Payton Was Out Coached, Period
 

Coach Haz out coached his predecessor today in the Dome. Haslett brought pressure all day, he called blitzes from all over the field, and yet, Payton keep calling passing plays that had Brees taking five and seven step drops:confused:. Payton and Gibbs should have taken a page from Coach Haz book because they made him look like a defensive wizard. Can anyone answer a simple question for me? Why do we rush four and drop seven? It really doesn't stop or accomplish anything. If we sit back like that next week in Houston, we can expect the same results, a QB completing passes all day on us with no fear of being hit.

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uh.. didn't the Saints scored 29 points?

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Haslett wanted to win this game more than any game.

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So The Offense Did It Not The D. I Will Go Down Fighting Before I Give This To Haz

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The Saints had a total of 10 running plays, Count'em TEN. No balance at all. The Rams doubled our time of possession. Anytime our defense is on the field for 40 minutes, very little good can come from it. WE HAVE TO GET TO RUNNING THE BALL! The great reply will be that "when we are behind we can't run the ball". But we weren't always behind, we didn't start out behind, and we weren't so far behind that we COULD not run the ball. We started with Stecker's 13 yard pop and then he nearly disappeared. Karney got scraps - scrub playing time. Hang this one on Payton's play calling. All the yardage and completions at the end were Hasslett's prevent defense...remember that?

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Hmmmm in 4 wins Brees has 11 TD's and 1 Int and in 5 losses 11 Int's & 3 TD's... Yesterday Drew gives 2 gifts for 14 first half points to the Rams. Seems one of recuring "themes" this year is put a little pressure on Drew and he'll give it away. Of course all this set up by a weak OL that couldn't stop a dripping faucet...

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As they said back in the Brooks days, "yeah, but that was all in junk time when the game was over".

Haz stuck it to 'em today, period.

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Really? It was over?
Josh Bullocks missed 2, count them, two, onside kicks that hit him in the numbers.
The game wasn't over until Bullocks missed that second onside kick. Up until that point, the game wasn't over. So don't give me this crap that it was junk time, because it wasn't.

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Bottom line is after the first series, Brees and the offense was out of sync until the 4th quarter. His first pick was a pass that never should have been thrown and for that matter he should have never thrown the 2nd pass in all that coverage. Brees started on fire then he just lost it for 3 quarters, 2 picks, a fumble that we recovered and intentional grounding. Another dose of reality should make this team better and poised to go on another 4-5 5 game run. Only difference is now we may need to win out.

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The Saints are going to have to play like their life depended on it. Get Jason David out the game. He bites to much on the Qb fake. Our MLB and kicker sucks. Drew Brees looked like Brees of the first four games. We didnt run Reggie enough. Oh did I say Jason David sucks. The Saints had a chance to win that game but no Bullocks cant catch a cold. Worst of all I hate to see Haslett get the win. That just pi$$ed me off.

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I hope Payton is not like Haslett, I mean won't admit when he makes a mistake.

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Why oh Why do you practice onside kicks and not have 6'4" Marques Colston "The hands Guy" not the one setting up to take in the ball. I watched those two plays like 10 times and they had him blocking...Thats insane....FIRE BONAMEGO!!!! or whatever his stupid name is!!!!

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He outcoached himself.

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I think bottom line was just what blacksaint said. Rushing 4 and dropping back seven. It was 7-7 and rams had 3rd and 13 in 1st quarter. Saints don't even act like they may blitz. Anyone in any league would know you must blitz. Any NFL quarterback will convert there every time. It's like the def co is bipolar. First 4 games we did same thing. Then he comes out and says I was not playing a pressure scheme. He starts doing it and we win 4 in a row. Then he gets depressed or something and does this. It happened numerous times in the game. Thanks blacksaint, I was hoping someone else saw this. It is inexcusable. It's like they were trying to lose. Hell, even if your playing madden you would never NOT blitz if your opponent had 3rd and 13. Never ever. Pewee league never ever. Even if they throw a touchdown on your blitz you will hit the QB. He will be thinking next time. But no, take a struggling QB line up in the 4-3 with linebackers way back and corners and safeties way back and he knows theres no way you even could blitz. Again inexcusable. First post sorry for the rant.

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Whats up with all this negativity. Yall act like the Grinch stole Christmas.

Yeah the one thing that I saw that really cause for some concern is that the run blocking was actually very good. Pass blocking was bad. I felt like we could have actually ran the ball with lots of success and there was NO ADJUSTMENTS. The game is about adjustments and we made zero. Kept with the original game plan and got a big L.

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This was a mental collapse. Payton had them on their toes and aware that this was a dangerous winless team and they came out on offense with intensity and rammed it straight down their throats for an easy first TD. When they came out for the next drive, they had already won the game in their minds. Pass blocking went to hell and through off the timing of the routes. Drew in turn started throwing balls up for grabs and they were.

Before I knew it, the had gotten a splendid kick return by Thomas and did NOTHING with it. It took until nearly the 4th quarter for the team to realize they could be beat by the Rams.

Now, I don't buy all this junk time business. The first TD (getting them to 15) probably didn't scare the Rams much, but when they got to 21, the Rams coaches were worried.

Do you want to know what really cost us the game? I mean besides Josh Bullocks and his brick hands?

Timeouts, or the lack thereof.

The team was down a ton starting the second half so you would think that they would know that the timeouts are going to be valuable if they can get things together and get close. So, what do they do? They waste one of the precious TO's on defense. At this point in the game, you have got to save the TO's and go with whatever defense you called regardless.

Drew wasted the second one. Maybe it was necessary and resulted in points, but time was our enemy not the defense at that point.

The third went away with a challenge that, if won, would have made a scant amount of difference. Of course, the ref blew the call since Colston had maintained possession of the ball with out it hitting the ground until the LB fell on top of him. Now, he had already been touched by the CB and was on the ground so he was down. Why does it matter that a half second later another player falls on him and makes the ball touch the ground?

Anyway, this is my post-loss rant, I guess.

btw, We can't really blame Bullocks for the loss since the team shouldn't have been in that position to start with. But it is heart-breaking to see your team execute such a tough play to perfection only to watch the ball bounce through the stone hands of the same player twice.

For all of the booing I've been doing when Mare comes on the field for FG (don't tell Drew), those were to really consistent kicks on the onsides attempts. He nailed both of them and they went to nearly the exact same spot both times.

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The two onside kicks were perfect. I was shocked that we didn't get at least one of them. And Mare hit everything he kicked yesterday. That's a good thing, I guess.

No doubt............we beat ourselves. We looked down and took two shots, one at each foot. hit 'em both.

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I hope they gave a game ball to Mare, he sure did deserve the dame thing.