GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb
 

I know no one really cares about these Offensive Lineman all they care about is the big names like Reggie Bush and Drew Brees.

What is going to go overlooked is the OUTSTANDING play of Tackle Jon Stinchcomb who literally shut down Julius Peterson. Held him to ZERO sacks but even more staggering was ZERO TACKLES!

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I gave mine to Stecker, but I'll gladly reconsider. You're right on with this one.

Actually, I think the most impressive, was Sean Payton's willingness to change his gameplan and offensive philosophy.

But, for players, those two definately stepped it up.

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Those five guys are the most important players on the field--The J O-Line. Give Jon The Game Ball. He did play a hell'va game

"What is going to go overlooked is the OUTSTANDING play of Tackle Jon Stinchcomb who literally shut down Julius Peterson. Held him to ZERO sacks but even more staggering was ZERO TACKLES! "

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I'm with you, give Stinchcomb the game ball. Heck, he should be considered for NFL offensive player of the week. He completely shut down a dominating end.

What you don't know!
 

Congrats Euphoria for noticing the Big Guys! What makes your notice even better is the fact that Stinch hyper extended his elbow in the first quarter. Matter of fact, it was so bad that his backup was warming up to go in on the next series. With a brace, a shot and a little rest, he decided to try it and you see the results.
Congratualtions to all the Big Guys who continue to labor in obscurity!

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Julius Peppers... there's no Julius Peterson in the league.

Glad to see Stinchy play well... he had a horrible game last week. He's always handled Peppers pretty well.

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He played well.

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Jahri Evans got my game ball. Really the entire O line deserves it.

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minus Jeff Faine. He blew some key blocks.

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I actually saw him block his man into making a tackle. Would have been better if he would have let him go.

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It's amazing how one can look at a certain area on the line all game long and be completely oblivious to Nesbit's blocking.

Clear agenda... typical. No more words need to be wasted.

:phat:

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And he made some too.

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See I am glad someone else is seeing what I have been seeing. Did you see the one where he had his choice of 3 DB's and some how he managed to go right between them as they stood there waiting for the RB to come to them to be tackled. AMAZING they give this guy uniform.

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I saw that play and the blocking the man into a tackle. Not to mention another screen pass that he blew. While not all of the game was this horrible he is far from consistent, and his bads are far more damaging than his goods are in helping.

I have been critical of the offensive line as well so far this season. I think Goodwin performed better than Faine, his bad plays are far better than Faine's, and I never once saw him go between DB's or LB's allowing them to make a tackle as I have seen Faine do at least three times a game.

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OMG... FINALLY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT - THANK YOU! I TOTALLY AGREE 100 perect.
WHODAT - YOU RULE.

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I did not know that...you're well informed.

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So if you agree with him 100%, are you retracting that you think he's completely useless, horrible, and does not deserve to even be wearing a uniform? Because that's what you said... not what he said.

Cause from what I've read, WhoDatQB is saying Faine does do some good things but he's very inconsistent. His good does not outweigh the bad and Goodwin might be the better option.

Ooops I did it again.

If Goodwin gets another shot and proves to be consistent, I would not oppose to changing centers. Hopefully Faine will pick up his game and we'll continue to rack up more wins.

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Forgive me for sounding like Madden again, but...

Better playcalling, keeping the defense on their toes and unable to predict what the offense is going to do, will make an offensive lineman's job much, MUCH easier.

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I agree that Goodwin is a better option. I agree on the HORRIBLE play of Faine and pointed out the same mis-cues. Not only those but there were a few others as well. There was no outstanding plays that I can find that would outweigh the bad plays.

What I read out of Whodats post is that the other plays were not as horrible as those that were mentioned but didn't say they were any good either. I looked at the game again and can't point to anything that stood out as good. Hiding behind the guards as they were pass blocking isn't blocking either! When you are taught to block the inside rush first and then look to the outside and he didn't do that.

So Yes I can agree with Whodat. If I was to retract anything I'd retract the consistancy part... Faine plays very consistant, consistantly BAD.

If he doesn't something good I'll point it out just like I have done Brown in past weeks and Stinchcomb this week. OUTSTANDING game. Faine hasn't shown me anything.

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When you have an offensive line who can dominate a top D linemen makes the rest of the offense a lot better. I don't care who you have at other positions if your line blocks your offense will look great. If they don't then Brees, bush and whomever on Offense will look like retards.

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Oh joy, joy, joy. We're back to Faine bashing. I thought we were through with that weeks ago but I see we're not. Is there anything I can do to plead enough to not have to hear that on a daily basis? Please,please,please don't go back into that again.

