i just don't think payton is the answer....

ssmitty · 12-23-2007, 03:07 PM

he has the mindset of bb, but he does'nt come through.....
it took less than a yr for other teams to figure him out,
some less, and he can't get it done......
sure, it's early, but i have a gut feeling on this one....
we were done at 0-4, and it should have never gotten to that,
but, here we are and what's done is done........
next yr? i'll wait again............smitty

papz · 12-23-2007, 03:23 PM

Keep your head up smitty. Payton will get us back into the playoffs next year. We weren't working with much on defense this year... that won't be the case next season.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 12-24-2007, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Keep your head up smitty. Payton will get us back into the playoffs next year. We weren't working with much on defense this year... that won't be the case next season.

Papz,

What makes you think that the defense is going to be any different next year?The team spent time and picks getting new folks, who fundamentally never hit the field. Most of us believe that Simineau must have pictures of Payton and Gibbs doing something obscene with a farm animal because there's no way the guy should be on the field. The talent evaluators and coaches picked up Jason David, who shall we say has been less than stellar this season. The scheme has issues too.

So what's going to be different next year? Different talent? Different coaches? Different scheme?

I wait impatiently to see how this defense is going to improve.

SFIAH

papz · 12-24-2007, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Papz,

What makes you think that the defense is going to be any different next year?The team spent time and picks getting new folks, who fundamentally never hit the field. Most of us believe that Simineau must have pictures of Payton and Gibbs doing something obscene with a farm animal because there's no way the guy should be on the field. The talent evaluators and coaches picked up Jason David, who shall we say has been less than stellar this season. The scheme has issues too.

So what's going to be different next year? Different talent? Different coaches? Different scheme?

I wait impatiently to see how this defense is going to improve.

SFIAH

I'm going with the assumption that with 35+ million dollars in cap room, we'll sign some quality defensive players for our defense. Lots of top talent out there this offseason for the bidding. I'm also going on the assumption that we learn from our mistakes on defense. We won't start David, sign a good corner, get a blitzing linebacker, and start putting pressure on opposing quarterbacks. I'm just trying to stay positive... hopefully it'll come true. With how bad our secondary was this year, there's no where to go but up.

TheDeuce · 12-23-2007, 04:15 PM

The only problem I worry about with Payton is that, yeah, we didn't have much of a defense to work with this year, but I don't think he's going to do jack about it in the offseason. He drafted Robert Meachem last year instead of a defensive player and then continued to ignore the defense for the rest of the draft/offseason.

LongTimeFan · 12-23-2007, 04:27 PM

No way I'd get rid of Payton, he's a good coach with an awful defense, he'll work with Lommis this off season to get better I'm sure.

geauxldenhustle25 · 12-23-2007, 05:42 PM

ssmitty... calm down bro... if payton can squeeze 7 wins out of a team whose defense: 1. can't create pressure on the quarterback 2. can't cover in the backfield, on offense: 1. who's running game is non-existent and 2. passes the whole game, then the guy is a genius. if payton were really bad... we'd end up 4-12 at the worst.

think about that for a minute.

QBREES9 · 12-23-2007, 05:47 PM

I have Faith and Trust in Coach Payton. It was his second year as a Head Coach.

hagan714 · 12-23-2007, 08:30 PM

LOL it is only year 2. We got banged up this year. Last year we stayed healthy. That is a big part of to. I still say we are a better team today than we were last year. Now finish the offense for the love of god and lets move on to the defense.

TheDeuce · 12-24-2007, 01:06 AM

I wasn't trying to sound like I don't think Payton is the answer, because I think he can be, but I do think that he mishandles his personnel. His playcalling also, frankly, blows sometimes. Swing passes and screens don't work every down and it makes me want to pull my hair out when I see a screen pass on 3rd and long that gets 2 yards, or a swing pass on 3rd and 3 that gets run out of bounds at the line of scrimmage. He's a good coach, and he's done a good job, in total, over the last two seasons, I just wish he would iron out some of the issues that we've seen this year.

