Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball

BIGEASY504 · 10-28-2007, 06:36 PM

We’re going to need to run the ball more, is there a reason why PT is not running or just in on offense. Short passes will make go 3 and out and give the 9’ers a chance. Another TD and run PT plus we need the running game if we expect to be playing after the regular season

LongTimeFan · 10-28-2007, 07:13 PM

Brees- 336 yards, 4 TD's and no INT's
Colston-85 yards, 3 TD's
Bush-113 total yards

31 points scored today.

No need to run much today when the passing game was freaking awesome.

3-4 and only one game back of the Bucs and Panthers

darstep · 10-28-2007, 09:30 PM

I agree BIGEASY, we have got to run the ball. This would have been a good opportunity to run it...because we did not have to. I did not see enough of Karney leading the way. I saw him on that bogus/high school double reverse that went for -6, a waste. Brees did well today, but he will only carry us as far as to a decent team, then we are right back to weeks 1-3, struggling to pass because we can't run the ball. This win is ours because we showed up to claim it. We shot a wounded duck, that still makes for a good meal. We will have to control the ball and keep our defense fresh when we play quality teams, and that means we must run the ball.

QBREES9 · 10-28-2007, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by LongTimeFan

Brees- 336 yards, 4 TD's and no INT's
Colston-85 yards, 3 TD's
Bush-113 total yards

31 points scored today.

No need to run much today when the passing game was freaking awesome.

3-4 and only one game back of the Bucs and Panthers

You Hit it right on he head. LongTimeFan.

mikesaintfan · 10-29-2007, 08:26 AM

Not much Karney yesterday and a few to many questionable calls like the deep pass form our own goal line. Get PT involved.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-29-2007, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by LongTimeFan

Brees- 336 yards, 4 TD's and no INT's
Colston-85 yards, 3 TD's
Bush-113 total yards

31 points scored today.

No need to run much today when the passing game was freaking awesome.

3-4 and only one game back of the Bucs and Panthers

I guess I'm going to become the Euph of this subject. Just because everything is working right now doesn't mean that you don't address the problem.

Our pass happy offense works well against certain types of frankly not very good defenses. Try it against a playoff caliber defense and you get 4 game losing streaks to start the season.

Passing all the time makes you predictable and streaky. Great when the streak is in your favor. Terrible when it's not.

We can pass the ball at will. We can agree on that right?

So why not run the ball to set up the pass? Bush had a 6.4 YPC average yesterday. But he only carried the ball 10 times.

There are exposive plays in the run game. But you have to run the ball consistently to get to them.

I was watching the Patriots game yesterday and the analyist quoted Belechick saying that he gameplans his defense to take away what you do best. Every playoff caliber defense simply plans to take away the Saints passing game. And when that works you get streaks like the beginning of the season where Brees has 1 TD and 9 INTs.

I'm concerned because other than J'ville next week and maybe Tampa in early December we're not going to encounter any playoff caliber defenses for the rest of the season. So Coach will continue to be pass happy because it works. And we'll run most if not all of the rest of the table (Grant was quoted as us finishing 12-4).

And then the playoffs will come and we'll possibly be in New York, or Green Bay against really good fast defenses that will rush Brees and shut down the passing game in awful January conditions (or possibly even in the SuperDome). And we'll be back to asking what happened? Just like leaving Soldier field that damn cold January day (I know. I was there!)

We need the practice. The offense needs the consistency of a run game. We need to generate run game tape for others to consider.

We need to run the ball.

SFIAH

papz · 10-29-2007, 09:19 AM

We take whatever the defense is giving us. And in this game, we were able to exploit their secondary and do whatever we pleased. Just because we didn't run the ball a lot doesn't mean we couldn't have. Sure I would have love for us to pound the ball 30+ times a game, but we didn't have to. Those short swing passes to me are pretty much equivalent to a running play.

JOESAM2002 · 10-29-2007, 09:35 AM

I too think we need a running game. But to me Stecker sure as hell ain't the answer. As most of you know, i'm not a big Stecker fan. If Reggie is Bushed,no pun intended, pound PT. This kid has more running talent in his little finger than Stecker has in his entire body. I'd love to see PT in the offense more. He's just better than Stecker.

SapperSaint · 10-29-2007, 10:23 AM

It's hard to complain when Drew is on a roll. I will agree with Joe on Stecker, put PT in and lets see what he can do.

andersen · 10-29-2007, 10:31 AM

Coach must not have enough confidence in PT. When Reggie was hurting, he calls Stecker's numbers (12 carries). I like Stecker for 3rd downs, he can catch and block, but that game (way ahead) was a perfect time for PT to get some live reps and see what this kid can do. I am very disappointed in not seeing him more in the fourth quarter.

