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QBREES9 12-16-2007 04:09 PM

David Did Play Well
 
Give David the credit he deserves

If everyone else is like me you were thinking all week that one of zonas recievers were going to run by Jason David all day, and it just didnt happen. Every time the guy he was covering caught the ball he was right there, no big gains that I recall and he was up in there on running plays. I though he was impressive.
Kaesviharn has also looked like the guy who should have been starting from day one. He is involved in almost every play and made a bunch of plays that I just dont see Bullocks making. We may not have looked great in the secondary over all but I think Kaesviharns play and Davids improvement should be commented on

Halo 12-16-2007 04:38 PM

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He didn't give up the big play, but he still makes me nervous...

wheelman 12-16-2007 04:47 PM

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Most of Warner's completions were thrown to David's guy...

TheDeuce 12-16-2007 05:32 PM

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Yeah he didn't give up a big play today (for the first time all year), but he still gives up a completion almost every time that the offense goes after him. He scares the crap out of me, and I just really don't understand why he's still playing.

Euphoria 12-16-2007 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 149241)
Yeah he didn't give up a big play today (for the first time all year), but he still gives up a completion almost every time that the offense goes after him. He scares the crap out of me, and I just really don't understand why he's still playing.

He's had some good games this year. Hasn't given up a big play in all of them. If you go back and actually look at the games you'll see it was the Safties they were picking on not him. Safties are to often out of place!

Tobias-Reiper 12-16-2007 06:54 PM

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3rd and 16 in the second quarter in AZ territory, anyone?

xan 12-16-2007 07:04 PM

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no passes defended. Many passes thrown his way, at least 7 receptions and one td. Can't say that's particularly good.

papz 12-16-2007 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 149246)
He's had some good games this year.

Which game?

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Hasn't given up a big play in all of them.
Just the ones he played in.

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If you go back and actually look at the games you'll see it was the Safties they were picking on not him. Safties are to often out of place!
You do need to go back and look at the games. I don't know much about football but isn't it the cornerbacks job to cover wide receivers? I may be wrong though but I think that's why they're usually lined up opposite them. Can someone confirm this observation of mines?

geauxldenhustle25 12-16-2007 07:07 PM

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his tackling has been wimpy... although his coverage... yeah he did ok

FireVenturi 12-16-2007 07:09 PM

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.............He still sucks!!!!!!

papz 12-16-2007 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by geauxldenhustle25 (Post 149260)
his tackling has been wimpy... although his coverage... yeah he did ok

I don't think I need to elaborate on this.

Tobias-Reiper 12-16-2007 09:33 PM

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3rd and 16 in AZ territory in the 2nd quarter, anyone?

Euphoria 12-16-2007 10:13 PM

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Here is what a lot of people don't see when they watch the game.

Lets take MM giving up a TD in the endzone. Who's fault? Saftey! He was suppose to help on the DEEP routes... the deep route was the one MM was covering on. Instead the safety bit on the shorter underneath route that I can't tell who it was covering that WR it appears to be craft. But the point is our safties are getting picked on bigtime. They aren't where they are suppose to be.

Ron Landry of Washington. Rookie out of LSU, whatch that guy play saftey... he is where he is suppose to be and lit up Burress on a deep route. Taunting made it all for not but that is how you play saftey. Our guys are running like chickens with there heads cut off.

I blame our D coaching first and for most for not teaching them how to play disiplined football.

Turbo Saint 12-16-2007 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 149319)
Here is what a lot of people don't see when they watch the game.

Lets take MM giving up a TD in the endzone. Who's fault? Saftey! He was suppose to help on the DEEP routes... the deep route was the one MM was covering on. Instead the safety bit on the shorter underneath route that I can't tell who it was covering that WR it appears to be craft. But the point is our safties are getting picked on bigtime. They aren't where they are suppose to be.

Ron Landry of Washington. Rookie out of LSU, whatch that guy play saftey... he is where he is suppose to be and lit up Burress on a deep route. Taunting made it all for not but that is how you play saftey. Our guys are running like chickens with there heads cut off.

I blame our D coaching first and for most for not teaching them how to play disiplined football.


agreed...LARON is awesome...harper can play like him...but i think having bullocks next to him made him kinda jittery :\

Euphoria 12-16-2007 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 149259)
Which game?



Just the ones he played in.



You do need to go back and look at the games. I don't know much about football but isn't it the cornerbacks job to cover wide receivers? I may be wrong though but I think that's why they're usually lined up opposite them. Can someone confirm this observation of mines?

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Tobias-Reiper 12-17-2007 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 149246)
If you go back and actually look at the games you'll see it was the Safties they were picking on not him. Safties are to often out of place!

Ok, Mr. Saints Game Tape Watcher Guy, please explain to us then, who or what is David supposed to be covering. Or just who are the cornerbacks supposed to cover.

And while you are at it, also explain to us how standing looking at the WR catch a 3rd and 16 pass is not giving up a big play. Oh, yeah, it’s the safeties... silly me..

papz 12-17-2007 08:41 AM

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It's the safeties job to cover the receivers.... DUH Tobias. Tape watcher guy knows his stuff.

FrenzyFan 12-17-2007 09:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 149319)
Here is what a lot of people don't see when they watch the game.

Lets take MM giving up a TD in the endzone. Who's fault? Saftey! He was suppose to help on the DEEP routes... the deep route was the one MM was covering on. Instead the safety bit on the shorter underneath route that I can't tell who it was covering that WR it appears to be craft. But the point is our safties are getting picked on bigtime. They aren't where they are suppose to be...

This post demonstrates understanding of the concept of safety help, but not very good tape evaluation. On that particular play, the offensive play call had a double in route with required the safety to cover the shorter in route, while McKenzie had to cover the deep route. This was because the defense called was "quarters". It just happened to be the right offensive call against that defense (or the wrong defensive call for that offensive play - depending on how you look at it). If the safety hadn't moved up to cover the shorter in, that's who the ball would have went to and the result would have been the same for the offense. Then we'd be complaining how the safety hadn't moved up to cover the shorter route....

andersen 12-17-2007 09:21 AM

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Everyone is forgetting that the best pass defense is a rush. We just cannot get pressure with the front four, defensive coordinator does not like to blitz/dog because of his personnel (david, bullocks), so we keep playing this zone and hoping they make a mistake. Fugita is the only LB that can get pressure when his number is called. We need to pressure McNabb next week, not let him sit back there and pat the ball.

WhoDat205 12-17-2007 10:54 AM

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David AND Bullocks have played poorly this season. Both may have played well in a game or two, but both have been liabilities.

I really like the way KK has played these last two games. He's no Ed Reed, but teams need role players, too. If we can get a really good CB in Free Agency, I really like our position going into the draft.

Euphoria 12-17-2007 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FrenzyFan (Post 149361)
This post demonstrates understanding of the concept of safety help, but not very good tape evaluation. On that particular play, the offensive play call had a double in route with required the safety to cover the shorter in route, while McKenzie had to cover the deep route. This was because the defense called was "quarters". It just happened to be the right offensive call against that defense (or the wrong defensive call for that offensive play - depending on how you look at it). If the safety hadn't moved up to cover the shorter in, that's who the ball would have went to and the result would have been the same for the offense. Then we'd be complaining how the safety hadn't moved up to cover the shorter route....

You play to much Madden... LOL! There was a man to cover the inside WR. It was man to man with a saftey to add double coverage on the deepest route. Everyone was covered but the Saftey instead of dropping back went forward to help the DB on the shorter route. Which was weak coverage is why he probably bit on it seeing it happen in front of him he just reacted instead of being disiplined staying home and taking his responsibility on he bit on a drag route which would have been picked up by a LB.

FrenzyFan 12-17-2007 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 149379)
You play to much Madden... LOL! There was a man to cover the inside WR. It was man to man with a saftey to add double coverage on the deepest route. Everyone was covered but the Saftey instead of dropping back went forward to help the DB on the shorter route. Which was weak coverage is why he probably bit on it seeing it happen in front of him he just reacted instead of being disiplined staying home and taking his responsibility on he bit on a drag route which would have been picked up by a LB.

You must not have watched the game on Fox, because the exact description I gave you above is how the analysts explained that play. I don't play Madden, though I've heard of it. It seems obvious that either you don't know much about defensive play calling and assignments, or you simply cannot admit when you are wrong when it doesn't support your erroneous argument.

WhoDatQB 12-17-2007 03:06 PM

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TWO POINTS HERE.

1. JASON DAVID SUCKS, he has played some plays well, but I cannot remember him playing well for one whole game. No one plays great for a whole game, but a starting CB should not have as many bad plays as David has this year.

2. JOSH BULLOCKS SUCKS, he has played some plays well, but I cannot remember him playing well for one whole game. No one plays great for a whole game, but a starting S should not have as many bad plays as Bullocks has this year.


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