Re: Reggie Bush
 

3 more carries??? the yards ok I'll give you that. But 3 more carries than Lendale come on -tit for tat. Besides you're missing the point here... He shared RB duties with Lendale and go by the number of oppitunites (carries) given to Bush vice LenDale... ahhh Euphoria you make sense now-if Bush was the feature back it would be more like 385 for Bush and 12 for Lendale.
You also forget that team all so had some top notch WR and a QB. You might wanna go back and when the game was on the line it was more that particualr QB in AZ who lead the team back and won more games on his back than did Bush. When the game is on the line and you need one drive or one play to win the game, it wasn't Bush.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

Let's leave his college deal out of it. Can he replace Deuce? No. Will Payton find a way to get him in space where he is effective? Probably yes. Do we need a new running back? Yes. Can Pierre Thomas help us? Give him a chance and see. Is Stecker the answer? He can block and make a few plays, but not the long term deal. In the end, Reggie will be happier in New York than here.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

woo woo woo... So someone saying Reggie isn't a replacement for a feature back such as Deuce???

Re: Reggie Bush
 

There's not many that can replace Deuce if you ask me. But no one is asking him to replace Deuce. They're asking him to be the featured back. Big difference. There's no way you can compare Reggie and Deuce, they're totally different style of runners. So let's compare apples to apples. I can see Reggie being very successful in our offense. Give him some time.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

I will not argue that Reggie can be successful in New Orleans behing an NFL offensive line or in some capacity other than the featured running back role.

You are correct apples and oranges Deuce/Reggie. Deuce has been more suited to be a featured back but age and all creeping up fast on the Deuce.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

His age doesn't bother me nearly as much as his injuries. That scares the hell out of me. We need him or someone of his style, if for no other reason than to compliment Reggie's style. If you put both in the game at the same time they would be scary. It's is hard, however to line up with 3 in the backfield, because I still think Karney needs to be back there blocking for both of them. This team runs the ball much better with Karney blocking.

And by the way I do agre with you that we need help on both lines. I just think there are ways to do it and i'm not sure that the draft is the only way to do it. I feel like trades and free agents are a definite need also. Draftees, I think you have to wait to long for them to pan out. Then it's hit or miss most of the time. After all look at the offensive linemen we'vdrafted in the last few years. Even OUr pro-bowler Brown doesn't know where to line up.

Those are my thoughts on that.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

You and I are fishin in the same pond, I also feel that his burst of speed comes to early, he needs to wait for the holes to open and get through the hole and then run his butt off, if I were him I would put my hand on my blockers back and follow him until the time was right to cut away.
He'll learn in time..

Re: Reggie Bush
 

He may not be the feature back right now but he's the best we have so he'll have to take on that role until he does become the feature back because one day soon he'll be one hell of a back, he's a type of back that can carry the load once he gains more experience, he's only played one game in the NFL as the "feature back"

Re: Reggie Bush
 

You know, the hand on the back thing sounds good. Seems to me like there was somebody several years ago that used to do that. It worked for them to the best of my memory. Of course that was many beers and a lot more grey matter ago.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

The hand on the back thing takes patience, something he's lacking right now but that will come in due time.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

Look Reggie is doing right now what he has always done and that is take some hand offs, catch some passes and return some kick here and there. Thats ALL he has ever done... why??? because he was and will never be a feature back. He wasn't drafted to be either. He was brought in so they can sale jerseys, help New Orleans recover and take some hand offs, catch some passes and return some kicks. Thats it... this feature back crap is all hogwash!

Having these so called high expectations is only going to bring him down in the future and just make matters worse. He has NEVER proven he could be a feature back anywheres he played.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

Well, like it or not, he is the feature back right now. I have already conceded that I think he needs to be complemented by a power back but that I think he could take the bulk of the carriers (~75%) and still be very effective.

