Looking for a new head coach?

abutler · 12-31-2007, 06:47 PM

Life is about striving to improve. I like to be patient. I'm a Saints fan. I have seen bad basics from Sean Payton and that scares me. He is at too high a level in coaching to screw up the basics. Clock Management. How to use timeouts. Understanding Momentum. Knowing the climate of your championship! Give me a break!

jcoll16 · 01-01-2008, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by abutler

Knowing the climate of your championship! Give me a break!

Dude, you need to give that thing a freakin' rest. Every time you mention that, the more ridiculous it makes you sound because that is not why we lost that game. Get over it.

hagan714 · 01-01-2008, 06:25 AM

Now the supporting cast may need some adjustment. I am looking for a change in the secondary coaching to happen for sure.

bobcat4u2 · 01-01-2008, 07:28 AM

young coaches,like young players make mistakes.yes,coaching errors cost several games.remember,coaching also won several games.lack of execution also lost several games.you have to let them develop.also,dwas he given the money to go after " PRIME TIME " players? we have one of the biggest cap spaces this year.let's see if it is used properly

saintfan · 01-01-2008, 07:47 AM

Heavens and Stars! Fire Sean Payton? Please. He's not going anywhere. It remains to be seen if Payton is loyal to a fault like Haz was, and that might be his undoing here eventually, but he'll be here next year and probably the year after regardless of what happens next year. Deal with that. Embrace it. It's reality.

abutler · 01-01-2008, 12:41 PM

SFIAH thanks for your comments. You were right on about the defense. I have a big problem with your belief that the weather did not have an affect on the NFC Championship. I was there to. Drew's passes in warm ups were all trailing right and high. That's because the ball loses its tackiness in freezing weather. Colton dropped a couple passes wide open over the middle, that's because the ball hits like a ton of bricks when its freezing. We had several fumbles in the first half. Why? WE WEREN'T READY. Whose responsibility is it to have the team ready?
When it rains there is an impact on the game. When it snows and is sub-freezing I would think that it would be necessary and common sense to acclimate before game time. Players need to re-learn how the ball flies in cold weather, how it hits, how it feels, how good the footing is, how to run routes as crisply as possible without falling, how to pursue a running back without giving away the jook. There is a lot to know. I grew up in the deep south as a quarterback and played some ball in Wisconsin. I lived up there for 5 years. Throwing, catching, and running is completely different. We are a dome team! How genius does Sean Payton have to be to figure that out. Football doesn't need to be genius. It needs to be common sense. Sean's brain has him so confused that he's forgotten the importance of fundamental football strategy, point scoring, clock management, and preparation. Do you think a coach in the earlier years of the NFL would have showed up on Saturday night for a Sunday Championship? Not if it meant something to him. Only a rookie would be satisfied getting there. If we want to be champions, we need a champion as a coach. It's only my observation.
I'm sorry if I offend some people. I love football and the Saints.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 01-01-2008, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by abutler

SFIAH thanks for your comments. You were right on about the defense. I have a big problem with your belief that the weather did not have an affect on the NFC Championship. I was there to. Drew's passes in warm ups were all trailing right and high. That's because the ball loses its tackiness in freezing weather. Colton dropped a couple passes wide open over the middle, that's because the ball hits like a ton of bricks when its freezing. We had several fumbles in the first half. Why? WE WEREN'T READY. Whose responsibility is it to have the team ready?
When it rains there is an impact on the game. When it snows and is sub-freezing I would think that it would be necessary and common sense to acclimate before game time. Players need to re-learn how the ball flies in cold weather, how it hits, how it feels, how good the footing is, how to run routes as crisply as possible without falling, how to pursue a running back without giving away the jook. There is a lot to know. I grew up in the deep south as a quarterback and played some ball in Wisconsin. I lived up there for 5 years. Throwing, catching, and running is completely different. We are a dome team! How genius does Sean Payton have to be to figure that out. Football doesn't need to be genius. It needs to be common sense. Sean's brain has him so confused that he's forgotten the importance of fundamental football strategy, point scoring, clock management, and preparation. Do you think a coach in the earlier years of the NFL would have showed up on Saturday night for a Sunday Championship? Not if it meant something to him. Only a rookie would be satisfied getting there. If we want to be champions, we need a champion as a coach. It's only my observation.
I'm sorry if I offend some people. I love football and the Saints.

No offense taken. 3 days or 3 weeks wouldn't have mattered. The Saints were not committed to running the ball in the game. Also the defense couldn't stop the run. It was a doomed mission from the start.

