Could this be Saints/Sullivan????

BillyCarpenter1 · 07-28-2003, 02:13 PM

Around the league

A gentleman's agreement and, quite honestly, the fear of retribution, precludes us from identifying the franchise currently involved in this situation: Seems the team, which had a top-10 selection in the first round of this year's draft, felt it had a tacit agreement "on the clock" with the agent representing the prospect it chose. During the 15-minute time limit for exercising first-round selections, the team faxed the agent a "letter of understanding," detailing the parameters of a contract. The agent initialed the letter and faxed it back to the team, whereupon the club then chose the player, in part because it was confident there was now a foundation for a contract relatively similar to the one awarded the player who had been chosen in the commensurate slot last year. Fast forward three months now and, surprise, the agent is backing off the letter of understanding. A high-ranking club official for the franchise in question declined to use the term "renege" this week when asked about the agent's reversal. "Technically, I guess what we did on draft day was to come to a long-distance handshake," said the official. "There was nothing binding about it but, hey, there's even honor among thieves sometimes, you know? We essentially said back on draft day, 'Look, we know we can't get an agreement finished in 15 minutes, so we'll give you last year's deal and tweak it some, all right?' And the agent and, I presume the player as well, agreed that was fair. Now it's like they're playing dumb about the letter and, I'll tell you what, it's going to hurt negotiations. We don't feel like we can trust (the agent). Can you blame us?" For years, the Dallas Cowboys used to strike deals "on the clock," at least on rough contract numbers, and there was never a situation where it blew up in Jerry Jones' face. At least none of which we are aware. But for the team in question here, it has exploded, and what management felt would be a facile negotiation figures to be rancorous now.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/pasqu...n/1582445.html

BlackandBlue · 07-28-2003, 02:34 PM

Narrow it down. Of the 10 picks that were drafted, 4 have yet to sign-

2. Detroit- Charles Rogers
6. N.O.- Jonathan Sullivan
7. JAX- Byron Leftwich
10. Bal- Terrell Suggs

You can rule out Rogers, as no WR\'s were taken until the 13th pick in 2002. Also, there were no QB\'s taken in the 6-10 position, so you can kinda rule Leftwich out as there was not a comparable pick made the year before, although I hear they are having problems getting him signed. It\'s either Sullivan or Suggs, as Ryan Sims (DT) was taken with the 6th pick last year and Dwight Freeney (DE) was taken with the 11th pick last year.

Aaron2 · 07-28-2003, 02:41 PM

Charles Rogers signed already

BillyCarpenter1 · 07-28-2003, 02:46 PM

Here\'s what I\'m thinking. Sullivan\'s agent is a rookie agent anyway and he was not expecting Sullivan to be taken anywhere near the 6th pick. When he got the phone call he was so suprised that he said ahhhhh yeah sure we\'ll take it. After hearing what the Saints situation at DT was he\'s now tring to get more. Sounds like a rookie agent that\'s going to hurt himself in future negociations.

BlackandBlue · 07-28-2003, 02:49 PM

Yeah, you\'re right. Not sure why ESPN hasn\'t updated that on the signings page, but oh well. Was clear as day on the Lions page. Found this as well

Ravens | Ravens Won\'t Budge in Negotiations - from www.KFFL.com
Mon, 28 Jul 2003 08:33:47 -0700

Updating previous reports, the Baltimore Sun reports Baltimore Ravens head coach Brian Billick said Ravens officials will not budge in negotiations with the camp\'s only no-shows, LB Terrell Suggs and QB Kyle Boller.

Sounds like Baltimore is having the same problem that we are.

BillyCarpenter1 · 07-28-2003, 02:51 PM

Thanks B&B, this makes me feel better. Hopefully it\'s the Ravens and not us.

TomGreen · 07-28-2003, 03:15 PM

I hope we sign Sullivan soon.

BillyCarpenter1 · 07-29-2003, 10:00 PM

Sounds like that was Sullivan and his agent.

