Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson

WillMacKenzie · 12-05-2007, 09:28 PM

And how long did it take AP to adjust and break the NFL single-game rushing record? I was happy for a time about getting to draft Reggie, but now I see how blinded even *I* was by the almighty ESPN hype-machine. Bush is a bust (as far as RB is concerned). He can't even catch lately, so I wouldn't even consider him a "great" passing threat either.

Thanks again almighty ESPN hype machine, for draining the meaning and INTEGRITY straight out of professional sports (and slowly but surely college athletics as well).

4 million dollars per year for a college head coach. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? No WONDER I can't even afford an education anymore!

Fed up in Louisiana (with big name sports),

willmac

QBREES9 · 12-05-2007, 10:17 PM

I think Adrian Peterson is what we all thought Reggie was going to be. Am I wrong ???

Has Reggie lost his confidence.

hagan714 · 12-06-2007, 06:16 AM

once again you have to compare the OL. The vikings had a good OL for running before AP was drafted. Now as far as pass protection goes they leave alot to be desired. We are close, I tell you, to having an OL that can do both. one maybe two pieces away from it. The combination of Brown and Evans could be just as good as Hutchinson and McKinnie are for the Vikings.

WhoDat205 · 12-06-2007, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

once again you have to compare the OL. The vikings had a good OL for running before AP was drafted. Now as far as pass protection goes they leave alot to be desired. We are close, I tell you, to having an OL that can do both. one maybe two pieces away from it. The combination of Brown and Evans could be just as good as Hutchinson and McKinnie are for the Vikings.

I want Faneca on this team so bad.

I'm terrible when it comes to evaluating offensive linemen, mainly because I follow the ball, but I'd love to hear you guys' thoughts on Strief as a LT. He always seemed to be solid at worst. I feel like Brown and Evans on the right would be fomidable, and if you put Faneca on at LG with whoever at LT, you should be able to run the dang ball.

Donuts32 · 12-06-2007, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

And how long did it take AP to adjust and break the NFL single-game rushing record? I was happy for a time about getting to draft Reggie, but now I see how blinded even *I* was by the almighty ESPN hype-machine. Bush is a bust (as far as RB is concerned). He can't even catch lately, so I wouldn't even consider him a "great" passing threat either.

Thanks again almighty ESPN hype machine, for draining the meaning and INTEGRITY straight out of professional sports (and slowly but surely college athletics as well).

4 million dollars per year for a college head coach. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? No WONDER I can't even afford an education anymore!

Fed up in Louisiana (with big name sports),

willmac

This is kinda unfair to Reggie. Vikings OL is way better than ours. They make better lanes for Adrian Peterson to run through. If Reggie had those kind of running lanes he would be breaking records.

choupique01 · 12-06-2007, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Donuts32

This is kinda unfair to Reggie. Vikings OL is way better than ours. They make better lanes for Adrian Peterson to run through. If Reggie had those kind of running lanes he would be breaking records.

They are completely different runners. Reggie is not a power back and never will be, but he is extremely elusive in the open field and needs a big back in with him like we used last year with Deuce. He is an excellent decoy IF there is another threat in there. which we don't have this year after Duec's injury.

Tobias-Reiper · 12-06-2007, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

I think Adrian Peterson is what we all thought Reggie was going to be. Am I wrong ???

Has Reggie lost his confidence.

Actually, Adrian Peterson is nothing like what we expected Reggie to be.

Allow me to explain.

I admit it. I got caught up in the Reggie Bush hype. We all saw the highlight reels of Reggie doing things at USC that defied the laws of physics. And, honestly, as Saints fans after the 2005 season, we needed that hype, that promise of a new Gayle Sayers, the hope of a franchise savior.

And Reggie can still defy the laws of physics. Unfortunately for Reggie, there are 2 factors that are working against him right now:
1.- there are many NFL's that can also defy the laws of physics, and know how to play their positions
2.- ..and I've been saying this since the Falcons game last year: because Reggie is such a great pure athlete, he was never coached to be a RB. And your last name doesn't have to be Walsh or Shula to realize this by looking at the highlight reels: since HS, he's been handed the ball and been expected to do something amazing on the field. And he delivered through college, until he got into the NFL, and as pointed out in #1 above, the athletes are not only as good as him, but know how to play their positions many times better than the Standord sophmores who routinely lost their jockstraps trying to tackle Bush

And at this point, I don't know if the Saints coaching staff is attempting to coach Reggie and he's not getting it, or if the coaching staff is still expecting to give him the ball and he do something amazing every time, but something is amiss.

On the other hand, Adrian Peterson, while an outstanding pure athlete himself, he's been coached to be a RB. Again, you need not be an NFL HC to see the way AP uses his blockers. On the other hand, when you look at Reggie at USC or HS, you never saw him utilize his blockers, just pure moves left and right to leave inferior athletes wondering what happened.

Also, AP's N-S style of running is a betterimmediatefit for the NFL. not to mention he's got the size and power not to be armed tackled and the speed to hit holes when they open and pull away from defenders.