The only question about Payton and the Saints organization is whether or not they are willing to step up and blow up the defense this offeseason and remake it. If not, then you'll know what their level of committment to winning is going to be.

Offense is flashy and cool, I agree. But at the end of the day of you cannot consistently stop the other guy, then it's all moot.

SFIAH

Fleured · 01-01-2008, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by frankeefrank

I hold my head coaches to a high standard...
Make the team better and
never post a losing record...

Sean Payton has failed in both areas to me.
Sure it might be a tough statement to make, but I offer this as my reasoning.
Vince Lombardi never posted a losing record as a HC and after losing his first championship game...
Rattled off 9 wins .
He stated, "we will never lose this game again" and didn't.

Now Lombardi is a legend, and hard to compare to.
But that is what I want from my team's head coach...
And Payton this season (7-9) failed...

Sorry guys,
We are now looking for a new head coach.

Let's not hold 50 other well-compensated individuals responsible for oft-times lackluster performance. We gave even Haslett and Ditka more time.

abutler · 01-02-2008, 12:08 PM

3 days or 3 weeks would have mattered to me. Because I wouldn't have these doubts about the committment or common sense of our head coach. Atleast he would look like he gave it his best. That's all I can ask for from anyone and everyone. You learn from trying your best. If you have to learn how to try your best then we are in big trouble. I believe that is what I'm seeing. Those doubts were solidified over this year. Everyone keeps telling me, give him a chance, he's learning. He should've learned clock management in pee-wee ball. He's running a multi-million dollar business. How does he not know better?

Johnny Moronic · 01-02-2008, 02:15 PM

This is ridiculous. Barring a complete meltdown Sean Payton has earned 4 or 5 years in my book. Hell, we were in the playoff race till the final week of the regular season. How many teams never had a shot? I've sat through so many awful saints seasons, i don't mind giving a coach some time to do his thing. 7-9? do you remember what 3-13 felt like? Thank god no rational fans feel this way and that management would never do anything so STUPID.

12-31-2007, 06:47 PM	#1
abutler since 86 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Long Beach MS Posts: 23 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Looking for a new head coach? Life is about striving to improve. I like to be patient. I'm a Saints fan. I have seen bad basics from Sean Payton and that scares me. He is at too high a level in coaching to screw up the basics. Clock Management. How to use timeouts. Understanding Momentum. Knowing the climate of your championship! Give me a break!

01-01-2008, 03:08 AM	#2
jcoll16 Registered Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: B. Rouge Posts: 39	Re: Looking for a new head coach? Originally Posted by abutler Knowing the climate of your championship! Give me a break! Dude, you need to give that thing a freakin' rest. Every time you mention that, the more ridiculous it makes you sound because that is not why we lost that game. Get over it.

01-01-2008, 06:25 AM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Looking for a new head coach? Now the supporting cast may need some adjustment. I am looking for a change in the secondary coaching to happen for sure.

01-01-2008, 07:28 AM	#4
bobcat4u2 Registered Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 71	Re: Looking for a new head coach? young coaches,like young players make mistakes.yes,coaching errors cost several games.remember,coaching also won several games.lack of execution also lost several games.you have to let them develop.also,dwas he given the money to go after " PRIME TIME " players? we have one of the biggest cap spaces this year.let's see if it is used properly
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01-01-2008, 07:47 AM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Looking for a new head coach? Heavens and Stars! Fire Sean Payton? Please. He's not going anywhere. It remains to be seen if Payton is loyal to a fault like Haz was, and that might be his undoing here eventually, but he'll be here next year and probably the year after regardless of what happens next year. Deal with that. Embrace it. It's reality.

01-01-2008, 12:41 PM	#6
abutler since 86 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Long Beach MS Posts: 23 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Looking for a new head coach? SFIAH thanks for your comments. You were right on about the defense. I have a big problem with your belief that the weather did not have an affect on the NFC Championship. I was there to. Drew's passes in warm ups were all trailing right and high. That's because the ball loses its tackiness in freezing weather. Colton dropped a couple passes wide open over the middle, that's because the ball hits like a ton of bricks when its freezing. We had several fumbles in the first half. Why? WE WEREN'T READY. Whose responsibility is it to have the team ready? When it rains there is an impact on the game. When it snows and is sub-freezing I would think that it would be necessary and common sense to acclimate before game time. Players need to re-learn how the ball flies in cold weather, how it hits, how it feels, how good the footing is, how to run routes as crisply as possible without falling, how to pursue a running back without giving away the jook. There is a lot to know. I grew up in the deep south as a quarterback and played some ball in Wisconsin. I lived up there for 5 years. Throwing, catching, and running is completely different. We are a dome team! How genius does Sean Payton have to be to figure that out. Football doesn't need to be genius. It needs to be common sense. Sean's brain has him so confused that he's forgotten the importance of fundamental football strategy, point scoring, clock management, and preparation. Do you think a coach in the earlier years of the NFL would have showed up on Saturday night for a Sunday Championship? Not if it meant something to him. Only a rookie would be satisfied getting there. If we want to be champions, we need a champion as a coach. It's only my observation. I'm sorry if I offend some people. I love football and the Saints.

01-01-2008, 02:00 PM	#7
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Looking for a new head coach? Originally Posted by abutler SFIAH thanks for your comments. You were right on about the defense. I have a big problem with your belief that the weather did not have an affect on the NFC Championship. I was there to. Drew's passes in warm ups were all trailing right and high. That's because the ball loses its tackiness in freezing weather. Colton dropped a couple passes wide open over the middle, that's because the ball hits like a ton of bricks when its freezing. We had several fumbles in the first half. Why? WE WEREN'T READY. Whose responsibility is it to have the team ready? When it rains there is an impact on the game. When it snows and is sub-freezing I would think that it would be necessary and common sense to acclimate before game time. Players need to re-learn how the ball flies in cold weather, how it hits, how it feels, how good the footing is, how to run routes as crisply as possible without falling, how to pursue a running back without giving away the jook. There is a lot to know. I grew up in the deep south as a quarterback and played some ball in Wisconsin. I lived up there for 5 years. Throwing, catching, and running is completely different. We are a dome team! How genius does Sean Payton have to be to figure that out. Football doesn't need to be genius. It needs to be common sense. Sean's brain has him so confused that he's forgotten the importance of fundamental football strategy, point scoring, clock management, and preparation. Do you think a coach in the earlier years of the NFL would have showed up on Saturday night for a Sunday Championship? Not if it meant something to him. Only a rookie would be satisfied getting there. If we want to be champions, we need a champion as a coach. It's only my observation. I'm sorry if I offend some people. I love football and the Saints. No offense taken. 3 days or 3 weeks wouldn't have mattered. The Saints were not committed to running the ball in the game. Also the defense couldn't stop the run. It was a doomed mission from the start. The only question about Payton and the Saints organization is whether or not they are willing to step up and blow up the defense this offeseason and remake it. If not, then you'll know what their level of committment to winning is going to be. Offense is flashy and cool, I agree. But at the end of the day of you cannot consistently stop the other guy, then it's all moot. SFIAH
	Super Bowl Championships: New Orleans Saints:1, Carolina:0, Atlanta Chokers: STILL ZERO Only Atlanta choked in an unchokable situation... Life is definitely good.

01-01-2008, 01:26 PM	#8
Fleured The NY Geaux Getter Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 348	Re: Looking for a new head coach? Originally Posted by frankeefrank I hold my head coaches to a high standard... Make the team better and never post a losing record... Sean Payton has failed in both areas to me. Sure it might be a tough statement to make, but I offer this as my reasoning. Vince Lombardi never posted a losing record as a HC and after losing his first championship game... Rattled off 9 wins . He stated, "we will never lose this game again" and didn't. Now Lombardi is a legend, and hard to compare to. But that is what I want from my team's head coach... And Payton this season (7-9) failed... Sorry guys, We are now looking for a new head coach. Let's not hold 50 other well-compensated individuals responsible for oft-times lackluster performance. We gave even Haslett and Ditka more time.

01-02-2008, 12:08 PM	#9
abutler since 86 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Long Beach MS Posts: 23 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Looking for a new head coach? 3 days or 3 weeks would have mattered to me. Because I wouldn't have these doubts about the committment or common sense of our head coach. Atleast he would look like he gave it his best. That's all I can ask for from anyone and everyone. You learn from trying your best. If you have to learn how to try your best then we are in big trouble. I believe that is what I'm seeing. Those doubts were solidified over this year. Everyone keeps telling me, give him a chance, he's learning. He should've learned clock management in pee-wee ball. He's running a multi-million dollar business. How does he not know better?

01-02-2008, 02:15 PM	#10
Johnny Moronic Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tuscaloosa, Alabama Posts: 9	Re: Looking for a new head coach? This is ridiculous. Barring a complete meltdown Sean Payton has earned 4 or 5 years in my book. Hell, we were in the playoff race till the final week of the regular season. How many teams never had a shot? I've sat through so many awful saints seasons, i don't mind giving a coach some time to do his thing. 7-9? do you remember what 3-13 felt like? Thank god no rational fans feel this way and that management would never do anything so STUPID.