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i just don't think payton is the answer....

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; he has the mindset of bb, but he does'nt come through..... it took less than a yr for other teams to figure him out, some less, and he can't get it done...... sure, it's early, but i have a gut ...

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Old 12-23-2007, 03:07 PM   #1
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i just don't think payton is the answer....

he has the mindset of bb, but he does'nt come through.....
it took less than a yr for other teams to figure him out,
some less, and he can't get it done......
sure, it's early, but i have a gut feeling on this one....
we were done at 0-4, and it should have never gotten to that,
but, here we are and what's done is done........
next yr? i'll wait again............smitty
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Old 12-23-2007, 03:23 PM   #2
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Re: i just don't think payton is the answer....

Keep your head up smitty. Payton will get us back into the playoffs next year. We weren't working with much on defense this year... that won't be the case next season.
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Old 12-24-2007, 01:23 AM   #3
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Re: i just don't think payton is the answer....

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Keep your head up smitty. Payton will get us back into the playoffs next year. We weren't working with much on defense this year... that won't be the case next season.
Papz,

What makes you think that the defense is going to be any different next year?The team spent time and picks getting new folks, who fundamentally never hit the field. Most of us believe that Simineau must have pictures of Payton and Gibbs doing something obscene with a farm animal because there's no way the guy should be on the field. The talent evaluators and coaches picked up Jason David, who shall we say has been less than stellar this season. The scheme has issues too.

So what's going to be different next year? Different talent? Different coaches? Different scheme?

I wait impatiently to see how this defense is going to improve.

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Old 12-24-2007, 09:32 AM   #4
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Re: i just don't think payton is the answer....

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Papz,

What makes you think that the defense is going to be any different next year?The team spent time and picks getting new folks, who fundamentally never hit the field. Most of us believe that Simineau must have pictures of Payton and Gibbs doing something obscene with a farm animal because there's no way the guy should be on the field. The talent evaluators and coaches picked up Jason David, who shall we say has been less than stellar this season. The scheme has issues too.

So what's going to be different next year? Different talent? Different coaches? Different scheme?

I wait impatiently to see how this defense is going to improve.

SFIAH
I'm going with the assumption that with 35+ million dollars in cap room, we'll sign some quality defensive players for our defense. Lots of top talent out there this offseason for the bidding. I'm also going on the assumption that we learn from our mistakes on defense. We won't start David, sign a good corner, get a blitzing linebacker, and start putting pressure on opposing quarterbacks. I'm just trying to stay positive... hopefully it'll come true. With how bad our secondary was this year, there's no where to go but up.
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Old 12-23-2007, 04:15 PM   #5
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Re: i just don't think payton is the answer....

The only problem I worry about with Payton is that, yeah, we didn't have much of a defense to work with this year, but I don't think he's going to do jack about it in the offseason. He drafted Robert Meachem last year instead of a defensive player and then continued to ignore the defense for the rest of the draft/offseason.
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Old 12-23-2007, 04:27 PM   #6
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No way I'd get rid of Payton, he's a good coach with an awful defense, he'll work with Lommis this off season to get better I'm sure.
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Old 12-23-2007, 05:42 PM   #7
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Re: i just don't think payton is the answer....

ssmitty... calm down bro... if payton can squeeze 7 wins out of a team whose defense: 1. can't create pressure on the quarterback 2. can't cover in the backfield, on offense: 1. who's running game is non-existent and 2. passes the whole game, then the guy is a genius. if payton were really bad... we'd end up 4-12 at the worst.

think about that for a minute.
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Old 12-23-2007, 05:47 PM   #8
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I have Faith and Trust in Coach Payton. It was his second year as a Head Coach.
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Old 12-23-2007, 08:30 PM   #9
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Re: i just don't think payton is the answer....

LOL it is only year 2. We got banged up this year. Last year we stayed healthy. That is a big part of to. I still say we are a better team today than we were last year. Now finish the offense for the love of god and lets move on to the defense.
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Old 12-24-2007, 01:06 AM   #10
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I wasn't trying to sound like I don't think Payton is the answer, because I think he can be, but I do think that he mishandles his personnel. His playcalling also, frankly, blows sometimes. Swing passes and screens don't work every down and it makes me want to pull my hair out when I see a screen pass on 3rd and long that gets 2 yards, or a swing pass on 3rd and 3 that gets run out of bounds at the line of scrimmage. He's a good coach, and he's done a good job, in total, over the last two seasons, I just wish he would iron out some of the issues that we've seen this year.
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