One more thing that helps AP: the Vikings have no passing game. Everyone is in the box trying to stop Peterson. If he happens to break 5 yards past the line, there's no one in front of him to even slow him down, and even if a SS or FS is there, they just don't have the strength to bring Peterson down.

BIGEASY504 · 12-06-2007, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

I think Adrian Peterson is what we all thought Reggie was going to be. Am I wrong ???

Has Reggie lost his confidence.

Reggie is not built like AP. You won’t get a power game out of him so therefore there is no comparison. AP has power and speed Reggie is pure speed. Which this year with Deuce going down he tried but it was less to be desired and I hate to change the thread but what I do expect is for Reggie to be used properly because when we lost Deuce we should have gotten a power back or used P.Thomas more (Stecker in my opinion is a slower Bush) and we would have seen Bush true game.

JOESAM2002 · 12-06-2007, 02:55 PM

I'll say it again, reggie isn't being used right. He did great with Deuce in the backfield with him because there was another threat back there. Reggie performs better in a 2 back back field. Put Pierre and Reggie in the backfield at the same time you have the same concept. Who are you going to watch? There would be so many things you could do with that.

WillMacKenzie · 12-06-2007, 04:50 PM

Are you people telling me that if Adrian Peterson and Reggie Bush swap teams RIGHT now, that Reggie will turn into AP, and AP will turn into Reggie and start running out of bounds? Do you see Westbrook struggling to cope? Maurice Jones-Drew? Pierre Thomas?

Are you telling me that it's Karney's fault he's not doing his job as a fullback?

Or maybe is Reggie psyching his OWN self out? There's lanes to run through, you've just got to be man enough to hit the holes instead of sweating bullets trying to completely dodge any type of contact whatsoever. I seriously think there is something wrong with Reggie in the head. He's not playin w/ a full sack of marbles.

And all this stuff about drafting him to be this or that. He was a RUNNING BACK. WAS HE NOT? He won the HEISMAN, did he not? He had a wonderous 10 yard per carry average and a touchdown every 10 touches, did he not?? And now he can't gain 2 yards without fumbling.

Yeah he has to "learn" to be a running back. That's absurd, he's a professional getting paid millions and millions of dollars, and he can't learn what he's being doing all his life - and 2 years at the NFL level. I'm tired of wasting precious GAMES on this kid's back. Inept. Maybe it's just a mixture of Payton's blissful ignorance in scheming and gameplanning, AND the lack of manhood on Bush's part.

12-05-2007, 10:17 PM	#2
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson I think Adrian Peterson is what we all thought Reggie was going to be. Am I wrong ??? Has Reggie lost his confidence.

12-06-2007, 06:16 AM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson once again you have to compare the OL. The vikings had a good OL for running before AP was drafted. Now as far as pass protection goes they leave alot to be desired. We are close, I tell you, to having an OL that can do both. one maybe two pieces away from it. The combination of Brown and Evans could be just as good as Hutchinson and McKinnie are for the Vikings.
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12-06-2007, 09:37 AM	#4
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Originally Posted by hagan714 once again you have to compare the OL. The vikings had a good OL for running before AP was drafted. Now as far as pass protection goes they leave alot to be desired. We are close, I tell you, to having an OL that can do both. one maybe two pieces away from it. The combination of Brown and Evans could be just as good as Hutchinson and McKinnie are for the Vikings. I want Faneca on this team so bad. I'm terrible when it comes to evaluating offensive linemen, mainly because I follow the ball, but I'd love to hear you guys' thoughts on Strief as a LT. He always seemed to be solid at worst. I feel like Brown and Evans on the right would be fomidable, and if you put Faneca on at LG with whoever at LT, you should be able to run the dang ball.

12-06-2007, 11:04 AM	#5
Donuts32 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Orleans,La Posts: 306	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie And how long did it take AP to adjust and break the NFL single-game rushing record? I was happy for a time about getting to draft Reggie, but now I see how blinded even I was by the almighty ESPN hype-machine. Bush is a bust (as far as RB is concerned). He can't even catch lately, so I wouldn't even consider him a "great" passing threat either. Thanks again almighty ESPN hype machine, for draining the meaning and INTEGRITY straight out of professional sports (and slowly but surely college athletics as well). 4 million dollars per year for a college head coach. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? No WONDER I can't even afford an education anymore! Fed up in Louisiana (with big name sports), willmac This is kinda unfair to Reggie. Vikings OL is way better than ours. They make better lanes for Adrian Peterson to run through. If Reggie had those kind of running lanes he would be breaking records.

