Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson
 

And how long did it take AP to adjust and break the NFL single-game rushing record? I was happy for a time about getting to draft Reggie, but now I see how blinded even *I* was by the almighty ESPN hype-machine. Bush is a bust (as far as RB is concerned). He can't even catch lately, so I wouldn't even consider him a "great" passing threat either.

Thanks again almighty ESPN hype machine, for draining the meaning and INTEGRITY straight out of professional sports (and slowly but surely college athletics as well).

4 million dollars per year for a college head coach. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? No WONDER I can't even afford an education anymore!

Fed up in Louisiana (with big name sports),

willmac

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I think Adrian Peterson is what we all thought Reggie was going to be. Am I wrong ???

Has Reggie lost his confidence.

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once again you have to compare the OL. The vikings had a good OL for running before AP was drafted. Now as far as pass protection goes they leave alot to be desired. We are close, I tell you, to having an OL that can do both. one maybe two pieces away from it. The combination of Brown and Evans could be just as good as Hutchinson and McKinnie are for the Vikings.

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I want Faneca on this team so bad.

I'm terrible when it comes to evaluating offensive linemen, mainly because I follow the ball, but I'd love to hear you guys' thoughts on Strief as a LT. He always seemed to be solid at worst. I feel like Brown and Evans on the right would be fomidable, and if you put Faneca on at LG with whoever at LT, you should be able to run the dang ball.

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This is kinda unfair to Reggie. Vikings OL is way better than ours. They make better lanes for Adrian Peterson to run through. If Reggie had those kind of running lanes he would be breaking records.

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They are completely different runners. Reggie is not a power back and never will be, but he is extremely elusive in the open field and needs a big back in with him like we used last year with Deuce. He is an excellent decoy IF there is another threat in there. which we don't have this year after Duec's injury.

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Reggie is not built like AP. You won’t get a power game out of him so therefore there is no comparison. AP has power and speed Reggie is pure speed. Which this year with Deuce going down he tried but it was less to be desired and I hate to change the thread but what I do expect is for Reggie to be used properly because when we lost Deuce we should have gotten a power back or used P.Thomas more (Stecker in my opinion is a slower Bush) and we would have seen Bush true game.

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I'll say it again, reggie isn't being used right. He did great with Deuce in the backfield with him because there was another threat back there. Reggie performs better in a 2 back back field. Put Pierre and Reggie in the backfield at the same time you have the same concept. Who are you going to watch? There would be so many things you could do with that.

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Are you people telling me that if Adrian Peterson and Reggie Bush swap teams RIGHT now, that Reggie will turn into AP, and AP will turn into Reggie and start running out of bounds? Do you see Westbrook struggling to cope? Maurice Jones-Drew? Pierre Thomas?

Are you telling me that it's Karney's fault he's not doing his job as a fullback?

Or maybe is Reggie psyching his OWN self out? There's lanes to run through, you've just got to be man enough to hit the holes instead of sweating bullets trying to completely dodge any type of contact whatsoever. I seriously think there is something wrong with Reggie in the head. He's not playin w/ a full sack of marbles.

And all this stuff about drafting him to be this or that. He was a RUNNING BACK. WAS HE NOT? He won the HEISMAN, did he not? He had a wonderous 10 yard per carry average and a touchdown every 10 touches, did he not?? And now he can't gain 2 yards without fumbling.

Yeah he has to "learn" to be a running back. That's absurd, he's a professional getting paid millions and millions of dollars, and he can't learn what he's being doing all his life - and 2 years at the NFL level. I'm tired of wasting precious GAMES on this kid's back. Inept. Maybe it's just a mixture of Payton's blissful ignorance in scheming and gameplanning, AND the lack of manhood on Bush's part.

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The main thing that is disturbing about Reggie is he looks worn out. I agree that he also needs to be coached better as a RB. Hopefully next year he can return to the roll he had in 2006. The Saints really need to get another RB to compliment him, one who can get those 4 yard runs consistently, and a RB who can stand up to the pounding of a 25-30 carry type of game.

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I think the OL's of each team are completely different.
Our OL is built for quick passing and that's about it.
Theirs is built for running attack.

That said, there is a difference between Bush and AP.
But.... who in the NFL has come close to playing at AP's level this season?
He's a manchild!

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I was going to reply to this post, but the last sentence there, not B&G material.

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I think you and I believe it was Hagan who said that our line was built for the passing game. If I had to guess watching Payton call plays and coach that must be it. He's big time into the passing game. He uses the run just to try to keep a defense honest. Trouble is, if you can't run the ball your whole plan is nill. It won't work.

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One problem with that Joe.....it just makes to much sense!!!

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This is pretty funny, My last name is Hagen.

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Well welcome aboard. We have a moderator named Hagen. Every now and then he says something that makes sense.:phat:



"One problem with that Joe.....it just makes to much sense!!!"Said Fireventuri

See every now and theen I even say something that makes sense.

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oh god we have an impostor. but great minds think alike.

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Offensive Schemes have a lot to do with it. Sean Payton abandoned focus on an adequate running game for half of his tenure as a head coach.