The Baltimore Ravens on Tuesday evening reached a contract agreement with defensive end Terrell Suggs of Arizona State, the 10th overall prospect selected in the \'03 draft, and the higher of the team\'s two first-round choices, ESPN.com has learned

http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/pasqu...n/1587084.html

07-28-2003, 02:13 PM	#1
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Could this be Saints/Sullivan???? Around the league A gentleman's agreement and, quite honestly, the fear of retribution, precludes us from identifying the franchise currently involved in this situation: Seems the team, which had a top-10 selection in the first round of this year's draft, felt it had a tacit agreement "on the clock" with the agent representing the prospect it chose. During the 15-minute time limit for exercising first-round selections, the team faxed the agent a "letter of understanding," detailing the parameters of a contract. The agent initialed the letter and faxed it back to the team, whereupon the club then chose the player, in part because it was confident there was now a foundation for a contract relatively similar to the one awarded the player who had been chosen in the commensurate slot last year. Fast forward three months now and, surprise, the agent is backing off the letter of understanding. A high-ranking club official for the franchise in question declined to use the term "renege" this week when asked about the agent's reversal. "Technically, I guess what we did on draft day was to come to a long-distance handshake," said the official. "There was nothing binding about it but, hey, there's even honor among thieves sometimes, you know? We essentially said back on draft day, 'Look, we know we can't get an agreement finished in 15 minutes, so we'll give you last year's deal and tweak it some, all right?' And the agent and, I presume the player as well, agreed that was fair. Now it's like they're playing dumb about the letter and, I'll tell you what, it's going to hurt negotiations. We don't feel like we can trust (the agent). Can you blame us?" For years, the Dallas Cowboys used to strike deals "on the clock," at least on rough contract numbers, and there was never a situation where it blew up in Jerry Jones' face. At least none of which we are aware. But for the team in question here, it has exploded, and what management felt would be a facile negotiation figures to be rancorous now. http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/pasqu...n/1582445.html
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07-28-2003, 02:34 PM	#2
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Could this be Saints/Sullivan???? Narrow it down. Of the 10 picks that were drafted, 4 have yet to sign- 2. Detroit- Charles Rogers 6. N.O.- Jonathan Sullivan 7. JAX- Byron Leftwich 10. Bal- Terrell Suggs You can rule out Rogers, as no WR\'s were taken until the 13th pick in 2002. Also, there were no QB\'s taken in the 6-10 position, so you can kinda rule Leftwich out as there was not a comparable pick made the year before, although I hear they are having problems getting him signed. It\'s either Sullivan or Suggs, as Ryan Sims (DT) was taken with the 6th pick last year and Dwight Freeney (DE) was taken with the 11th pick last year.
	The waiting drove me mad.... I don't want to hear from those that know... Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed Eddie is a....draftnik?

07-28-2003, 02:41 PM	#3
Aaron2 Rookie Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 18	Could this be Saints/Sullivan???? Charles Rogers signed already
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07-28-2003, 02:46 PM	#4
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Could this be Saints/Sullivan???? Here\'s what I\'m thinking. Sullivan\'s agent is a rookie agent anyway and he was not expecting Sullivan to be taken anywhere near the 6th pick. When he got the phone call he was so suprised that he said ahhhhh yeah sure we\'ll take it. After hearing what the Saints situation at DT was he\'s now tring to get more. Sounds like a rookie agent that\'s going to hurt himself in future negociations.
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

07-28-2003, 02:49 PM	#5
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Could this be Saints/Sullivan???? Yeah, you\'re right. Not sure why ESPN hasn\'t updated that on the signings page, but oh well. Was clear as day on the Lions page. Found this as well Ravens \| Ravens Won\'t Budge in Negotiations - from www.KFFL.com Mon, 28 Jul 2003 08:33:47 -0700 Updating previous reports, the Baltimore Sun reports Baltimore Ravens head coach Brian Billick said Ravens officials will not budge in negotiations with the camp\'s only no-shows, LB Terrell Suggs and QB Kyle Boller. Sounds like Baltimore is having the same problem that we are.

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BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Could this be Saints/Sullivan???? Thanks B&B, this makes me feel better. Hopefully it\'s the Ravens and not us.
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07-28-2003, 03:15 PM	#7
TomGreen Registered Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 40	Could this be Saints/Sullivan???? I hope we sign Sullivan soon.
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07-29-2003, 10:00 PM	#8
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Could this be Saints/Sullivan???? Sounds like that was Sullivan and his agent. The Baltimore Ravens on Tuesday evening reached a contract agreement with defensive end Terrell Suggs of Arizona State, the 10th overall prospect selected in the \'03 draft, and the higher of the team\'s two first-round choices, ESPN.com has learned http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/pasqu...n/1587084.html
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