John Carney is available

QBREES9 · 11-20-2007, 08:18 PM

John Carney is available
John Carney was released by the Jag's today.

MatthewT · 11-20-2007, 09:09 PM

There is no sense in picking up Carney again. At 4-6, just let Mare show what he can or can't do for the rest of the year. This season is pretty much over, baring a miracle. Maybe Mare can shake out of his funk and show us something good to look forward to next year. Yes, I am in a very bad mood tonight...

TheDeuce · 11-20-2007, 11:01 PM

I'm going to disagree with MatthewT here and say that we need to pick him up. I don't care if he can only kick it to the 15 yard line on kickoffs, we need to be able to get in field goal range and have faith in our kicker. We've had too many momentum killing 4th down calls because we don't trust Mare

biloxi-indian · 11-21-2007, 06:26 AM

If the Saints are looking for re-threads, then here is another one;

Jaguars release Bouman following Garrard's return - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

darstep · 11-21-2007, 06:58 AM

We pick him up because it sends a message to all of the other loafers and slugs: Bring your game EVERYWEEK, or your job is up for grabs. Week 1 or week 16, the policy is the same. I'm not ready to toss the season yet. 4 down and then 4 up. 2 down and....the script hasn't been played out yet. Let's not have it dictated to us - I'd like to see the guys give some kind of effort towards the "6 up" ending to this thing. It may not happen but it sets the tone going forward into 08' and beyond. These guys know what business they are in, and they know that team loyalty went out the door when free agency walked in. They are paid professionals; I'd like to see them act like it - every week!

mjf150 · 11-21-2007, 07:28 AM

Mare was brought in mainly because of his ability, over Carney, to limit returns by making touchbacks. I think it would be interesting to see, if someone could do the research, how many touchback Mare has had this year, verses how many Carney had at this time last year. I think the results would be surprising, because, to be honest, I haven't seen Mare make too many touchbacks this year, or field goals for that matter.

Budsdrinker · 11-21-2007, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by mjf150

Mare was brought in mainly because of his ability, over Carney, to limit returns by making touchbacks. I think it would be interesting to see, if someone could do the research, how many touchback Mare has had this year, verses how many Carney had at this time last year. I think the results would be surprising, because, to be honest, I haven't seen Mare make too many touchbacks this year, or field goals for that matter.

Last year stats from nfl.com
Mare 24 TB's
Carney 5 TB's

This year
Mare 11 TB's
Carney 5 TB's

mjf150 · 11-21-2007, 09:41 AM

Carney was 23 of 25 for the Saint's last year, that's 92% for those counting. Mare, on the other hand has made only 6 out of 12, or 50%, for the team this year. I would gladly keep a player with 92% coversion rate on FG's and less TB's, over a guy that makes only half of his FG's.

Budsdrinker · 11-21-2007, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by mjf150

Carney was 23 of 25 for the Saint's last year, that's 92% for those counting. Mare, on the other hand has made only 6 out of 12, or 50%, for the team this year. I would gladly keep a player with 92% coversion rate on FG's and less TB's, over a guy that makes only half of his FG's.

Here are career stats for both kickers.

Olindo Mare: Career Stats

John Carney: Career Stats

Career stats are pretty close to equal and they both have missed some critical kicks and made some kicks. Carney just doesn't have the leg strength anymore. Bottom line is we need to get in the endzone and not worry about fieldgoals.

CheramieIII · 11-21-2007, 07:09 PM

I say sign him for field goals and let Mare kick off and by the way I think we should on side kick every kick off the rest of the season and use the shotgun, no huddle also.

If we're going to lose lets at least make it exciting and score some points, I can watch the 49ers if I want to see a team that can't score and has no potential at all.

11-20-2007, 08:18 PM	#1
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	John Carney is available John Carney is available John Carney was released by the Jag's today.

11-20-2007, 09:09 PM	#2
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: John Carney is available There is no sense in picking up Carney again. At 4-6, just let Mare show what he can or can't do for the rest of the year. This season is pretty much over, baring a miracle. Maybe Mare can shake out of his funk and show us something good to look forward to next year. Yes, I am in a very bad mood tonight...

11-20-2007, 11:01 PM	#3
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: John Carney is available I'm going to disagree with MatthewT here and say that we need to pick him up. I don't care if he can only kick it to the 15 yard line on kickoffs, we need to be able to get in field goal range and have faith in our kicker. We've had too many momentum killing 4th down calls because we don't trust Mare
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928

11-21-2007, 06:26 AM	#4
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: John Carney is available If the Saints are looking for re-threads, then here is another one; Jaguars release Bouman following Garrard's return - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

11-21-2007, 06:58 AM	#5
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: John Carney is available We pick him up because it sends a message to all of the other loafers and slugs: Bring your game EVERYWEEK, or your job is up for grabs. Week 1 or week 16, the policy is the same. I'm not ready to toss the season yet. 4 down and then 4 up. 2 down and....the script hasn't been played out yet. Let's not have it dictated to us - I'd like to see the guys give some kind of effort towards the "6 up" ending to this thing. It may not happen but it sets the tone going forward into 08' and beyond. These guys know what business they are in, and they know that team loyalty went out the door when free agency walked in. They are paid professionals; I'd like to see them act like it - every week!
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11-21-2007, 07:28 AM	#6
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 770	Re: John Carney is available Mare was brought in mainly because of his ability, over Carney, to limit returns by making touchbacks. I think it would be interesting to see, if someone could do the research, how many touchback Mare has had this year, verses how many Carney had at this time last year. I think the results would be surprising, because, to be honest, I haven't seen Mare make too many touchbacks this year, or field goals for that matter.
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11-21-2007, 08:32 AM	#7
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: John Carney is available Originally Posted by mjf150 Mare was brought in mainly because of his ability, over Carney, to limit returns by making touchbacks. I think it would be interesting to see, if someone could do the research, how many touchback Mare has had this year, verses how many Carney had at this time last year. I think the results would be surprising, because, to be honest, I haven't seen Mare make too many touchbacks this year, or field goals for that matter. Last year stats from nfl.com Mare 24 TB's Carney 5 TB's This year Mare 11 TB's Carney 5 TB's

11-21-2007, 09:41 AM	#8
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 770	Re: John Carney is available Carney was 23 of 25 for the Saint's last year, that's 92% for those counting. Mare, on the other hand has made only 6 out of 12, or 50%, for the team this year. I would gladly keep a player with 92% coversion rate on FG's and less TB's, over a guy that makes only half of his FG's.
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 770

11-21-2007, 02:05 PM	#9
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: John Carney is available Originally Posted by mjf150 Carney was 23 of 25 for the Saint's last year, that's 92% for those counting. Mare, on the other hand has made only 6 out of 12, or 50%, for the team this year. I would gladly keep a player with 92% coversion rate on FG's and less TB's, over a guy that makes only half of his FG's. Here are career stats for both kickers. Olindo Mare: Career Stats John Carney: Career Stats Career stats are pretty close to equal and they both have missed some critical kicks and made some kicks. Carney just doesn't have the leg strength anymore. Bottom line is we need to get in the endzone and not worry about fieldgoals.

11-21-2007, 07:09 PM	#10
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,490 Blog Entries: 3	Re: John Carney is available I say sign him for field goals and let Mare kick off and by the way I think we should on side kick every kick off the rest of the season and use the shotgun, no huddle also. If we're going to lose lets at least make it exciting and score some points, I can watch the 49ers if I want to see a team that can't score and has no potential at all.