The Draft

WhoDat205 · 10-02-2007, 09:29 AM

If the draft were today, what position would be at the top of the list as far as need?

WhoDatQB · 10-02-2007, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

If the draft were today, what position would be at the top of the list as far as need?

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LB and CB's are great, but if you have a dominant D line then you do not need domination on either one. O line and D line are how to fix what ails us. Champ Bailey wouldn't fix us with how much time the opposing QB's are getting, the idea that people think we need a CB before a D line still blows my mind.

You could have a mind reading Champ Bailey in the backfield and if the D line doesn't get pressure then unless your whole D backfield is a mind reading Champ Bailey YOU WILL NOT WIN GAMES.

However if we have an O line we can stay on the field longer, sustain drives, and keep the opposing Offense off the field and we can recreate last year. If we want to keep a high performing team we need an O line and a D line.

saintsfan1313 · 10-02-2007, 12:36 PM

our DE's are rushing the outside, like they are supposed to do, but when we have no force or push in the middle, all the QB has to do is take a step forward. Watch film the past couple games, Grant and Smith come flying on the outside and the QB just steps forward to avoid them and complete the pass. A great push inside will give the QB no where to go with our DE's owning the outsides.....

WhoDatQB · 10-02-2007, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

Negative, ghostrider. Get real man. We have ZERO sacks from our DE position. ZERO! So I guess when M.Strahan had all those sacks he had two all pro DT's on the team? Nada. Fact is, Grant and Smith are as much to blame as anyone. PERIOD! If I remember correctly, the only defensive lineman to actually play well was Thomas and Young. For the most part, they held a very good running Tenn team in check. You're barkin' up the wrong tree here.

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Staying in your lanes is different from getting push. You can play the run good and not get any push. If you do not get push your DE's will not get to the QB. I am not agreeing with the above poster, but if your QB can just step to avoid them because of a lack of interior push you will never get a sack. Look back at the Titans game, Drew could never just step up, Haynesworth had an amazing push just about every play. Just because we perform well against the run does not mean our DT's are playing well and our DE's are playing bad.

saintsfan1313 · 10-02-2007, 03:06 PM

watch the film on the game....see how many times the QB just steps forward to avoid the rush......and look at the QB's we have played against so far. Manning, one of the fewest sackd qb's in recent years, and 2 mobile qb's in Garcia and Young. I think most of the problem is the DT getting no push.....WhoDatQB said it best, they are staying in their lanes, but that has nothing to do with push........easy to stop runners, but gives QB's plenty of room behind the line...I may be barking up the wrong tree, but yer no where near the right forest buddy

mjf150 · 10-02-2007, 03:21 PM

I'm thinking about limiting all of this "next year", "free-agents", and "draft" B.S., when we have only played three games. Yeah, we've lost all three of them and I'm as ticked as everyone else, but I'm not ready to throw in the towel and start talking about next year, and who we're going to draft, or what FA do we need to sign.

Euphoria · 10-02-2007, 03:31 PM

Well one comes to a forum to discuss the games, players, teams and whatever else we want to discuss about our team. There isn't anything wrong about discussing the future of the team and the direction we should move towards.

I personlly am tired of saying year after year what we should do and get jumped on by people because we should get a CB we need a LB, and the Reggie crap. We have done it your way we got reggie we did this, we did that... WAKE UP! We need an OL and a DL from hell! No CB, no LB, no QB, no RB can fix our woes if we don't have a dominating o-line and d-line. They are the ones that control the game, clock and protect and buy your key players time. We have to sacrafice a couple of years and work on the damn lines already.

frankeefrank · 10-02-2007, 04:43 PM

I understand all your arguments... But could we maybe draft a CB in the first round some time before I die to just see if that helps our defense????

frankeefrank · 10-02-2007, 04:49 PM

Or maybe a franchsie QB.
Can you believe the saints have drafted just one CB (Alex Molden) and one QB (Archie Manning) in their history?

NFL Draft History: First Round by Team

TheDeuce · 10-02-2007, 06:11 PM

Although I was tempted to vote for LB or OT (especially with Jake Long), I cast my vote for Defensive Tackle. Why? Well, the first reason is because of Glenn Dorsey. Second, because it's been a position that this franchise has flat out ignored for about a decade. Third, because previous posters are absolutely right, we need a push up the middle as well as from the edges. You can't have two crap defensive tackles (which Hollis and our street free agents are playing like) and expect to control the line of scrimmage. Put GD in there and see how much it frees up Will Smith and Charles Grant. Also, we can't stop the f***ing run up the middle. It's embarrassing and perhaps the most frustrating thing to watch when LenDale "My Coach Calls me Fat" White is pounding it all over you because you don't have anybody in the middle who can stop him. Think about it: Glenn Dorsey, Will Smith, Charles Grant, Hollis Thompson. Woooooo. That's a line that can dominate the trenches, don't you think?

View Poll Results: Which is the biggest position of need?
Corner	6	28.57%
Safety	1	4.76%
Line Backer	5	23.81%
DT	4	19.05%
DE	0	0%
O Line	5	23.81%
WR	0	0%
QB	0	0%
RB	0	0%
Voters: 21. You may not vote on this poll

10-02-2007, 09:29 AM	#1
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	The Draft If the draft were today, what position would be at the top of the list as far as need?

10-02-2007, 10:36 AM	#2
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: The Draft Originally Posted by WhoDat205 If the draft were today, what position would be at the top of the list as far as need? === LB and CB's are great, but if you have a dominant D line then you do not need domination on either one. O line and D line are how to fix what ails us. Champ Bailey wouldn't fix us with how much time the opposing QB's are getting, the idea that people think we need a CB before a D line still blows my mind. You could have a mind reading Champ Bailey in the backfield and if the D line doesn't get pressure then unless your whole D backfield is a mind reading Champ Bailey YOU WILL NOT WIN GAMES. However if we have an O line we can stay on the field longer, sustain drives, and keep the opposing Offense off the field and we can recreate last year. If we want to keep a high performing team we need an O line and a D line.

10-02-2007, 12:36 PM	#3
saintsfan1313 El Mero Mero Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kingsville, Tx Posts: 669	Re: The Draft our DE's are rushing the outside, like they are supposed to do, but when we have no force or push in the middle, all the QB has to do is take a step forward. Watch film the past couple games, Grant and Smith come flying on the outside and the QB just steps forward to avoid them and complete the pass. A great push inside will give the QB no where to go with our DE's owning the outsides.....

10-02-2007, 02:42 PM	#4
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: The Draft Originally Posted by saintsmissile Negative, ghostrider. Get real man. We have ZERO sacks from our DE position. ZERO! So I guess when M.Strahan had all those sacks he had two all pro DT's on the team? Nada. Fact is, Grant and Smith are as much to blame as anyone. PERIOD! If I remember correctly, the only defensive lineman to actually play well was Thomas and Young. For the most part, they held a very good running Tenn team in check. You're barkin' up the wrong tree here. ==== Staying in your lanes is different from getting push. You can play the run good and not get any push. If you do not get push your DE's will not get to the QB. I am not agreeing with the above poster, but if your QB can just step to avoid them because of a lack of interior push you will never get a sack. Look back at the Titans game, Drew could never just step up, Haynesworth had an amazing push just about every play. Just because we perform well against the run does not mean our DT's are playing well and our DE's are playing bad.

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10-02-2007, 03:06 PM	#5
saintsfan1313 El Mero Mero Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kingsville, Tx Posts: 669	Re: The Draft watch the film on the game....see how many times the QB just steps forward to avoid the rush......and look at the QB's we have played against so far. Manning, one of the fewest sackd qb's in recent years, and 2 mobile qb's in Garcia and Young. I think most of the problem is the DT getting no push.....WhoDatQB said it best, they are staying in their lanes, but that has nothing to do with push........easy to stop runners, but gives QB's plenty of room behind the line...I may be barking up the wrong tree, but yer no where near the right forest buddy
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10-02-2007, 03:21 PM	#6
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 752	Re: The Draft I'm thinking about limiting all of this "next year", "free-agents", and "draft" B.S., when we have only played three games. Yeah, we've lost all three of them and I'm as ticked as everyone else, but I'm not ready to throw in the towel and start talking about next year, and who we're going to draft, or what FA do we need to sign.
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10-02-2007, 03:31 PM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The Draft Well one comes to a forum to discuss the games, players, teams and whatever else we want to discuss about our team. There isn't anything wrong about discussing the future of the team and the direction we should move towards. I personlly am tired of saying year after year what we should do and get jumped on by people because we should get a CB we need a LB, and the Reggie crap. We have done it your way we got reggie we did this, we did that... WAKE UP! We need an OL and a DL from hell! No CB, no LB, no QB, no RB can fix our woes if we don't have a dominating o-line and d-line. They are the ones that control the game, clock and protect and buy your key players time. We have to sacrafice a couple of years and work on the damn lines already.

10-02-2007, 04:43 PM	#8
frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	Re: The Draft I understand all your arguments... But could we maybe draft a CB in the first round some time before I die to just see if that helps our defense????
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10-02-2007, 04:49 PM	#9
frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	Re: The Draft Or maybe a franchsie QB. Can you believe the saints have drafted just one CB (Alex Molden) and one QB (Archie Manning) in their history? NFL Draft History: First Round by Team
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10-02-2007, 06:11 PM	#10
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: The Draft Although I was tempted to vote for LB or OT (especially with Jake Long), I cast my vote for Defensive Tackle. Why? Well, the first reason is because of Glenn Dorsey. Second, because it's been a position that this franchise has flat out ignored for about a decade. Third, because previous posters are absolutely right, we need a push up the middle as well as from the edges. You can't have two crap defensive tackles (which Hollis and our street free agents are playing like) and expect to control the line of scrimmage. Put GD in there and see how much it frees up Will Smith and Charles Grant. Also, we can't stop the f***ing run up the middle. It's embarrassing and perhaps the most frustrating thing to watch when LenDale "My Coach Calls me Fat" White is pounding it all over you because you don't have anybody in the middle who can stop him. Think about it: Glenn Dorsey, Will Smith, Charles Grant, Hollis Thompson. Woooooo. That's a line that can dominate the trenches, don't you think?
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