Interesting sean payton quote

QBREES9 · 11-12-2007, 08:19 PM

Interesting sean payton quote
"I was disappointed even after looking at the film today and seeing that the looks were not complex or difficult, and some of that is some of those looks are fine to run the ball against as well, and that’s something I regret – not running it enough, or even more in that second quarter.”

at least he knows he doesn't run when the situation is favorable. But he still a second year head coach.

JOESAM2002 · 11-12-2007, 09:17 PM

Yeah, but is he going to try something different? Hey! I have an idea. Why don't we try running Pierre Thomas? Yeah! That might work. It sure as hell can't hurt. OH wait..........put Pierre Thomas AND Reggie in the backfield at the same time. WOW, what an idea.

LongTimeFan · 11-14-2007, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

Yeah, but is he going to try something different? Hey! I have an idea. Why don't we try running Pierre Thomas? Yeah! That might work. It sure as hell can't hurt. OH wait..........put Pierre Thomas AND Reggie in the backfield at the same time. WOW, what an idea.

"put Pierre Thomas AND Reggie in the backfield at the same time. "

Very easy to figure this one out eh Joe?

I agree, put Thomas back there with Bush and things will click again for the Saints offense, it will would help out Bush and take some of the load off of Brees' shoulders.

You and I Joe are fishing out of the same pond my friend.
I may call Saints office and leave a message on Payton's answering machine, you know you can do that, I did it last season, problem was he never got back to me.

iceshack149 · 11-14-2007, 05:56 PM

I believe that most of us think that Bush should be moved around more with PT or even Jamaal Branch taking on more of the running back role. What are we missing? Is the run blocking so poor that this wont work?

This goes back to the NFCCG for me. I absolutely hated watching Brees throw the football all over the place after what Duece did to the Eagles the week before. Quit being so pass happy, coach.
Though I do have Drew in a fantasy league that awards a point per completion I would still much rather see a ground game established for the benefit of this team.

darstep · 11-14-2007, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

This goes back to the NFCCG for me. I absolutely hated watching Brees throw the football all over the place after what Duece did to the Eagles the week before. Quit being so pass happy, coach.
Though I do have Drew in a fantasy league that awards a point per completion I would still much rather see a ground game established for the benefit of this team.

I have been trying to figure Payton out since then myself. Whatever he was thinking last year end, he is still thinking. I know that he is a QB coach at heart and loves trickery, but if he really loves gravy he should cook some meat. Duece took us all the way to the NFCCG and had the ball handed to Brees to take us home...we never made it. I like Brees, he's smart, but he needs a running game to allow him to stand in the pocket. I was ready to throw it in when Duece went down, but then I saw flashes of hope running behind Karney. Coach didn't see it though...and I can't figure out how he/they missed it. They have high-def digital freeze frame from 8 different angles. I don't even have TIVO. I would LOVE to see Karney in the game on EVERY snap. I think he is the key to both running success, opening holes, and passing consistency, blitz protection and safety valve. That would call for a change that I don't think Payton is ready enough, patient enough, or conservative enough to make.

Stony Point B&G · 11-14-2007, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by darstep

I have been trying to figure Payton out since then myself. Whatever he was thinking last year end, he is still thinking. ... That would call for a change that I don't think Payton is ready enough, patient enough, or conservative enough to make.

This is probably the most likely reason why SP doesn't stick to the running game, especially in BIG games. Lack of patience. You would think he learned something about this from his years with the Tuna. You have to run to be able to pass.

FireVenturi · 11-15-2007, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

Yeah, but is he going to try something different? Hey! I have an idea. Why don't we try running Pierre Thomas? Yeah! That might work. It sure as hell can't hurt. OH wait..........put Pierre Thomas AND Reggie in the backfield at the same time. WOW, what an idea.

Well Joe, that just must too much sense....It wont happen!!!!