12-06-2007, 11:27 AM	#6
choupique01 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Originally Posted by Donuts32 This is kinda unfair to Reggie. Vikings OL is way better than ours. They make better lanes for Adrian Peterson to run through. If Reggie had those kind of running lanes he would be breaking records. They are completely different runners. Reggie is not a power back and never will be, but he is extremely elusive in the open field and needs a big back in with him like we used last year with Deuce. He is an excellent decoy IF there is another threat in there. which we don't have this year after Duec's injury.
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12-05-2007, 09:28 PM	#1
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson And how long did it take AP to adjust and break the NFL single-game rushing record? I was happy for a time about getting to draft Reggie, but now I see how blinded even I was by the almighty ESPN hype-machine. Bush is a bust (as far as RB is concerned). He can't even catch lately, so I wouldn't even consider him a "great" passing threat either. Thanks again almighty ESPN hype machine, for draining the meaning and INTEGRITY straight out of professional sports (and slowly but surely college athletics as well). 4 million dollars per year for a college head coach. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? No WONDER I can't even afford an education anymore! Fed up in Louisiana (with big name sports), willmac

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Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Originally Posted by QBREES9 I think Adrian Peterson is what we all thought Reggie was going to be. Am I wrong ??? Has Reggie lost his confidence. Actually, Adrian Peterson is nothing like what we expected Reggie to be. Allow me to explain. I admit it. I got caught up in the Reggie Bush hype. We all saw the highlight reels of Reggie doing things at USC that defied the laws of physics. And, honestly, as Saints fans after the 2005 season, we needed that hype, that promise of a new Gayle Sayers, the hope of a franchise savior. And Reggie can still defy the laws of physics. Unfortunately for Reggie, there are 2 factors that are working against him right now: 1.- there are many NFL's that can also defy the laws of physics, and know how to play their positions 2.- ..and I've been saying this since the Falcons game last year: because Reggie is such a great pure athlete, he was never coached to be a RB. And your last name doesn't have to be Walsh or Shula to realize this by looking at the highlight reels: since HS, he's been handed the ball and been expected to do something amazing on the field. And he delivered through college, until he got into the NFL, and as pointed out in #1 above, the athletes are not only as good as him, but know how to play their positions many times better than the Standord sophmores who routinely lost their jockstraps trying to tackle Bush And at this point, I don't know if the Saints coaching staff is attempting to coach Reggie and he's not getting it, or if the coaching staff is still expecting to give him the ball and he do something amazing every time, but something is amiss. On the other hand, Adrian Peterson, while an outstanding pure athlete himself, he's been coached to be a RB. Again, you need not be an NFL HC to see the way AP uses his blockers. On the other hand, when you look at Reggie at USC or HS, you never saw him utilize his blockers, just pure moves left and right to leave inferior athletes wondering what happened. Also, AP's N-S style of running is a betterimmediatefit for the NFL. not to mention he's got the size and power not to be armed tackled and the speed to hit holes when they open and pull away from defenders. One more thing that helps AP: the Vikings have no passing game. Everyone is in the box trying to stop Peterson. If he happens to break 5 yards past the line, there's no one in front of him to even slow him down, and even if a SS or FS is there, they just don't have the strength to bring Peterson down.
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BIGEASY504 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 487	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Originally Posted by QBREES9 I think Adrian Peterson is what we all thought Reggie was going to be. Am I wrong ??? Has Reggie lost his confidence. Reggie is not built like AP. You won’t get a power game out of him so therefore there is no comparison. AP has power and speed Reggie is pure speed. Which this year with Deuce going down he tried but it was less to be desired and I hate to change the thread but what I do expect is for Reggie to be used properly because when we lost Deuce we should have gotten a power back or used P.Thomas more (Stecker in my opinion is a slower Bush) and we would have seen Bush true game.
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12-06-2007, 02:55 PM	#9
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson I'll say it again, reggie isn't being used right. He did great with Deuce in the backfield with him because there was another threat back there. Reggie performs better in a 2 back back field. Put Pierre and Reggie in the backfield at the same time you have the same concept. Who are you going to watch? There would be so many things you could do with that.

12-06-2007, 04:50 PM	#10
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Are you people telling me that if Adrian Peterson and Reggie Bush swap teams RIGHT now, that Reggie will turn into AP, and AP will turn into Reggie and start running out of bounds? Do you see Westbrook struggling to cope? Maurice Jones-Drew? Pierre Thomas? Are you telling me that it's Karney's fault he's not doing his job as a fullback? Or maybe is Reggie psyching his OWN self out? There's lanes to run through, you've just got to be man enough to hit the holes instead of sweating bullets trying to completely dodge any type of contact whatsoever. I seriously think there is something wrong with Reggie in the head. He's not playin w/ a full sack of marbles. And all this stuff about drafting him to be this or that. He was a RUNNING BACK. WAS HE NOT? He won the HEISMAN, did he not? He had a wonderous 10 yard per carry average and a touchdown every 10 touches, did he not?? And now he can't gain 2 yards without fumbling. Yeah he has to "learn" to be a running back. That's absurd, he's a professional getting paid millions and millions of dollars, and he can't learn what he's being doing all his life - and 2 years at the NFL level. I'm tired of wasting precious GAMES on this kid's back. Inept. Maybe it's just a mixture of Payton's blissful ignorance in scheming and gameplanning, AND the lack of manhood on Bush's part.
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