Jeff Faine
 

Here is the story from ESPN about 2 years ago...torn bicep not pec

Cleveland Browns center Jeff Faine will miss the final two games of the season after tearing his right biceps against the Oakland Raiders.

Coach Romeo Crennel said Monday that Faine, who started the first 14 games, might need surgery. The Browns are expected to place Faine, 24, on injured reserve, where he has finished each of his three seasons.

MRI on Wed.

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I hope he is okay, but at least the backup did well.

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F Faine he is garbage. I think he would make a great paper weight. Anytime you need the paper you have him sitting on just move towards him and he'll move out of the way.

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hahahaha wow, back with a vengeance euph?

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He doesn't have much to say these days as we're winning. It's kind of hard to troll when we haven't given up a sack in three games.

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hahahahaha

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i said all along that faine had trouble staying healthy a full season. last year was a miracle, i really wish we wouldve drafted kalil.

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Blah,blah,blah. Come on Euph, that's just sad. He may not be Pro-bowl material but there are worse.

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Nothing against Goodwin, he might surprise, but Faine is the starter because he is better.

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Give it a rest already, you won't be happy until we lose won't you?

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That's exactly it, he's nothing but a troll these days..
Very sad Euph...

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is this what you're looking for euph....

You're absolutely right about everything. Every opinion you have is the absolute correct analysis. You're a football genius and if only the Saints would LISTEN to what you're saying, they'd most likely be unstoppable by now.

sorry

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watch Faine on any given screen play, hell anytime he has a pull assignment... you'll see what I mean.

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This is the one I like: They overachieved all last year for a 10-6 record.
Mention that they underachieved the 1st 3 games:UNDERACHIEVED, UNDERACHIEVED...
Give up 4 sacks there are alot of qbs that wish they were behind this oline. How many starting qbs are out? How many have we knocked out? How many rbs are averaging the same amount as Bush or less than Deuce when we had him back there.

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ok lets see you are saying he is in the bottom 50% of the centers in the NFL?

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Our starting center is injured and he's thrilled about it. Need I say more. He may be underperforming to a degree, but he's the best we have. Hopefully Goodwin can step in and play solid.

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Euph....

Stay positive and look at the good that the Saints are doing right now, don't focus only on the bad, you'll enjoy the season more.
I see improvements with the saints the last couple of weeks and that gets me excited and ready for their next game...

The players and coaches are fighting to win every game, IMO they are doing the very best that they can right now and that's good enough for me...

Deep down I believe you are a Saints fan, I just can't understand how you speak so negitive about them all the time..

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Are you kidding? This IS Euph we're talking about you know? He hasn't a clue about the word positive!

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wait you want me to be positive about a player who sucks... hmmm let me see if I can figure this one out.

...look at it this way he showed up to the game
...He knew how to put his helmet on, cool.

I feel bad he's hurt but on the field he isn't a loss. (actually that is a possitive huh?) If its not a loss its a positive.

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Euph,
What was you take on LeCharles Bentley?
Just wondering.

I think Faine is an upgrade over Bentley at Center. Bentley was a great guard.

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Look, I live in the N.O. metro area and I know a lot of Saints fans that are always negative. I just just their nature. When you lose for so long, it gets to you. Now, I am as big of a Saints fan as any. The posts may not show it, but I come here pretty often...mostly in the offseason for some reason...It's hard to be positive when you expect so much out of this football team and they start off 0-4. Now we won 2 in a row....Great...But I am still not pleased with their play...The line has improved and Reggie is fun to watch, but the offense looks so out of rhythm.

I am trying best as I can to stay positive, but it sucks when people bring up next year's draft after 3 or 4 games. Thats when you know you've hit rock bottom. All I am saying is, people take losing differently. While some look at the good, some point out the bad. People are going to have opinions. Some outrageous and some are agreable. I am not going to as far to say this team doesn't have talent or Reggie is a 3rd down back, but I will say Reggie is a lot better off with a healthy Duece McAllister.

Now, I can give a good Rube Baker speech to get everyone to look on the bright side of things, but I can't do that until I see a more consistent offense and kicker. We have improved, but to meet our expectations we are going to have to improve a hell of a lot more. Like Reggie said, I wanna be that team that everyone hate to play.

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When you talk offensive lines you actually have to watch the player in the game not the offensive stats. Thats where show they don't know the real game. I said before and I'll say it again watch Faine on a screen pass and you'll see why we can't run screens he moves out of the way from a Defender instead of leveling a small db he lets them go. He'd rather just stand in front of someone and just try and be in there way in stead of engaging in hitting.

Bently far better! I think he's a better Guard than Center though but I know some will say otherwise and that is fine. I just think its easier to replace a center than a guard. The hardest part is setting the blocking.

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There is no wat Faine is a better center than Bentley. Yes, Bentley was a great guard and he was also a great center. Faine is better now cause he can actually play, but Bentley was the heart of our line. Did you watch the Titans game? Have you ever seen Bentley get run over that bad......ever?

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Well Faine injured and I can argue he can play but Bently is about to return for the Browns from what I hear.

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That is not always the case. Look at the history of our franchise and coaches falling in love with players.

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Any word on jeff playing this weekend.

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Different time, different coach, and different players.

Goodwin might be a viable fill in (who I agree probably will surprise) but we're talking about a ProBowl, 5 year starter, and former first round draft pick in Jeff Faine. And well Jonathan Goodwin is... Jonathan Goodwin.

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I'll just ignore his comments from now on because most of them are just for sake of argument anyway.
No point in me trying to change him because that won't happen.
I'm enjoying the Saints this season because I see improvement and see how they fight to win every game, even though the Saints are 2-4 I see that they have a chance at finsihing strong.

On a good note, the threads started here on the site have really been good lately, I enjoy reading them, keep up the good talk guys and gals..

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"Pro Bowl alternate" You don't neccesarily get into the Pro Bowl based on numbers its also a popularity vote. You be nice to voters, take a few out to dinner, play nice nice, you to have a shot to get in. He's a FRAUD! You might want to also add he was a starter for the Browns most of those years... and they dumped him off for WHO??? BENTLY!!!

We got suckered by the Browns!

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I maybe wrong (though I don't think so) but it's not the fans who vote for the Pro Bowl alternates... I believe it's the players and coaches. The fans vote for the Pro Bowl starters.

If you sit there and think about that, that doesn't exactly prove your point of Faine being a fraud... considering Bentley was a Pro Bowl guard/center. And just because he played for a horrible team, doesn't mean he's a horrible player if you were implying that. For example the Rams suck... that doesn't mean Torry Holt sucks.

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I have Holt on my fantasy team and he's just not helping me at all, it's not his fault why his numbers are down,, QB injured, RB injured which pretty much killed their running game, they are averaging 11.4 points scored per game, not good if your a Rams fan or if you own Holt own your team as I do, I continue to play Holt each week, you just can't sit down a Torry Holt.

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This is my point... you buy dinner and have some good friends in the NFL... you get into the Pro Bowl. I assume we agree on this. I also heard something of the sort on ESPN recently. I don't know if you were just saying the same thing or trying to argue my point but its the same point.

Don't mislead my second point though I feel like Bently deserved based on his actually play. Faine has not. Some players get known by the fans who vote based on numbers and excitment. Some get in because the players don't accept the invite to play in the Pro Bowl so they find someone to fill in.

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Look, Faine has done well at times and is adequate. If I not mistaken, wasn't Brooks a Pro-Bowl alternate one year? The Pro Bowl is a joke now. A lot of players that get invited, don't even go anymore. Tony Romo went to the Pro Bowl last year after playing like 9 games or something. I believe the fan's vote is partial to the players that get selected.

These arguments get so blown out of proportion. Honestly, would you rather still have Bentley or Faine? That's both being completely healthy of course. To me, it's a no brainer.

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if you wanna settle for adequate then I guess you are happy with 2-4. Faine is stinking up the joint this year that if FOR SURE!

Agree BENTLEY, hands down!

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Euph, I am sure if the "Agree Bentley" part was a sarcastic remark. I actually agree, no sarcasm involved. There shouldn't even be an argument over this ridiculous comparison. To me, getting rid of Bentley was a bad mistake, but I have to live it. I think most of us can agree that Bentley was better. Last year, I had no problem with Faine...we were winning. No one is playing as well as they did last year except maybe Moore Karney, Weatherford, and Bullocks has improved. That's not saying much.

I am happy with 2-4, but only after we lost the first four. I am disgusted from an overall standpoint.