SAINTNHEAVEN · 11-16-2007, 01:56 PM

Well guys you all have great points BUT I did not see anyone
talk about what the def. cord. from the other side of the ball,
if were playing a team that's does not give us any yards per carry
I would have to say throw it! and if we can't pass the ball then run it!
it really depends on how the game is being played out.
but thats just my view.

WillMacKenzie · 11-12-2007, 10:05 PM

Pierre Thomas? HAH!

The kid must have leprosy or something, Payton just refuses to put Pierre anywhere near the huddle. I'm like you Joe, this kid has some serious grit to him, he can provide us with another dimension - but it's like Sean's always too busy tinkering with the pass play instead of being creative with the run.

cajunblake · 11-12-2007, 11:33 PM

I knew we were in trouble in the beginning of the 2nd Qtr due to the Offensive play calling (abandoning the running game way to soon). Saints were facing a 2nd down and 3 in their own territory, as Karney was taken out for the series. Karney should have been on the field blocking for Reggie and establishing the line of scrimmage. With 1 running back in the backfield (usually Reggie) , defenses have adapted by stacking the box and/or blitzing Brees.

Two things I have learned over the last 9 games, Brees is very ineffective with pressure in his face, and Reggie does not know how to pick up the blitz. Since Duece got hurt, Reggie has yet to rush for 100 yds. in Coach Payton's "featured back set". Averaging just 3.8 yards per carry, Reggie was more effective as the complimentary RB to the bruising , pound it down your throat running back we no longer have.

guess there's always next week as I hope Pierre Thomas gets more carries. In the 6 games PT has played, he has carried the ball 6 times for 40 yds ... 6.7 yds per carry. It's mind boggling that this kid got ZERO touches vs. SEA, JAC, and STL.

11-12-2007, 08:19 PM	#1
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Interesting sean payton quote Interesting sean payton quote "I was disappointed even after looking at the film today and seeing that the looks were not complex or difficult, and some of that is some of those looks are fine to run the ball against as well, and that’s something I regret – not running it enough, or even more in that second quarter.” at least he knows he doesn't run when the situation is favorable. But he still a second year head coach.

11-12-2007, 09:17 PM	#2
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Interesting sean payton quote Yeah, but is he going to try something different? Hey! I have an idea. Why don't we try running Pierre Thomas? Yeah! That might work. It sure as hell can't hurt. OH wait..........put Pierre Thomas AND Reggie in the backfield at the same time. WOW, what an idea.

11-14-2007, 05:34 PM	#3
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	Re: Interesting sean payton quote Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 Yeah, but is he going to try something different? Hey! I have an idea. Why don't we try running Pierre Thomas? Yeah! That might work. It sure as hell can't hurt. OH wait..........put Pierre Thomas AND Reggie in the backfield at the same time. WOW, what an idea. "put Pierre Thomas AND Reggie in the backfield at the same time. " Very easy to figure this one out eh Joe? I agree, put Thomas back there with Bush and things will click again for the Saints offense, it will would help out Bush and take some of the load off of Brees' shoulders. You and I Joe are fishing out of the same pond my friend. I may call Saints office and leave a message on Payton's answering machine, you know you can do that, I did it last season, problem was he never got back to me.
	Rest In Peace JoeSam, thanks for everything my friend.

11-14-2007, 05:56 PM	#4
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,335 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Interesting sean payton quote I believe that most of us think that Bush should be moved around more with PT or even Jamaal Branch taking on more of the running back role. What are we missing? Is the run blocking so poor that this wont work? This goes back to the NFCCG for me. I absolutely hated watching Brees throw the football all over the place after what Duece did to the Eagles the week before. Quit being so pass happy, coach. Though I do have Drew in a fantasy league that awards a point per completion I would still much rather see a ground game established for the benefit of this team.
	"...it's good to have friends, no matter where they are."--JOESAM2002

