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ssmitty 10-03-2007 04:50 AM

why are the saints 0-3?
 
2theadvocate.com | Saints | Several factors help explain Saints' 0-3 mark — Baton Rouge, LA

Euphoria 10-03-2007 11:03 AM

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"A suspect offensive line that appeared to overachieve last season has been manhandled this season, disrupting everything that an offense that was No. 1 in the NFL last season has tried to do".

Hmm, who has been sayin this...

papz 10-03-2007 12:42 PM

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I think we ALL know how you feel by now Euph. The dead horse is dead... leave it alone.

Euphoria 10-03-2007 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 140928)
I think we ALL know how you feel by now Euph. The dead horse is dead... leave it alone.

I am going to beat this drum for as long as I can. I been putting up with the crap for a few years...

Euphoria 10-03-2007 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 140933)
Offensive line, without a doubt. Course, when you have guys like Zach Strief SITTING there waiting for his chance, you have to put some blame on the coaching staff as well. Not to mention, you draft guys like Alleman and Bushrod to contribute SOMETHING to this team. For whatever reason, Payton will not pull these guys for playing poorly. For me, I don't care what you reputation is, how many probowls you've gone to etc. You play like CRAP for 3 games straight, your as* is getting benched.

Yeah I would like to agree with you but sometimes whats sitting behind those players maybe not the answer as well. They may not be ready to go and handle it. We are just screwed until the offseason. If we really are going to do this right we need to take a couple of years and rebuild, not just a quick fix.

Budsdrinker 10-03-2007 01:30 PM

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It's 3 freaking games!!!! If it goes to 0-7 then start to think about rebuilding. There have been winning streaks in the past where teams have won 10 games in row you know. And the way the NFC looks this year, 9-7 should make the playoffs.

Euphoria 10-03-2007 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 140938)
It's 3 freaking games!!!! If it goes to 0-7 then start to think about rebuilding. There have been winning streaks in the past where teams have won 10 games in row you know. And the way the NFC looks this year, 9-7 should make the playoffs.

We are only 4 weeks from being 0-7. As far as regular season goes we are 10-9. Thats not very promising either with all the expectation and over-hyped promies we were given. So do you want to take up this conversation in 4 weeks? lol.

WhoDat205 10-03-2007 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 140946)
Here's my deal with the offensive line. You have Strief, Alleman, Bushrod, Goodwin. Are all these guys stiffs or what? Other than Goodwin all are very young, granted. However, we spent 4 draft picks in the last two drafts on O lineman. They're still on the team so what the f?

I'm still trying to figure out what happened to the O-Line. They were great last year. WTF happened?!?

WhoDat205 10-03-2007 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 140951)
You know, you see a lot of posts condeming Payton, Gibbs etc. Why are we not BASHING the O Line coach? He has to take MUCH of this blame too. Hell, who is he anyway?

Marrone is listed as the OC/OLC on the team's website.

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LongTimeFan 10-03-2007 07:08 PM

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As I said in another thread, the Saints can't block so the our running game is suffering and so is Brees, if they can somehow figure out how to protect Brees and make some holes the running game will get better but it starts up front, question is did the bye week give them time to work on the problem.

leilung 10-03-2007 07:37 PM

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Why are the saints 0-3?

We're...ummm, not good.

MatthewT 10-03-2007 08:48 PM

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There is a very good reason why the Saints are 0-3. That's because they are the Saints. I've been watching this team religiously since around the middle to late 70's, and it's always been one heartbreak after another. Then when things start really looking up, like the Saints are on their way, things have a tendency to break apart. It's been a horrible trend ever since I've started watching them. Anyway, I will continue to be a loyal New Orleans Saints fan, no matter how much it really hurts.

SaintFanInATLHELL 10-04-2007 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LongTimeFan (Post 140979)
As I said in another thread, the Saints can't block so the our running game is suffering and so is Brees, if they can somehow figure out how to protect Brees and make some holes the running game will get better but it starts up front, question is did the bye week give them time to work on the problem.

This is the quote of the year and the fundamental question to be analyzed for this team. Let's take a look at the timeline a bit:

1) In the preseason of 2006, the Saints O-Line was picked by many pundits to be the worst line in the league. 32 out of 32 teams.

2) The 2006 season comes along and the Saints offense is prolific. #1 in the league for the year in yards and passing. Top 5 in every other category except rushing.

3) The 2007 preseason comes along and while two mid level picks are used for lineman, essentially the line comes back intact (along with the rest of the offense with the exception of TE and one WR position). Also during the preseason two foundations of the line, Faine and Brown, sustain injuries.

4) The 2007 season starts and frankly the line seems to be living down to their 2006 preseason prediction. Can't run block. Can't pass protect. Can't open holes. In Mora speak "diddly poo!".

So the question is what happened and how do we fix it? Is it simply attitude? Do we need new linemen from the backups to play (Streif, Allenman, etc)? No blocking schemes (zone blocking?). New plays to cover up the line deficiencies?

The offense has no rhythm, no identity. And now no Deuce to stabilize.

I know that some are calling for a revamp. Draft new players and the like. But it's the middle of the season. We have who we have. We have the coaches and players that we have. That hand is set.

So how do we play that hand to our advantage?

Ideas?

SFIAH

Cruize 10-04-2007 10:40 AM

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The Saints o-line wasn't great last year. Brees was MVP worthy great. The defense is the same below average group if not worse. The front office failed to improve the team during the offseason.

Euphoria 10-04-2007 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat205 (Post 140948)
I'm still trying to figure out what happened to the O-Line. They were great last year. WTF happened?!?

I'll tell ya what happened... they over-acheieve. I had suspected and wasn't feeling good about them going into last season. If you watch games last year that we played against really good OL and DL teams we got spanked. It was only a matter of time for us to come back to reality. Reality BITES!


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