12-23-2007, 03:07 PM	#1
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	i just don't think payton is the answer.... he has the mindset of bb, but he does'nt come through..... it took less than a yr for other teams to figure him out, some less, and he can't get it done...... sure, it's early, but i have a gut feeling on this one.... we were done at 0-4, and it should have never gotten to that, but, here we are and what's done is done........ next yr? i'll wait again............smitty
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12-23-2007, 03:23 PM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: i just don't think payton is the answer.... Keep your head up smitty. Payton will get us back into the playoffs next year. We weren't working with much on defense this year... that won't be the case next season.

12-24-2007, 01:23 AM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: i just don't think payton is the answer.... Originally Posted by papz Keep your head up smitty. Payton will get us back into the playoffs next year. We weren't working with much on defense this year... that won't be the case next season. Papz, What makes you think that the defense is going to be any different next year?The team spent time and picks getting new folks, who fundamentally never hit the field. Most of us believe that Simineau must have pictures of Payton and Gibbs doing something obscene with a farm animal because there's no way the guy should be on the field. The talent evaluators and coaches picked up Jason David, who shall we say has been less than stellar this season. The scheme has issues too. So what's going to be different next year? Different talent? Different coaches? Different scheme? I wait impatiently to see how this defense is going to improve. SFIAH
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12-24-2007, 09:32 AM	#4
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: i just don't think payton is the answer.... Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Papz, What makes you think that the defense is going to be any different next year?The team spent time and picks getting new folks, who fundamentally never hit the field. Most of us believe that Simineau must have pictures of Payton and Gibbs doing something obscene with a farm animal because there's no way the guy should be on the field. The talent evaluators and coaches picked up Jason David, who shall we say has been less than stellar this season. The scheme has issues too. So what's going to be different next year? Different talent? Different coaches? Different scheme? I wait impatiently to see how this defense is going to improve. SFIAH I'm going with the assumption that with 35+ million dollars in cap room, we'll sign some quality defensive players for our defense. Lots of top talent out there this offseason for the bidding. I'm also going on the assumption that we learn from our mistakes on defense. We won't start David, sign a good corner, get a blitzing linebacker, and start putting pressure on opposing quarterbacks. I'm just trying to stay positive... hopefully it'll come true. With how bad our secondary was this year, there's no where to go but up.

12-23-2007, 04:15 PM	#5
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: i just don't think payton is the answer.... The only problem I worry about with Payton is that, yeah, we didn't have much of a defense to work with this year, but I don't think he's going to do jack about it in the offseason. He drafted Robert Meachem last year instead of a defensive player and then continued to ignore the defense for the rest of the draft/offseason.
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12-23-2007, 04:27 PM	#6
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	Re: i just don't think payton is the answer.... No way I'd get rid of Payton, he's a good coach with an awful defense, he'll work with Lommis this off season to get better I'm sure.

12-23-2007, 05:42 PM	#7
geauxldenhustle25 THIS IS HOW WE DO IT Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 53	Re: i just don't think payton is the answer.... ssmitty... calm down bro... if payton can squeeze 7 wins out of a team whose defense: 1. can't create pressure on the quarterback 2. can't cover in the backfield, on offense: 1. who's running game is non-existent and 2. passes the whole game, then the guy is a genius. if payton were really bad... we'd end up 4-12 at the worst. think about that for a minute.

12-23-2007, 05:47 PM	#8
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Re: i just don't think payton is the answer.... I have Faith and Trust in Coach Payton. It was his second year as a Head Coach.

12-23-2007, 08:30 PM	#9
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: i just don't think payton is the answer.... LOL it is only year 2. We got banged up this year. Last year we stayed healthy. That is a big part of to. I still say we are a better team today than we were last year. Now finish the offense for the love of god and lets move on to the defense.

12-24-2007, 01:06 AM	#10
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: i just don't think payton is the answer.... I wasn't trying to sound like I don't think Payton is the answer, because I think he can be, but I do think that he mishandles his personnel. His playcalling also, frankly, blows sometimes. Swing passes and screens don't work every down and it makes me want to pull my hair out when I see a screen pass on 3rd and long that gets 2 yards, or a swing pass on 3rd and 3 that gets run out of bounds at the line of scrimmage. He's a good coach, and he's done a good job, in total, over the last two seasons, I just wish he would iron out some of the issues that we've seen this year.
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