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QBREES9

01-23-2008 05:37 PM

Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach

Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach - Sports - NOLA.com

Orgeron spent seven seasons at Southern Cal, where he earned a reputation as one of the top defensive line coaches and one of the top recruiters in the country. He has also coached at Miami, Syracuse, Arkansas and Nicholls State. He began his coaching career as a graduate assistant at Northwestern State, then at McNeese State.

"His reputation precedes him," Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis said. "He's a fantastic coach. He's done a great job at every place that he's been. And we got so many recommendations from people that have worked with him and played for him, that it was kind of overwhelming to be honest with you."

SapperSaint

01-24-2008 07:06 AM

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No comment other than what I've already said about this. Well, I guess we will just have to wait and see. I hope I have to eat some crow on this.

SapperSaint

01-24-2008 09:56 AM

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WHOA!

You seem to be on a negative roll today Missile. I like it, keep the fire burning.

Crusader

01-24-2008 10:03 AM

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I don't see how a guy not being a good head coach automaticly disqualifies him from being a good position coach. Look att Haslett, he sucked as a HC but is a pretty good LB coach.

SapperSaint

01-24-2008 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 152581)

not liking the non proactive way the Saints are handling the offseason. Not one bit.

I thought this was a prerequisite to being a Saints fan.

I feel your pain brother. It use to make me sick to my stomach, but there is nothing we as fans can do to change it. Look what it took for Payton to get another kicker this year. Gramatica may not be the first choice for many of us but he's a heck of alot better than Mare.

Sometimes it is like this team has to get :nutkick: about a million times before they wake up to address only ONE problem. I just don't understand sometimes why they do what they do.

papz	01-24-2008 10:45 AM

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He's had 15 plus years experience coaching mostly with the DL... I think it's a good hire. He's paid his dues and I think he's going to be a good addition to our staff. I think it's extremely premature to throw him under the bus.

Cortez Kennedy, Russell Maryland, Warren Sapp, Kenechi Udeze, and Mike Patterson are some of the guys he's coached during his career.

Tobias-Reiper

01-24-2008 11:51 AM

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I agree with Crusader's sentiment. I don't see how not succeeding in one place as head coach disqualifies him as a position coach somewhere else.

As for not being proactive in the offseason, well, it ain't the offseason just yet. The FA period doesn't start until next month; the combine is a couple months away.

The 2 things the Saints can do at this time is:
1.- call on NFL coaches that have been fired somewhere else, but that would be the same case as Orgegon, no?
2.- Ask permission to talk to coaches under contract from other teams not playing anymore, which other teams may or may not grant, or the coach in question may or may not want to go somewhere else if he's successful in his present situation and he's not offered a HC position.

Budsdrinker

01-24-2008 11:59 AM

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Just because a coach didn't do well at one team doesn't mean he is a bad coach. Look at Billicheck, he was fired in Cleveland years ago and people said he would never amount to much as a coach and just look at him now.
Give Orgeron a chance. It's not like he is the HC or DC.

biloxi-indian

01-24-2008 12:15 PM

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I was just listening to Sirius and a caller asked about the Orgeron hire with the Saints. The guys on Sirius said "Eddie was a great hire for the Saints. He fits their scheme and you can bet the defensive linemen will be in shape and run to the ball". High intensity coach that will expect nothing but 100% from his players. They went futher on to say "you can bet Grant and Smith will lose weight".

papz	01-24-2008 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 152618)

You guys kill me. Do you not follow college football at all? Go check out his antics while at Ole Miss and you'll see this guy is a clown.

I follow it enough that he was considered one of the premiere DL coaches in college... obviously you knew that. You also knew that McFadden is Peterson with blazing speed... right. :rolleyes:

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You mentioned all those great players he supposedly "coached". Might have something to do with their talent over his ability to coach.

Supposedly? It's a FACT he coached those players. You can have all the God given talent and without proper coaching, it will amount to nothing. Examples... Adrian McPherson, Talman Gardner, Courtney Brown, Heath Shuler, etc.

