FrenzyFan

I held off posting for a day to try to give yesterday's game time to fade from my memory, but I have to agree with this post 100%. Payton does so many things wrong, I think our players are winning games in spite of him, rather than with his assistance.

When his game plan works for a particular week, everything's OK. When his game plan isn't working, he rides that failed effort all day long - never adjusts. Our entire offense seems to be misdirection and trick plays. That helps other teams predict the potential for trick plays. No one is fooled any more. Do you notice how opposing defenses always seem to be in position to blow up our plays?

He gambles too much. I'm not saying that gambling is bad, when its used in moderation. It's like he can't turn it off. He challenges meaningless plays, seemingly without any of "our" booth review - thus wasting time outs. He tries to force plays when its obvious to everyone (including my football-clueless wife) that we need to try something different. His gambling cost us two wins this year.

He's not much good at talent evaluation. I know everyone just screamed "Colston" at the monitor, but if he thought Colston was any good - he wouldn't have waited until the seventh to pick him up. The rest of his draft (in both years) is spotty at best - Reggie not withstanding (I think he'll be a fine RB shortly). Additionally, he values work-ethic more than talent and skill on the field. He likes guys who bring their lunch pail to work and will keep them on the field seemingly just because they try hard. It doesn't matter that they're getting beat all over the place - the guy tries hard so he's a "Payton Guy" and play in spite of the fact that we can all see his backup outplaying him when they're on the field. That's very heartwarming but not much good to the team, the owners or the fans. It seems to be the same with coaches - with inferior guys running the show (though I'm not sure how much influence Payton has over the coaching staff - so I give him a pass on that one).

The players are losing (if they haven't already lost) faith in him. How many of you noticed the way the players are reacting to him now? I can't hear what they're saying to each other, but their body language is telling. It resembles how people behave when they are around that one guy at work that everyone finds annoying and "full of it", but for the sake of politeness they endure his presence. I even saw Charles Grant reach out a hand as if to say "Get away from me" when Payton was walking alongside him trying to talk to him.

Those are the things I see when I evaluate my beloved Saints. It's just my opinion, but I think it's accurate. Payton is not a good coach. Good coaches I see around the league seemingly struggle for several years while they build a good team. The teach fundamentals while they build the talent they need. The teams they are building seem to play hard, but still lose more than they win for a while - but they play solid fundamental football. Then when the talent joins the team, they start to win and compete consistently and win lots of football games. We were all drinking the kool-aid from last year's magical fluke - but that's not how a good coach works. Our fundamentals are awful on both sides of the ball and our players do not play with discipline.

Everyone in the league was shocked by Payton's new style of "gamble-ball" and it worked for a year while people figured it out. Now we're seeing what kind of coach he really is, when his one surprise trick has been taken away. Weekly we get to watch as our team is over-matched, out-coached, and humbled (lots of times even when the scoreboards shows that we won).

CheramieIII

I will support Payton until about 5 or 6 games into next season. If we are anything below 500 I will be calling for the boy genusis head and we better have a brand new defense and defensive coach this stuff has got to end and end now.

cadilacin

Must of yall make good points....but...for me this Thread is right on the money. When I went back to watch the nfc championship game I thought his playcallin was horrible and cost us the game.

This season he hasn't gotten any better. We need a defensive minded coaching staff.

If Payton does stay....he does need to hire a new D-Cord and a new Defensive Staff.

I know we've had alot of injuries, but the most disappointing constant this year has been Sean Payton's playcalling.

Tobias-Reiper

.. you mean defensive minded like Haslett or Marvin Lewis?
Hell no!!!


The most dissapointing constant of this year has been the defense not being able to stop anyone.
We have 3rd Down giving away 3rd and longs like they're going out of style, a MLB who constantly runs into the back of whichever DT is in front of him, 2 DEs who are so foreign to the opposing team's backfield they need to present passports to rush the QB, and a FS who avoids open gaps like Herpes.
Among the starters, only Fujita and McKenzie are worth their pay.

We don't need a "defensive minded" coach. We just need Payton to mind the defense, and realize that he needs to be the head coach, not just the OC, and that he needs to make personnel calls on defense as well, and that includes the coaching staff as well as the players.

'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill