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Re: Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich?

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 140824)

Euph,

While I generally agree that drafting big uglies is a good idea, I have to respectfully disagree here. Reggie eventually will grade out to that once a decade skill player that you cannot afford to pass up. While I certainly would have picked DaBrick over SuperMario, when Reggie became available he was by far the best player in the draft.

Now Meachem is a completely different story. That's the kind of pick you use to upgrade the line. Dude is a complete waste for at least 2 years.

SFIAH

I'll have to disagree about the best player in the draft. He maybe the best roleplayer... but not best football player, not even best player. He wasn't rookie of the year... and has barely kept us above .500 as far as the regular season goes, since he has been in a Saints uniform.

At least with Da Brink you are getting a FOOTBALL PLAYER.

Re: Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich?

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 140762)

It looks like I'm going to have to defend Bush here.

BTW the word is spelled position.

Bush has done what he's been asked to do. For the 21 games of his career so far he has been asked to be the X factor the offense. Payton has deliberately put him all over the field.

He has done well in that position. The offense was doing well last season because defenses had to account for his X factor. The kid caught 88 balls and scored 9 TDs.

At the end of last season he was running better too. He has a 100 YD game against the Giants.

Now flip the page. This season the offense has been a total and complete flop. Bush has contributed to this by putting the ball on the carpet. But Deuce, Brees, the line, the receivers, the coaches have also contributed to this collapse. Hell even the water boy is at fault at this point.

The guy isn't LJ, Steven Jackson, Gore, or Deuce. He may grow into what Barber, LT, Westbrook, or Dunn have become over the last several seasons. But it hasn't been what he's been asked to do up until now.

He does have the level of talent that revamping an offense for him is required. 3 yards and a cloud of dust wastes his skills.

So I just want to be sure that you're saying that getting the ball 25 times a game between the tackles is the only requirement for being a RB in the NFL?

Personally if I'm Coach Payton I ignore the naysayers and keep using Bush the way I've been using him. Put him in the slot. Bring him around the edge. Run bubble screens, slants, and wheels for the guy. Isolate him in space on LBs and safeties that can't keep up.

That utilizes his talent.

BTW of course until the offense gets back to the fundamentals of blocking, catching, and not turning over the ball, it's all moot anyway.

SFIAH

The ONLY ONLY concern I have about Reggie Bush is that I believe that he is TOO SMALL and TOO LIGHT to be a great playmaker on Offense. I may be wrong about this . . .I hope I am.

Yes, Reggie looks a little rough around the edges at times BECAUSE HE IS STILL YOUNG. He can get smarter and more experience, but, can he put on more muscle and size?

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When its all said and done it doesn't matter wtf your stats are... all that matters is wins. Do they equate to wins??? 10-9 regular sesaon record and dropping.

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Euph, I understand that you believe Reggie was the wrong pick for us and we should have gone for DaBrick and built up our o-line. Well, living up here in NY and having to suffer through jets and giants games every week let me tell you, if you think Reggie has struggled, watch a jets game. DaBrick is HORRIBLE, most Jets fans want him on the bench. The guy is always getting beat, has no clue what is going on and is a lot closer to Mandarich than Reggie ever will. The only reason he's still starting on their o-line is because of the money he is making.

So, if we would have gone for DaBrick, we'd be having the same conversation now about building up the o-line only we'd be without Reggie. It is way too early to be calling Reggie a bust. Give him time, I have a feeling that being the go to guy now, he is going to explode. Yes the o-line has struggled and there's nothing Reggie can do about that, but DaBrick wouldn't have done anything to make out o-line better, trust me.

Re: Is Reggie Bush the New Tony Mandarich?

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Originally Posted by LivnaLieTimay (Post 140929)

See if you want to put words in my mouth then at least get them half right! I NEVER called Reggie a bust nor even hinted he was going to be a bust. I know its way to early but if we want to make him a bust keep him in a Saints uniform and behind our OLine and he will turn out to be a bust. I am sick and tired of you people putting words in my mouth.

One person on the Oline isn't going to make that much of a difference either. You need so spend 2-3 years building the line with the top quality young players and letting them develop and get familiar with one another to have that trust factor going as well.

If Fergeson was so horrible how come the Jets Offense looks far better than ours and they don't have Reggie... yeah ok. Pennington looks like a Pro-bowler compared to Brees. Yeah there Oline isn't doing the job. GET OUT OF HERE. ...and just wait until they get going in another year or two you come talk to me then.

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 140931)

We all have to remember this. None of us thought we had to address the O Line at all when the draft was upon us. We had a young, all pro LT in J.Brown and a fairly young, finally panning out Stinchcomb. There was really no logic in drafting an O lineman in the first round. A crystal ball would have been handy. That's the only way we could have foreseen such ugly o line play this season.

NEGATIVE... I said it! I shouted it then... Mangold/Fergeson. Yeah there was some, not many but some. I think its funny everyone/majority of people were all excited and got there panties wet about Reggie not going one. But I was still eyeing trading down or taking a TOP lineman.

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To all of you out there, I think you need to remember what Scott Fujita said last week.
The only member of this team playing up to his ability right now is Steve Weatherford the punter. Unless the entire team wakes up and plays on the level they are capable of this will be one long season and every reporter will let us have it because that is what they do best, write crap.

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 140937)

You can call it crap... but if you walk like a duck, talk like a duck and smell like a duck you are a duck.

Week in and week out if they stip onto the field it should be the reporters writing crap it should be us the fans giving them just what they give us... crap.