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LOL that dog is dead. he has been run over way to many time here. they are mistaken involuntary muscle twitches for signs of life I guess.
You can not beat anyone up for yesterdays game. they were pretty much solid throughout. major reduction in mental errors.

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OK, well I think I should explain what I was saying. Faine is horrible and is a well below average center. He does not always miss assignments, but when he does pick them up he gets smacked around. He does actually block sometimes, and every once in awhile does a decent job.

However, I am sorry, but I doubt there are more than two other teams in the league that Faine would start for. I do not think he is a waste of a jersey, he is better than I am at playing center, but he is a waste of a STARTING JERSEY. A starter should not allow his guards to do all the work, miss blocking players that he outweighs by 50 pounds or more by flat out missing them or falling down or allowing himself to be driven into the ball carrier. He hasn't done these things just once or twice this year. He does all of them once or twice a game.

While Albert Haynesworth is a great DT, as a STARTER in the NFL you should not get beaten by your man EVERY time like he did. Not only did Haynesworth beat him every time, but so did Brown and Starks. I just finished watching this game for a third time, FAINE would have been better served sticking a chair in his place and standing on the sideline in this game.

Not sure if this helps, I am not trying to jump in the middle of whatever you two have, but I think that Euphoria gets a bad rap sometimes. Euphoria will allow himself(like me) to see the bad in a team he loves, and hopes during the offseason that they address some of these shortcomings. Some fans see a win and say yep, we are gonna smack the Bucs around. Nope, if Garcia is in we will not smack them around, we can definately win and I think we will, but who knows which Saints team shows up.

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Faine bashing? Well I think it is more like pointing out the obvious. If you are looking for why the Saints are so inconsistent it can be found in the offensive line. When they play well then Drew plays well and then the D isn't on the field and we have a great shot to win.

If you go through and watch the games, whether or not the Saints won, watch Faine. Watch him hide behind his guards, or how his guards are always pushing to his side to help out, or him missing blocks, or falling down constantly, or getting pushed into the ball carrier by some one or tentativeness in blocking a DB or LB down field.

If you really sit down and watch you will see Faine is not deserving of starting for but maybe two or so teams in this league, he is a back-up and Goodwin never made nearly as many bad plays as Faine.

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Thanks WHODAT.

Its not negative to point out the obvious. Its well pointing out the obvious. So I am not so negative then... interesting.

I think people want to force there opinion on you and if your opinion isn't there and they have nothing to back theres up they want to call you negative and other names. They fail to see the positive stuff I point out on the negative... hmmm, is that the pot calling the kettle black.

by the way I like the movie BOONDOCK SAINTS.

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Best non advertised film that many have never heard of in the world.

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You just became my new best friend.

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My life is now complete. LOL

My problem with some fans is that it is truly short for fanatic.

"a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion or politics or sports."

While I want the Saints to win and will pull for them always, I am not blinded by playing a bad team. Bad teams are bad and you are supposed to beat Carolina. We should have beaten them the first time, however we are completely inconsistent!!!!!

I hope we become more consistent, and while I will point this out time and again some will choose to ignore all of it. Maybe even the coaches and if we do not upgrade at Center, possibly guard and tackle. However our tackles have been playing very well as of late, Nesbit and Evans have done well too.

I believe that Peyton is not just calling passes because he is silly as doesn't want to run, I believe our line is not set-up very well for run blocking and are much more suited to pass blocking. When your line is inconsistent you have to do what they do best, and pass blocking is what our line does best. Run blocking can be OK when you have Reggie the decoy and pass catcher along with Deuce who makes your line look better than they are.

After reviewing game tape after game tape I see our guys in the trenches perform much more consistently in the passing game rather than the running game. We are not horrible at run blocking but we are better as pass blocking, expect to continue to see more passing, the short passing game will stay our running game as without Deuce our O line looks poor in run blocking without a great patient runner.

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Well with all the attention given here about Faine, I took the effort to watch him almost the complete game sunday. I did see him make some very good plays and he did miss some too. In the words of another poster on this site, you play your best player at that position. Well this must be true because he's still playing. No, maybe he's not playing at an all-pro level but there are worse centers out there. Besides, if you ever played center,which I have and hated every minute of it, it's the worse position on the field. You are double teamed almost every play. It sux to be a center.

Any way, I have a great idea, let's agree to disagree and leave this subject alone unless it's constructive criticism. I know this will never happen but it's worth a try. I know there are members that are tired of hearing how terrible Faine and David are. OK so they are terrible, they're the best we have I guess.

And by the way, this was supposed to be a thread about Stinchcomb, well I have to say he played a very good game against Julius Peppers Sunday. I'm still trying to find out who Julius Peterson is. Any help would be appreciated.

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It should be noted that no team has passed as many times as the Saints and we have given up only 8 sacks thru 11 games. 8 sacks I'm sure Brees is happy with the play of Faine. I would think Brees or the offensive line coach would have some serious problems putting Faine back in as a starter if he blew every blocking assignment and tackled our rb every play. I would like to apologize for not knowing the blocking assignment on every play the Saints run but I just wonder how some of ya'll fans do. How can you watch the game and know the blocking responsibilities of the o-line? Do you watch every play and rewind it 5 times looking at every lineman?
Okay here is my biggest problem with the Faine bashing. The wonderful screen pass. Our big slow o-linemen allow the d-line to rush the passer then they get out in space and try to block a cb or safety. I dont want the value of a o-linemen to depend on if he can block a cb. I think the advantage in space goes to the smaller quicker player I dont think he is avoiding contact. Most screen plays run by this team and all other teams involve a couple big slow guys running around trying to block small quick players which I dont think is the main attribute of the position. Is this how it would read from Mel Kiper "Really an undersized center cant run or pass block but he is great on the screen passes. Should get drafted in the top ten."
I think sacks are an important stat to keep up with as far as the health of qb and limiting negative plays for the offense. I'm not to sure how one o-linemen will get the credit for limiting sacks unless he blocks 2 guys at a time. It seems like you would have to say the o-line played great not allowing any sacks. This is a team game and one great player on the o-line cannot carry the rest of the unit. Say we have a great RT why wouldnt the other team rush through the LT. This entire o-line played a good game and if you want to slow-mo and look for a couple bad plays I'm sure other players will be on your list for needing to be upgraded.
With this o-line we went 10-6 last year if we dont want to give them any credit for that they deserve no blame for being 5-6 (2nd in the division and only 1 game back after Sunday). Lets see we are ranked 4th in passing yards we must have gotten most of that when Faine was injured. Not to sure but I think we are 12th in total offense. We have the 2nd fewest penalties on offense. This is a good offense and they are good at what they do. We have a smart accurate qb and we will go as far as Brees takes us which was the division championship game last year.

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The o-line is playing now, like people thought they would at the beginning of the season.

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Its really funny to me that people want to stop bashing Faine and in the same breath bash Mare, Jason David, Aaron Brooks. Those players are ok to bash but lord don't bash Jeff Faine. Its not bashing its pointing out a player who isn't doing his job... like Mare, Jason David ect ect.

When Faine has a good game I'll say it. But right now he's the worse player on that line and so far his back up has played better when he's in period. 1 plus 1 eqauls 2.

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Yes, If I have to to see whats going on read the play and see who is suppose to be doing what. Its pretty obvious when your center is running out wide as a lead blocking on a sweep or screen play and doesn't hit someone. He wouldn't be doing that if his assignment wasn't to block someone - anyone out there. Why would he be out there at all unless he was trying to find gatorade on the sideline or his moma to take him away from the linemen who are trying to run past him to get to his QB/RBs. If you study the game and the plays you'll be more in tuned to whats going on and may see a bigger picture to whats going right and going wrong.

What??? its about match ups! You create mis-matches to get advantages. Yes give me a big linemen to block a little CB - KNOCK HIS ASS IN THE DIRT... advantage 300 pound guy. Hell you don't really have to him hit does he??? no all he really has to do is force the CB to run around him it'll slow him down and let our rb take the other side...free. Advantage Lineman. You try and swing Bush out and see who covers him... You see a LB on him guess what you are going to bush with the ball on a deep route and let bush outrun him. advantage - MISS MATCH.


We can be better and need to get better. I am sorry not going to settle beating up on teams that are hurt and then turn around and get turkey based by good teams. If we are a supposedly good team then we need to beat good teams.

Each player is graded and evaluated. Faine is being called out because he makes MANY mistakes. He is getting by becuase the others play well but when they need some help he isn't there. I totally give lots of credit to Bree's game for our offense looking so good in the passing game, he's quick release gets rid of the ball fast, short drop backs. He doesn't take the long drop backs very much. Its not just sacks you need to worry about its the rushes and hits he takes as well that really aren't recorded so much as stats. That will mess with him mentally.

