Kenny Phillips or BUST

Tobias-Reiper · 01-16-2008, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by Cancer Beater

I wouldn't be surprised to see New England get Briggs, Suggs, Chad Johnson, and draft Phillips or McFadden.
I fully expect to see New England win 2 Superbowls in a row.

... and don't forget the partridge in a pear tree.

hagan714 · 01-16-2008, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by NarwhalHunter

We need an athletic LB and a speedy CB in the worst way. Keith Rivers would be better at #10, IMO.

Rivers size worries me on the outside. Rivers’ size may keep him on the weakside until he can get bigger. Rivers also needs to show that his junior season wasn’t a fluke, and continue to build on it. He has been a little hesitant in the past, and needs to play with more aggression on a consistent basis. Maybe he should stay at WLB not SLB like everyone is saying he should. God knows smith needs the help.

Phillips is the best Safety in a so-so draft for FS. Most of the good prospects at FS are CBs. This fact may have inflated his value a bit. But he deffinitly has the specs for FS.

SS is different. Got a pretty good looking group there.

TheDeuce · 01-16-2008, 09:06 PM

I would just love to see an impact linebacker on this team. When was the last time the Saints had a very good linebacker?

papz · 01-16-2008, 09:30 PM

I'm so torn at who I want... there's just so many holes on defense.

Cancer Beater · 01-16-2008, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I'm so torn at who I want... there's just so many holes on defense.

More holes than Swiss Cheese

hagan714 · 01-17-2008, 06:53 AM

Holes? one large gapping wound is more like it.
I look at the JRs staying and the way they would have effected the board if they had entered and I wonder if it is best to use this pick and try to get an established vet in a trade down. Or just use the pick to get that impact player or two we need on defense with this pick and try to get in the top five of round 2 while doing it.
Roberston and Vilma from the jets and swap #2 for our #10. If we think we can replace Stinch with a draft choice then add him to the mix and get thier #2 straight out. Of course Vilma would have to check out ok and a contract deal would need to be worked out. So maybe get the #2 and do a conditional pick deal in 2009, keeping stinch or not, and base it on how everything works out.
You just killed two birds with one stone and got young vets in return. The jets dump two #1s that do not fit the system they are running. They get a RT they need. Sounds like a win win to me. Besides we would be sending the player picked to an AFC team to compete with the Pats.
No I am not sold on Philips. He might be standing out among the Ss because of how thin the group of S really are. There is more talk about all the good CB that might better at S than the S themselves. Last year he would have been a mid first rounder at best. I lean towards the bottom third myself. Maybe top of the second round

Cancer Beater · 01-17-2008, 09:31 AM

You've made alot of great points Hagan714

Tobias-Reiper · 01-17-2008, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Roberston and Vilma from the jets and swap #2 for our #10.

Wait... you are saying the Jets give the Saints Robertson, Vilma, and their #2 pick for the Saints #10 pick? Man that sounds sweet

Supersaint19 · 01-17-2008, 01:36 PM

the jets pick 6th

SapperSaint · 01-17-2008, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Cancer Beater

You've made alot of great points Hagan714

He's been known to let a couple of nuggets of knowledge slip out every now and then. Just don't inflate his ego too much.

01-16-2008, 05:35 AM	#21
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Kenny Phillips or BUST Originally Posted by Cancer Beater I wouldn't be surprised to see New England get Briggs, Suggs, Chad Johnson, and draft Phillips or McFadden. I fully expect to see New England win 2 Superbowls in a row. ... and don't forget the partridge in a pear tree.

01-16-2008, 05:38 AM	#22
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Kenny Phillips or BUST Originally Posted by NarwhalHunter We need an athletic LB and a speedy CB in the worst way. Keith Rivers would be better at #10, IMO. Rivers size worries me on the outside. Rivers’ size may keep him on the weakside until he can get bigger. Rivers also needs to show that his junior season wasn’t a fluke, and continue to build on it. He has been a little hesitant in the past, and needs to play with more aggression on a consistent basis. Maybe he should stay at WLB not SLB like everyone is saying he should. God knows smith needs the help. Phillips is the best Safety in a so-so draft for FS. Most of the good prospects at FS are CBs. This fact may have inflated his value a bit. But he deffinitly has the specs for FS. SS is different. Got a pretty good looking group there.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

01-16-2008, 09:06 PM	#23
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Kenny Phillips or BUST I would just love to see an impact linebacker on this team. When was the last time the Saints had a very good linebacker?
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01-16-2008, 09:30 PM	#24
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: Kenny Phillips or BUST I'm so torn at who I want... there's just so many holes on defense.

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Cancer Beater 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 154	Re: Kenny Phillips or BUST Originally Posted by papz I'm so torn at who I want... there's just so many holes on defense. More holes than Swiss Cheese
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01-17-2008, 06:53 AM	#26
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Kenny Phillips or BUST Holes? one large gapping wound is more like it. I look at the JRs staying and the way they would have effected the board if they had entered and I wonder if it is best to use this pick and try to get an established vet in a trade down. Or just use the pick to get that impact player or two we need on defense with this pick and try to get in the top five of round 2 while doing it. Roberston and Vilma from the jets and swap #2 for our #10. If we think we can replace Stinch with a draft choice then add him to the mix and get thier #2 straight out. Of course Vilma would have to check out ok and a contract deal would need to be worked out. So maybe get the #2 and do a conditional pick deal in 2009, keeping stinch or not, and base it on how everything works out. You just killed two birds with one stone and got young vets in return. The jets dump two #1s that do not fit the system they are running. They get a RT they need. Sounds like a win win to me. Besides we would be sending the player picked to an AFC team to compete with the Pats. No I am not sold on Philips. He might be standing out among the Ss because of how thin the group of S really are. There is more talk about all the good CB that might better at S than the S themselves. Last year he would have been a mid first rounder at best. I lean towards the bottom third myself. Maybe top of the second round
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01-17-2008, 09:31 AM	#27
Cancer Beater 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 154	Re: Kenny Phillips or BUST You've made alot of great points Hagan714
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01-17-2008, 10:37 AM	#28
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Kenny Phillips or BUST Originally Posted by hagan714 Roberston and Vilma from the jets and swap #2 for our #10. Wait... you are saying the Jets give the Saints Robertson, Vilma, and their #2 pick for the Saints #10 pick? Man that sounds sweet

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Supersaint19 Registered Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 59	Re: Kenny Phillips or BUST the jets pick 6th
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01-17-2008, 01:59 PM	#30
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Kenny Phillips or BUST Originally Posted by Cancer Beater You've made alot of great points Hagan714 He's been known to let a couple of nuggets of knowledge slip out every now and then. Just don't inflate his ego too much.