10-28-2007, 06:36 PM	#1
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10-28-2007, 07:13 PM	#2
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Brees- 336 yards, 4 TD's and no INT's Colston-85 yards, 3 TD's Bush-113 total yards 31 points scored today. No need to run much today when the passing game was freaking awesome. 3-4 and only one game back of the Bucs and Panthers

10-28-2007, 09:30 PM	#3
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball I agree BIGEASY, we have got to run the ball. This would have been a good opportunity to run it...because we did not have to. I did not see enough of Karney leading the way. I saw him on that bogus/high school double reverse that went for -6, a waste. Brees did well today, but he will only carry us as far as to a decent team, then we are right back to weeks 1-3, struggling to pass because we can't run the ball. This win is ours because we showed up to claim it. We shot a wounded duck, that still makes for a good meal. We will have to control the ball and keep our defense fresh when we play quality teams, and that means we must run the ball.
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10-28-2007, 10:10 PM	#4
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Originally Posted by LongTimeFan Brees- 336 yards, 4 TD's and no INT's Colston-85 yards, 3 TD's Bush-113 total yards 31 points scored today. No need to run much today when the passing game was freaking awesome. 3-4 and only one game back of the Bucs and Panthers You Hit it right on he head. LongTimeFan.

10-29-2007, 08:26 AM	#5
mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Not much Karney yesterday and a few to many questionable calls like the deep pass form our own goal line. Get PT involved.

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SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Originally Posted by LongTimeFan Brees- 336 yards, 4 TD's and no INT's Colston-85 yards, 3 TD's Bush-113 total yards 31 points scored today. No need to run much today when the passing game was freaking awesome. 3-4 and only one game back of the Bucs and Panthers I guess I'm going to become the Euph of this subject. Just because everything is working right now doesn't mean that you don't address the problem. Our pass happy offense works well against certain types of frankly not very good defenses. Try it against a playoff caliber defense and you get 4 game losing streaks to start the season. Passing all the time makes you predictable and streaky. Great when the streak is in your favor. Terrible when it's not. We can pass the ball at will. We can agree on that right? So why not run the ball to set up the pass? Bush had a 6.4 YPC average yesterday. But he only carried the ball 10 times. There are exposive plays in the run game. But you have to run the ball consistently to get to them. I was watching the Patriots game yesterday and the analyist quoted Belechick saying that he gameplans his defense to take away what you do best. Every playoff caliber defense simply plans to take away the Saints passing game. And when that works you get streaks like the beginning of the season where Brees has 1 TD and 9 INTs. I'm concerned because other than J'ville next week and maybe Tampa in early December we're not going to encounter any playoff caliber defenses for the rest of the season. So Coach will continue to be pass happy because it works. And we'll run most if not all of the rest of the table (Grant was quoted as us finishing 12-4). And then the playoffs will come and we'll possibly be in New York, or Green Bay against really good fast defenses that will rush Brees and shut down the passing game in awful January conditions (or possibly even in the SuperDome). And we'll be back to asking what happened? Just like leaving Soldier field that damn cold January day (I know. I was there!) We need the practice. The offense needs the consistency of a run game. We need to generate run game tape for others to consider. We need to run the ball. SFIAH
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10-29-2007, 09:19 AM	#7
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball We take whatever the defense is giving us. And in this game, we were able to exploit their secondary and do whatever we pleased. Just because we didn't run the ball a lot doesn't mean we couldn't have. Sure I would have love for us to pound the ball 30+ times a game, but we didn't have to. Those short swing passes to me are pretty much equivalent to a running play.
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10-29-2007, 09:35 AM	#8
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball I too think we need a running game. But to me Stecker sure as hell ain't the answer. As most of you know, i'm not a big Stecker fan. If Reggie is Bushed,no pun intended, pound PT. This kid has more running talent in his little finger than Stecker has in his entire body. I'd love to see PT in the offense more. He's just better than Stecker.

10-29-2007, 10:23 AM	#9
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball It's hard to complain when Drew is on a roll. I will agree with Joe on Stecker, put PT in and lets see what he can do.

10-29-2007, 10:31 AM	#10
andersen With an "E" Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Madisonville, LA Posts: 429	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Coach must not have enough confidence in PT. When Reggie was hurting, he calls Stecker's numbers (12 carries). I like Stecker for 3rd downs, he can catch and block, but that game (way ahead) was a perfect time for PT to get some live reps and see what this kid can do. I am very disappointed in not seeing him more in the fourth quarter.