According to Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com):

Minnesota has rushed 377 times for 2,122 yards and 17 Touchdowns
Minnesota has attempted to pass 306 times for 2,131 yards and 8 Touchdowns

New Orleans has rushed 292 times for 1,032 yards and 10 Touchdowns
New Orleans has attempted to pass 479 times for 3,176 yards, and 20 Touchdowns


It's two totally different offenses. Plus, When Adrian Peterson was out, Chester Taylor continued the dominance at Running Back. It's not like Adrian Peterson was making their running game a success, he was just making it more of one.

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I so sick and tired of people downing Reggie Bush, this team has had tons of talent on this team, and just can't win. When Reggie got drafted to New Orleans Saints, I felt sorry for him, because all I knew all that he was going to have was bad luck. And you Saints fans know it true, after 40 years of losing, what is this saying? I want the Saints to win just like the rest of you fans, but for some reason they can't. As for as Manhood, did Arching Manning have manhood? Did Pat Swilling have manhood? Did Bobby Hebert have manhood? Who talks about Reggie Bush like a dog, but was second rate quarterback, who couldn't get the job done. I said that the Fleur de lis was cursing the Saints because it was used for branding black people in slavery, the fans so that's not the problem. Than what is it after 40 years of losing, why can't we win at home in the dome? Fumbling big plays is the norm for the Saints, it didn't start with Reggie Bush. The Saints could have a big lead and just lose the game in the last seconds, you fans should know the script by now. Why is it that win player leave the Saints they play better football for other teams? If some of you fans can answer this question, will you please tell me why? My self personally, the name Saints need to go and the Fleur de lis.

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Have you ever been sold a lemon by a used car salesman? The Saints have.

Of course nobody could really have predicted how ineffective Reggie would be.

And let me say this, to Archie Manning and Pat Swilling, Reggie's name has no place until he shows me something serious. He's the Floyd Mayweather of football. : D

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To the comment WillMcKenzie made.

I think PT is good, but take away that one, touchdown run and he has a 3.0 yrds/carry average.

I think Reggie has done mostly what the coaches expect out of him. It's the media and the fans who have over-hyped him.

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Archie Manning and Pat Swilling couldn't win in New Orleans, no player who's played here ever won, 40 year history of losing. If you call Reggie a lemon, than we have a 40 year history of buying lemon. I see you people jump around the Fleur de lis issue, why would a team put this symbol on a team, than call them Saints?

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New Orleans Saints History officially began on November 1-- All Saints Day-- in 1966.
Not a hard leap of faith to connect religion to anything in the big easy.

Fleur de lis simple put is the symbol of New Orleans. Always has been and all ways will be.

It is an enduring symbol of , but, being regarded most notably as the emblem of the monarchy, was not adopted officially by any of the . On the contrary as Spain is a constitutional monarchy, lis symbol is associated with the Spanish King Juan Carlos I (of French origin dinasty) and to the Kingdom of Spain. In , the fleur-de-lis is often associated with areas formerly settled by France, such as and and with the in other Canadian provinces.

Nobody is avoiding the issue. But if you are going to go in the direction I think you are going to go. I strongly urge you to go to the ultimate smack down section of B&G. You are not the first to bring this topic up. That is were it belongs. You will get plenty response there.

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Co-sign. At the end of the day, it's about winning. Reggie Bush has had us closer to the Superbowl than we've EVER been (of course, not by himself). Adrian Petterson and Maurice Jones-Drew can't say that yet. True, this season's been pretty bad. And Bush has cost us at least 2 games with his fumbles (but again, not by himself). But the season's not over. The playoffs are not impossible. Bush hasn't had a horrible season. He had 97 against Seattle. Now, the milestone is 100, not 97, but the potential is still there. Anybody who wants to question his toughness and desire to win needs to watch that highlight of the 1st Atlanta game again, where he fought two defenders for the touchdown.
We have the best team we've ever had. Now is not the time to start jumping ship and throwing players under the bus. Look how well that worked for Cinny.

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What he said!

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AP=Bo. I'd been telling my son about Bo for years, and finally have someone to use as an example.

No shame in Matrix turning out to be a Westbrook, as I envisioned him during the draft. I was never sold on that "Once a lifetime" jazz in the press. Barry? Dickerson? Emmit? Payton? Campbell? Faulk? Come on, now.....:rolleyes:

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Man you guys are quick to jump off the bandwagon. JOESAM2002 is it OK if I call them fair weather fans. ESPN hype? gimme a break. He was great at SC with or without ESPN. He's struggling this year so we throw him off the boat. Come on guys!!

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Hey, if they'd use him right you never know what he could do. Last year was close but there are still more ways to use Reggie that would make him a better player and us a better team. Reggie will never be a one back player, he has to have someone back there to make him more dangerous. They haven't done that since Deuce got hurt. If they had pulled Branch up back then we might have a better record right now. But what do i know, I've only been watching them for 40 years . This IS the best team the Saints have ever had, sure we need some defensive help but on the offensive side it's the best bunch I've ever seen them have.