Player turnover..........
 

Last year during mini-camp Loomis alluded to the fact that there is ALWAYS 12 to 15 players on a team that turnover during any given year.

My question is this...Which 12 to 15 players will NOT be with the Saints in 08 (either through trades or waived)?

My possiblities are;
Henderson
Moore
Copper
Stinchcomb
Nesbit
Faine
Martin
Hollis Thomas
Simoneau
Jason David
Fred Thomas
Mare

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Of those, I'd like to keep Hollis Thomas. I think Simoneau plays well when his teammates do - so, I'm kind of on the fence with him.

Other than that, I wouldn't be upset if we lost any of the rest. I kinda dig Moore and Nesbit a bit, but if we have to lose some players...

I'm hoping we don't lose any of our running backs. I think it's going to be hard for Sean Payton to get rid of any back we have, especially when this year the supply of running backs was pretty much exhausted with injuries.

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Henderson, Thomas, Nesbit, and Mare most likely won't be coming back. If we don't target a certain center via free agency, then I would think we'd re-sign Faine. Let him battle with Goodwin for the center job and hope he returns to 2006 form. We should target a solid pass catching WR during the offseason to start opposite Colston.

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I like Henderson, Moore and Copper...if we could just teach Henderson to actually HOLD ONTO a ball when he catches it. Copper's good, too, when he's on his game (I know...I know...)

I like Hollis Thomas, too.

I say we dump:

Jason David
Fred Thomas
Mark Simoneau
Scott Shanle
Jamie Martin (shouldn't we look for someone younger??)
Jason Craft

Above and beyond that, I can't think of anyone else. Mare is okay but for now I think I'll stick with the itsby-bitsy-teeny-tiny Gramatica. So maybe add Mare to the list.

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Judging by the way Payton has stuck behind J David this season and being so early into his contract..... Is it possible JD won't be back?

And Henderson.... will we get anything for him?

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I like Hollis, Moore, and Mare. The rest of the losers are garbage. Henderson drives me crazy when he drops passes. I wish we could have kept Donte Stallworth.

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Stinchcomb
Nesbit
Faine
Hollis Thomas
Simoneau

Thats it

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Even though it didn't look like it early, one of the bright spots again this season was the play of our offensive line. I think I heard during the game on Sunday that the Saints OLine had surrendered the fewest sacks in the NFL (correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's true). I believe that it is important to keep as much of the line in tact as possible. Obviously, if there are upgrades somewhere, then we should pursue it; I'm just saying that the line has played well and lines always do better the more time they've spent together.

Henderson needs to be gone. Lance Moore can stay at a low salary, but he's completely expendable in my book. I would like to see us keep Copper who was great last season and underused in my opinion this season.

Jaime Martin should be gone. So should Mare. Whoever says Mare is "good" is smoking something amazing, and I'd like to get a little bit of it. The guy is absolutely terrible. He blew the Panthers game for us by missing a field goal from the 3.

Hollis Thomas can be good, but we really really need to find another DT who isn't a street FA just signed off the waiver wire because nobody else wanted him. We need to add a little toughness to this defense, something we just don't have right now.

I wish I could hop in a time machine and travel back in time and beg the Saints not to sign David, but we're stuck with him now, and I honestly don't see what we're going to do with him. He's the worst cornerback I've ever seen in the NFL, I believe he's given up 10 touchdowns this season. He shouldn't be on an NFL team, or even an AFL or CFL team.

I love me some Fred Thomas, but he's old and expendable. He hardly played this season, but I don't think he would have contributed anything if he did get the PT.

O, I almost forgot about Simoneau, who blows. We need a shot of athleticism and toughness to our linebacking corps which we don't have with Simoneau and his 4.9 40 and sweet cowboy collar.

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deuce, i'm with you 100%...preach on man :P

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How long have we been waiting for Henderson to hold on to the ball? It's time to cut our loses (and the number of dropped passes).

Papz, where did that quote about crows come from? Forrest Gump? Raising Arizona?