So just go ahead and be pessimistic and bitter...I'll take care of the delusional optimism and let the truth reside in the middle.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

I agree WhoDat. Reggie needs to be lead by Karney. I think it will help him break the line of scrimmage a few times. Reggie is great in his element (open spaces) and Karney can help him in that respect...then he's on his own.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

I agree that running behind Karney will slow his roll and make him wait for the hole to open up. Plus it will give Brees another blocker, giving him more time and give the receivers more time to get open. My question is this. If we can see it, why can't Payton see it?

Re: Reggie Bush
 

Perhaps Payton can't see the forest for the trees. He sees these guys everyday and has developed relationships that may blurrrrrr or taint what he is seeing on the field - and on the films. But I see Karney's skill set as an asset not being utilized to its full potential. Even Duece loved to travel the road that Karney plowed - certainly Bush can benefit from following Karney into open areas. Karney is our best blitz protector, and has really good hands for use as a safety valve. Change is always tough, and after the success of last year, there may be added pressure to try to stay the course, and do things the same way- but it is not working. Losing Duece was a HUGE blow to our ability to control the ball. So now what do we do? Payton's so called genius needs to rise to the occasion, re-evaluate what he has to work with, and put his players in the best positions to make plays and contribute to the teams success.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

I agree whole heartedly
the relationships that form between a head coach and some players will often be thicker then blood
and I also agree that some coaches will stick to there game plan to the bitter end
case in point the last 3 head coaches we have had
but considering the 0 and 4 start…
it’s time to go back to the drawing board
and I’m personally glad they are doing just that

Re: Reggie Bush
 

So the expected #1 draft pick was brought in to sell Jerseys. Wow! You know he was never the featured back because he didn't have to be and it didn't fit into their scheme. Teams that use two backs, two qb's by that argument means they are not "featured". You go with what works with your game plan. Reggie has been part of two back systems not by his choice but by the teams. They have one Bruiser and one speed guy. Our Bruiser is down so Bush will have to step up and learn to be the feature back or coach gets another Bruiser and keeps the two back system. This is the opotunity to let Bush show if he can or can not do it. To say that he can't is premature since he hasn't been in a system where he has to.

Still can't get over the "we drafted him to sell tickets and jerseys".

yeah he has no talent right?

Re: Reggie Bush
 

lol
That was pure poetry my friend…
This was my point exactly.
Give him a chance before you sell him up the river.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

Euph, before you type, think. You ask me can I read? Yes I can, can you articulate yourself a little better. Take for instance the statement (That's like asking Brees ok you play our feature RB.), what the hell are you talking about? You're saying asking Reggie Bush a RB to tote the load is the same as asking Drew Brees a QB to be the featured back. Oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Weather he can or he can't doesn't really matters, it would benefit the Saints more if he plays from multiple positions on the field. Playing Reggie in the slot, out wide and from the "featured back" position puts the defense at an even greater disadvantage which frees up other players to make plays. Where ever Bush is lined up on the field you have to pay attention to him. Euph what is your proof that he can't be a featured back? Just because you say it doesn't make it true. And just because he didn't do it in college doesn't mean he can't do it now. So stop hating on Reggie so much, he is what he is, one hell of a talent and a difference maker, and once this offense get on track as a whole you can shutup with all that nonsense you be talking about.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

Lynwood and DeadmaN, no truer words were ever spoken. Now if we can just just convince Euph to give the guy a chance. We all know his stance on the lines, God we've heard them on every post on every thread. Just give Reggie a chance. This is all new to him and the entire offense.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

The only problem I can see is Payton coaches a west coast style offense and they typically don't use a bruising style FB. Karney is a prototype, smash mouth, throwback style of FB that is great at cracking skulls and busting lips but he's not fluid enough to be featured in the passing game, but I do think he's great in the passing game on third down and short and up to eight or nine yards and he's always great in goal line situations. I think Coach Payton should alter his playbook a little to include more two back sets, because it don't make sense to have one of the best blocking FBs in the league and not and not get full usage out of him.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

That might explain why Simoneau is still the starting MLB.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

You know, there always a first time for everything. It's obvious that things aren't working the way they are. All I'm saying is it's time to try something new. God know the few times we did use him as a blocker it worked, or at least better than without him. After all we don't have our bruising running back in there, at least until we see what Branch can do, if that's how they choose to use him.

I believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But, it's definitly broke right now, so let's at least try and fix it.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

There is no exact sceince to judging talent and predicting how it will translate to the NFL. Every year they have 1st round busts and some years top 5 busts. Most people had Bush as the #1 talent in last years draft and if he is a bust alot of people were wrong. Alot of people who do that for a living judging talent and projecting it to the NFL. Most people agree Houston made a mistake especially after the season we had improving that much in one year. This year is not over and I dont think most people would call Bush a bust just yet. I think our oline who has been underachieving will get rolling and our offense will get back to where we were last year. We still are explosive and have alot of talent on that side of the ball. We will get rolling and Sunday is a good day to start it. After leading the league in offense all last year we will look back to these 4 games as underachieving and the rest of our 12 games as who we really are.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

"UNDERACHIEVING" -underachieving??? U-N-D-E-R-A-C-H-I-E-V-I-N-G? The Saints offensive line UNDERACHIEVING... you're kidding right?

Re: Reggie Bush
 

Don't get me wrong Joe, I totally agree that he should be played more, a lot more. I think Reggie would have a better chance of breaking a big one with Karney leading the way. I just think he's not fluid enough to be used extensively in a west coast style passing offense, now as a traditional blocking FB, Payton should play him 100% of the time, everytime he lines Reggie up in the eye, Karney should be right along with him. And if he have to put Reggie in a single eye formation, than put Karney at one of the TE positions, he's a better blocker than all of our TEs.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

I'm really not trying to pile on here, but what are you talking about? Are you saying you expected an 0-4 start? You expected Brees to have 9ints to 1 TD? You expected to be dead last in essentially ever major statistical category? You expected to be the laughing stock of the league?

I think Karney can fill the role of a West Coast FB. He may be big, but he's got good hands and some speed. He and EJ are being under utilized

Re: Reggie Bush
 

So very true. Without Deuce we should be making use of both of these guys. Either one or both could add so much to our offense. Please Coach Payton, see the better part of your offense, use these guys. They can help us win.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

I actually suspected us being 1-3 maybe 0-4. The teams we opened with all have good lines... those good lines will keep you in more games than not. You really have to go back and evaluate the games we lost last year and see it was only a matter of time before reality showed up. I have already posted my prediction of being 0-5 after this coming week. Our lines and team over achieved last year to get us 2 games above 500 thats it, nothing more only 2 games above 500. When we played a team with Dominate lines we got blown out... that was not a mistake there was a reason for that.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

yes I'm gigging up this thread once again
because it needs to be

I guess that last weeks game should Say it all
Reggie can handle the starting position and I think he proved that point

ahhh the bitter taste of irony

but I'm sure his critics’ will say...
"it's only one game and you can't base your assumptions on one game"

I say to them...
"you can't base your assumptions on a season that has not given him the chance to prove if he is good enough and maybe (yes I know this is a big maybe) you can't see potential if it smacked you in the face"

Re: Reggie Bush
 

WOW what has this thread become? If reggie is sooooo overrated and not capable of being a go-to guy who would you rather have drafted at #2...mabye a fragile QB from USC who crumples at the thought of pressure and has an arm capable of hitting the 12 yard bomb with the explosiveness of a paper airplane.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

perhaps a DL or a OL maybe even another position.

Re: Reggie Bush
 

Linemen are rarely immediate impact players their first year, and end up being 3 or more years to develop.

Sorry, but immediate impact vs. project players gets my first round pick every day of the week.

By the way, I believe Winston Justice was available in the second round when we took Meachum.