11-14-2007, 09:47 PM	#5
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Interesting sean payton quote Originally Posted by iceshack149 This goes back to the NFCCG for me. I absolutely hated watching Brees throw the football all over the place after what Duece did to the Eagles the week before. Quit being so pass happy, coach. Though I do have Drew in a fantasy league that awards a point per completion I would still much rather see a ground game established for the benefit of this team. I have been trying to figure Payton out since then myself. Whatever he was thinking last year end, he is still thinking. I know that he is a QB coach at heart and loves trickery, but if he really loves gravy he should cook some meat. Duece took us all the way to the NFCCG and had the ball handed to Brees to take us home...we never made it. I like Brees, he's smart, but he needs a running game to allow him to stand in the pocket. I was ready to throw it in when Duece went down, but then I saw flashes of hope running behind Karney. Coach didn't see it though...and I can't figure out how he/they missed it. They have high-def digital freeze frame from 8 different angles. I don't even have TIVO. I would LOVE to see Karney in the game on EVERY snap. I think he is the key to both running success, opening holes, and passing consistency, blitz protection and safety valve. That would call for a change that I don't think Payton is ready enough, patient enough, or conservative enough to make.
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11-14-2007, 09:55 PM	#6
Stony Point B&G Saints Fan since Day One Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Franklinton, LA Posts: 26	Re: Interesting sean payton quote Originally Posted by darstep I have been trying to figure Payton out since then myself. Whatever he was thinking last year end, he is still thinking. ... That would call for a change that I don't think Payton is ready enough, patient enough, or conservative enough to make. This is probably the most likely reason why SP doesn't stick to the running game, especially in BIG games. Lack of patience. You would think he learned something about this from his years with the Tuna. You have to run to be able to pass.

11-15-2007, 05:45 PM	#7
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Re: Interesting sean payton quote Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 Yeah, but is he going to try something different? Hey! I have an idea. Why don't we try running Pierre Thomas? Yeah! That might work. It sure as hell can't hurt. OH wait..........put Pierre Thomas AND Reggie in the backfield at the same time. WOW, what an idea. Well Joe, that just must too much sense....It wont happen!!!!

11-16-2007, 01:56 PM	#8
SAINTNHEAVEN Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 12	Re: Interesting sean payton quote Well guys you all have great points BUT I did not see anyone talk about what the def. cord. from the other side of the ball, if were playing a team that's does not give us any yards per carry I would have to say throw it! and if we can't pass the ball then run it! it really depends on how the game is being played out. but thats just my view.
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11-12-2007, 10:05 PM	#9
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Interesting sean payton quote Pierre Thomas? HAH! The kid must have leprosy or something, Payton just refuses to put Pierre anywhere near the huddle. I'm like you Joe, this kid has some serious grit to him, he can provide us with another dimension - but it's like Sean's always too busy tinkering with the pass play instead of being creative with the run.

11-12-2007, 11:33 PM	#10
cajunblake Rookie Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 11	Re: Interesting sean payton quote I knew we were in trouble in the beginning of the 2nd Qtr due to the Offensive play calling (abandoning the running game way to soon). Saints were facing a 2nd down and 3 in their own territory, as Karney was taken out for the series. Karney should have been on the field blocking for Reggie and establishing the line of scrimmage. With 1 running back in the backfield (usually Reggie) , defenses have adapted by stacking the box and/or blitzing Brees. Two things I have learned over the last 9 games, Brees is very ineffective with pressure in his face, and Reggie does not know how to pick up the blitz. Since Duece got hurt, Reggie has yet to rush for 100 yds. in Coach Payton's "featured back set". Averaging just 3.8 yards per carry, Reggie was more effective as the complimentary RB to the bruising , pound it down your throat running back we no longer have. guess there's always next week as I hope Pierre Thomas gets more carries. In the 6 games PT has played, he has carried the ball 6 times for 40 yds ... 6.7 yds per carry. It's mind boggling that this kid got ZERO touches vs. SEA, JAC, and STL.
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