Stats are for girls. You can make stats read anything you want them to. You might look at Brees INTS and think damn he sucks this year he's lost it but you don't See the stat that says this INT was because the WR/TE didn't catch the ball and bounce out of his hands into the defenders hands. You don't see the stat where a 300 pounder DT hanging on the end of his arm as he throws the INT. You seriously have to study the game to get an idea of whats really going on and wrong with FAINE.

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OK, your wish is granted. I won't bash Jeff Faine.

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1 Haven't heard anyone bashing him lately. (Mare)

2. Your opinion,which we've all known for quite a while now. (Faine)

3. Oh my God, Brooks doesn't even play the game anymore, so who cares?

You're stirring again! Please stop it.

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http://blackandgold.com/forums/ultim...-own-risk.html

Right, you're not negative... you just point out the obvious. I hope you're not implying I force my opinion on you... didn't you say earlier somewhere I never have anything insightful to say? So what is it? Make up your mind. It's obvious you can't debate with me w/o feeling backed in the corner and whining all the time... maybe I should leave you alone. I can tell you have trouble handling it.

And I'm glad you clarified yourself WhoDatQB, because that first post of yours was not the same as the second. I'm glad someone agrees with Euph on Faine being completely useless.

Oh please don't say that. No one is that stupid to not see the bad in our team. Now look at the way you go out stating your opinion compared to his. There lies the problem.

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Yes, I've watched him and I don't think he's as bad as you and Euph make him out to be. Maybe I can understand you're talking about him once in a while but with Euph it's just pure and simple haterd of the man. He's shown that to many times. He also uses it to start trouble with other members.
What ya'll seem to forget is as a moderator I have to read EVERY post on here. I see what he's doing even though he tries to hide it in his words. I see what he's doing and don't really like it much. His day will come and soon. I'm just tired of it all.

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I ask you... what is this post all about? Expalin this to me. A thread going good. I pointed out an outstanding game a linemen had against a pretty reputable Defensive lineman. I gave my opinion from what I saw and I got facts to back it up. This is the crap I get. I have nothing against Nesbit he didn't stick out to me this game not to say he did anything wrong either. I get called for having an agend??? Please tell me what agenda I have against Nesbit. I don't recall ever really talking about him specifically. This post is the one that made this go personal.

When someone starts name calling and hitting below the belt I get blamed for it??? BS.

I discuss the games, players, and plays. I don't sit here and single any member out nor start talking bad about them. Someone may want to do some investigating. If I talk bad about a player and back it up. I think I have that right as a fan. Anyone who doesn't want to read it then don't. There is a lot of threads here I don't read because I don't care about. If I have nothing more to say on a subject... I won't say anything.

I have no agenda. As soon as I see someone standing up and playing football, I'll be the first to point it out. I think you sir is the one with the agenda. What still mad I stuck up for JD last week and this week he comes out and has a great game. So you're mad and want to stirr trouble up with me any where you can.

Stinchcomb made some good blocks and kept his a damn good linemen from making any tackles. Thats impressive! Jeff Faine did nothing to stand out. Never said Jeff Faine didn't make any blocks but he didn't make any key blocks and had several missed key blocks causing plays to get blown up. He was the worse OL out there this past week if that is bad or good you decide. But I know what I saw and someone else even piggy backing on to what I have pointed out.

What arrogance.

Why don't yall stop acting like little girls in a cat fight, stop bashing a member and bring some insight to a discussion. If you saw something different -Hey glad to hear is say it but I don't see where either of you are doing that. What play??? I'll go look at the tape to see what you are talking about. But to sit here and make a thread out about me is just losing track of what this thread is ment to be about and that is my friends - JON STINCHCOMB.

GREAT JOB - JON STINCHCOMB!!! for shutting down Julius Peppers.

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Ok boys, this is it. Last chance to stop. If it doesn't stop the thread will be locked. Act like grown ups please.

"Anyone who doesn't want to read it then don't." Euph said.
Well I don't have that option, as I said as a moderator I have to read all of them.

I can't tell ya'll how sick this is making me. I'm about to put a stop to all of it. And right now I really don't care who's fault it is.

Again this is the last warning.

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Everyone has options in life. I mean you can be a member of the site. You can be a mod or not. Its all about choices, my man. Its all good though I do appreciate you being a mod, someone should do it.

Next time when someone starts to make something personal out of a thread I'll point it out to you so you can deal with it.

I do want to clarify one thing though. When someone starts bull here the thread gets moved to smack or is the policy to just lock it?