So, Saints, you've just beaten the three worst teams in the NFL....

BlackHoleSlam · 10-29-2007, 11:28 AM

Doesn't matter. At the time they were 2-0 and their running game was looking phenomenal. In other words, they weren't bad heading into the Saints game.

Question: If the Saints went 12-4 this season, can Tampa Bay and Carolina brag about beating a GREAT Saints team in weeks 2 and 4?

mjf150 · 10-29-2007, 01:09 PM

Have you ever heard of a "bad 2-0 team"? Records are not always indicative of how good a team is or isn't. Those two wins came against a Panthers team that finished 8-8 and a Tampa team who finished 4-12. We were a good 2-0 team, and they were a bad 2-0 team, and we proved that when the two went head-to-head.

BlackHoleSlam · 10-29-2007, 01:52 PM

Using your logic........if the Saints go on to have a successful season this year, we can say they were a "good 0-4 team". Well, they weren't. They were a team that got completely embarrassed 3 of those 4 times. Of the 4 losses, the only team you could say (at that point in time) that appeared to be inferior to New Orleans despite beating them was Carolina.

You can say that the Saints had good players.....resiliant players.....good coaches.......good personnel, whatever........but there was nothing good about them as a "team" during the first month of this season.

If you recall at the time of that Saints/Falcons game.....the big storyline (aside from the Superdome re-opening) was that both teams were 2-0 and fighting for 1st place in the NFC South. Now, if you wanted to say that the Saints beat a "bad Falcon team", it would apply more to their 2nd meeting of the season than the first.

Papa Voodoo · 10-29-2007, 02:16 PM

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If you recall at the time of that Saints/Falcons game.....the big storyline (aside from the Superdome re-opening) was that both teams were 2-0 and fighting for 1st place in the NFC South. Now, if you wanted to say that the Saints beat a "bad Falcon team", it would apply more to their 2nd meeting of the season than the first.[/QUOTE]

Atlanta was the top rushing team going into that game and we didn't have a good run D. A lot of folks had the Falcons going to the playoffs at that point in the season.

SapperSaint · 10-29-2007, 02:21 PM

I will agree as I am sure everyone else will, The first three games this team had their heads in the clouds or their heads up their butts.

I just don't see how any of it really matters. Good team, bad team.... we will know what kinda team we have after this week. JAX is good even if Gray starts. This is a "good" team we are about to play.

BlackHoleSlam · 10-29-2007, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Atlanta was the top rushing team going into that game and we didn't have a good run D. A lot of folks had the Falcons going to the playoffs at that point in the season.

My point exactly.

Euphoria · 10-29-2007, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by dasaints26

All you can do is play the schedule that is dealt to you. Should we try to swap with another team so we can have better competition. And as far as playing Jax when they are a little banged up I'm all for it. We will play all the rest of our games without our best player "deuce".

See here's the problem. So you are happy being mediocre? I mean ok so we can't compete with the likes of the Steelers, Pats, Colts. We settle for that? We are ok with losing to some teams but not others? I mean I am happy to make the play offs as the next guy but to go out there and get embarrassed really... what are we accomplishing.

Euphoria · 10-29-2007, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

I will agree as I am sure everyone else will, The first three games this team had their heads in the clouds or their heads up their butts.

I just don't see how any of it really matters. Good team, bad team.... we will know what kinda team we have after this week. JAX is good even if Gray starts. This is a "good" team we are about to play.

Let me put this in perspective. If you are a good team you need to beat the teams you should beat. The teams we lost to are far better than we are call it what you want but The Saints can not complete with the likes of the Colts.

mjf150 · 10-29-2007, 03:16 PM

BlackHoleSlam, the Saints are a good team, not great team, that played poorly in the first 4 games. Why are you arguing symantics? The Falcons were a bad team last year - period. They may have been 2-0 at the time, but there have been a few teams to start off a season 2-0 and not be good. Remember, you can be 2-0 and be lucky, instead of good. However, luck will eventually run out, but good teams continue to win. Are you a closet Falcons fan?

SapperSaint · 10-29-2007, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Let me put this in perspective. If you are a good team you need to beat the teams you should beat. The teams we lost to are far better than we are call it what you want but The Saints can not complete with the likes of the Colts.

Oh I agree we are no where even close to the Colts right now. And we won't even dream about compairing our team to the PATS. And yes, I see your point and agree with you about getting to the playoffs just to get the hell beat out of us...that would be pointless. As fans I think just making the playoffs again is a milestone, considering the teams history. I know we expected more out of the team this year, but as football fans and not Saints fans we know that this team, right now, just needs to win it's next game and worry about playoff talk when the time comes.