As far as the Faine/Bentley comparison, I still haven't got answer from my previous question. Which is, did ANYONE ever see Bentley get manhandled like Faine did in the Titans game? I don't think so. Bentley is a far better run blocker and pass blocker than Faine is, hands down.

If the "I with Jeff Faine" club still don't believe me, then wait until the Jags game. Their DT's are the best in football and they'll eat Faine's lunch (if he plays). I hope he can improve and play better as goes for the rest of the team. Brown was looking bad the first couple games and looks to be going a lot better so it can happen. Let's just hope this offense can get their rhythm back and get going.

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So you're saying he's talentless and because he has a lot of friends around the league (supposely), which is why he made it to the Pro Bowl last year? That's a whole lot of steak and lobster to buy for 32 teams in this league along with the coaches.

You are mistaken... as I was also. He never did make it to one.

I don't believe anyone would argue with you there.

On numerous occasions. One in particular was when he was playing center and getting manhandled by a 7th round draft pick. It was against the Falcons in the 4th quarter a couple of years back. Absolutely manhandled... I still remember how he was getting pushed around... it was a very embarrassing day.

No one would argue with you there. But, he was a far better guard than center... far better.

It's not so much the "Jeff Faine fan club", it's the fact he's our starting center and the best we have. It's stupid to think he is completely useless and can't help this ball club win. I didn't like Meachem from day 1, but I'm supporting him. I don't feel the need to rag on him all day long... he is a Saint and a vital part of our future I hope.

Stroud and Henderson are massive tackles and are two the best DT's in the league. It would be hard for any center in this league to contain them.

Exactly so why can't Faine do the same? People were calling for Brown to be moved back to right tackle and Stinchcomb to the bench. My have things change. Funny how everyone else is getting the benefit of the doubt yet Faine constantly is made out to be the scapegoat and weak link of our line.

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Jeff Faine (pectoral) missed practice Wednesday and is not expected to play in Week 8.

Faine tried to play through an injured left pectoral muscle Sunday, but left the game several times before finally calling it quits. The Saints have avoided revealing the exact nature of the injury, but a torn muscle could sideline him for several games. Jonathan Goodwin, who filled in Sunday, would start in his place.

Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune

I guess some get their wish.

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Papz,my friend. You know that there are people on here that no matter who or what happens, they will never be happy with who or what we have. It's just their nature. There are times however, I'd like to see their butts out there trying to do some of the things we ask our players to do. That would be interesting to say the least.

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I've heard how painful a pectoral injury can be, it's very hard to take deep breaths much less lean over and put weight on one arm and snap the ball with the other.
I hope we get him back soon but that type of an injury can be tricky and can be tweaked very easily..
IMO they'll be OK until they get him bacl on the field.

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Actually, I think they do select Pro Bowl alternates just in case someone drops out or has surgery or what not. I know it doesn't mean he is a Pro Bowler.

By pointing out Faine's problems as a center this year, doesn't mean I don't think we can upgrade the position. He played well last year, no doubt. It's a "what have you done for me lately" league and Faine really hasn't done much lately. Notice who was one of the guys blocking down field for Pierre when he scored, Goodwin. All I care about is winning and we won 2 in a row and I am thankful for that. I am happy with Thomas playing corner, Mare kicking, the whole team....as long as we keep winning. I don't care how we do it. Doesn't mean that I won't be calling for upgrades in the offseason though.

Now, to say that I or any of you try this game at their level, it's impossible. They are Pros, the best of the best, but some aren't as good as others. It's really pointless to even bring up such a ridiculous statement. We are the best fans in the world, fellas. Might even be the most brutal to our players and coaches. When you expect you team to make the playoffs and go deep into the playoffs and they start out 0-4, then the sh*t hits the fan. I have been optimistic the whole time and I still am, but let's be honest with ourselves, this team has played well below par. We are gradually improving and I think the defense has been outstanding lately. Now if they can hold on until the offense improves, then we'll have something. Right now we are a 2-4 team on the rise and I hope it continues.

I am not a big fan of Faine, never was, along with a few other players on this club. As I am sure some of you feel a certain way about other players. This whole argument started with a Faine/Bentley comparison and I think the majority of us agree, even Euph. Now let's move on and kick some ass out there in fruitcake land.