we got lucky folks. I am in no way down playing what they did last year because I will remember that season for ever, but luck was a factor.

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Ok, i've heard enough. I'm locking the thread. If you guys can't follow rules then don't post!