We have to face reality, the Colts or the PATS are going to win the SB this year, and I am leaning more towards the PATS. Both have a truely great team. We, on the other hand, don't really know if we have a good or bad team right now. This week should gives us some insight into that question and give us the answer we all want to know.

Is this team "Good".

10-29-2007, 11:28 AM	#21
BlackHoleSlam Registered Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 40	Re: So, Saints, you've just beaten the three worst teams in the NFL.... Doesn't matter. At the time they were 2-0 and their running game was looking phenomenal. In other words, they weren't bad heading into the Saints game. Question: If the Saints went 12-4 this season, can Tampa Bay and Carolina brag about beating a GREAT Saints team in weeks 2 and 4?
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10-29-2007, 01:09 PM	#22
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 747	Re: So, Saints, you've just beaten the three worst teams in the NFL.... Have you ever heard of a "bad 2-0 team"? Records are not always indicative of how good a team is or isn't. Those two wins came against a Panthers team that finished 8-8 and a Tampa team who finished 4-12. We were a good 2-0 team, and they were a bad 2-0 team, and we proved that when the two went head-to-head.
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10-29-2007, 01:52 PM	#23
BlackHoleSlam Registered Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 40	Re: So, Saints, you've just beaten the three worst teams in the NFL.... Using your logic........if the Saints go on to have a successful season this year, we can say they were a "good 0-4 team". Well, they weren't. They were a team that got completely embarrassed 3 of those 4 times. Of the 4 losses, the only team you could say (at that point in time) that appeared to be inferior to New Orleans despite beating them was Carolina. You can say that the Saints had good players.....resiliant players.....good coaches.......good personnel, whatever........but there was nothing good about them as a "team" during the first month of this season. If you recall at the time of that Saints/Falcons game.....the big storyline (aside from the Superdome re-opening) was that both teams were 2-0 and fighting for 1st place in the NFC South. Now, if you wanted to say that the Saints beat a "bad Falcon team", it would apply more to their 2nd meeting of the season than the first.
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10-29-2007, 02:16 PM	#24
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: So, Saints, you've just beaten the three worst teams in the NFL.... [QUOTE= If you recall at the time of that Saints/Falcons game.....the big storyline (aside from the Superdome re-opening) was that both teams were 2-0 and fighting for 1st place in the NFC South. Now, if you wanted to say that the Saints beat a "bad Falcon team", it would apply more to their 2nd meeting of the season than the first.[/QUOTE] Atlanta was the top rushing team going into that game and we didn't have a good run D. A lot of folks had the Falcons going to the playoffs at that point in the season.

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10-29-2007, 02:31 PM	#26
BlackHoleSlam Registered Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 40	Re: So, Saints, you've just beaten the three worst teams in the NFL.... Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Atlanta was the top rushing team going into that game and we didn't have a good run D. A lot of folks had the Falcons going to the playoffs at that point in the season. My point exactly.
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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: So, Saints, you've just beaten the three worst teams in the NFL.... Originally Posted by dasaints26 All you can do is play the schedule that is dealt to you. Should we try to swap with another team so we can have better competition. And as far as playing Jax when they are a little banged up I'm all for it. We will play all the rest of our games without our best player "deuce". See here's the problem. So you are happy being mediocre? I mean ok so we can't compete with the likes of the Steelers, Pats, Colts. We settle for that? We are ok with losing to some teams but not others? I mean I am happy to make the play offs as the next guy but to go out there and get embarrassed really... what are we accomplishing.

10-29-2007, 02:39 PM	#28
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: So, Saints, you've just beaten the three worst teams in the NFL.... Originally Posted by SapperSaint I will agree as I am sure everyone else will, The first three games this team had their heads in the clouds or their heads up their butts. I just don't see how any of it really matters. Good team, bad team.... we will know what kinda team we have after this week. JAX is good even if Gray starts. This is a "good" team we are about to play. Let me put this in perspective. If you are a good team you need to beat the teams you should beat. The teams we lost to are far better than we are call it what you want but The Saints can not complete with the likes of the Colts.

10-29-2007, 03:16 PM	#29
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 747	Re: So, Saints, you've just beaten the three worst teams in the NFL.... BlackHoleSlam, the Saints are a good team, not great team, that played poorly in the first 4 games. Why are you arguing symantics? The Falcons were a bad team last year - period. They may have been 2-0 at the time, but there have been a few teams to start off a season 2-0 and not be good. Remember, you can be 2-0 and be lucky, instead of good. However, luck will eventually run out, but good teams continue to win. Are you a closet Falcons fan?
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