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Paid his dues? Yeah, okay. He has ZERO NFL experience, yet you feel this qualifies him to come on board and be a coach in the NFL. Have you all forgotten that after being fired from Ole Miss he did not get ONE offer from a college to to coach there? That right there tells you something.

Mike Tomlin worked his way from being a graduate assistant at Memphis to becoming a head coach for the Pittsburg Steelers. What qualified him making that jump from being a college assistant to becoming NFL position's coach? And so what if he got fired from Ole Miss... he played in the best conference in college football and had to recruit against the powerhouses of the SEC. Some people just are cut out to be a head coach.

If your main argument is that he won't cut because he got fired from Ole Miss, that's beyond WEAK...

Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach - Sports - NOLA.com

ScottBalot

01-24-2008 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 152575)

Congratulations Loomis. You are now turning this team into the same mold as Haslett's. Ogeron? COME ON! They guy failed in his one attempt to be a head coach, so I guess that warrants him jumping to the NFL? Uh, don't get that at all. This was a horrible, horrible move. I also don't understand not firing a pathetic DC in Gibbs only to fire our rb and cb coach. Talk about scapegoat. I remember Haslett doing the same thing. I'm beginning to think that Payton may not be the guy for us after all. If anyone needed to be canned from this season it was Gibbs and yet, nothing. Shows me he's acting much like Haslett with Venturi. I got news for you Sean Payton, if it looks and smells like shi*, then it's probably shi*. To fire ANY COACH off this team besides Gibbs, it's a huge disjustice to the fans and the players. Gibbs is the MAIN problem with our defense and it may, just like Haslett, ultimately cost Payton his job. Loyalty is one thing, the unemployment line is another. If I were Payton, I'd start refreshing my resume.

you want Gibbs fired, yet on another thread you stated that the defense needs help at every position. So is it Gibbs' fault he has no talent, or is it that the defense is talented, but not well coached?

papz	01-24-2008 04:54 PM

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Okay smart guy, if he was SUCH A GREAT DL coach, how were his D Lines at Ole Miss? Yeah right, when he didn't have the SC talent, he didn't have the same results. My arguement is weak? Sure, whatever you say, he BOMBED as a head coach. He just didn't "not do well" he NEVER even had a .500 record! None of his defenses were even CLOSE to being ranked high in the SEC.

I believe I already answered that even before you asked the question.

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About my McFadden comment, I still stand by it. I will post facts to boast that it a second.

Any day now.

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Second, you must be some kind of mental misfit to even mention Tomlin! That PROVES my point. Tomlin was a DC in the NFL for more than just a season or two before he got his chance. He also put his skins on the wall in the NFL. Please tell me where Ogeron has done this? Do you REALLY think that the D Lines at SC were so successful because of Ogeron? You make me laugh. Has SC missed a beat with Ogeron gone? Yeah right and my arguement is weak.

Obviously you have hard time reading and understanding things.

So umm... can you answer that question I posed?

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Mike Tomlin worked his way from being a graduate assistant at Memphis to becoming a head coach for the Pittsburg Steelers. What qualified him making that jump from being a college assistant to becoming NFL position's coach?

Look carefully as I bolded the most important part in there.
Read it slowly first... you get my point yet?

Probably not.

papz	01-24-2008 04:58 PM

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Oh man you're just digging yourself in a deeper hole... you should just stop and pretend this thread never happened.

Budsdrinker

01-24-2008 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 152638)

Weak? Give me ONE example of how he has established himself ON THE NFL level to warrant a job with the Saints? Okay smart guy, if he was SUCH A GREAT DL coach, how were his D Lines at Ole Miss? Yeah right, when he didn't have the SC talent, he didn't have the same results. My arguement is weak? Sure, whatever you say, he BOMBED as a head coach. He just didn't "not do well" he NEVER even had a .500 record! None of his defenses were even CLOSE to being ranked high in the SEC. About my McFadden comment, I still stand by it. I will post facts to boast that it a second. Second, you must be some kind of mental misfit to even mention Tomlin! That PROVES my point. Tomlin was a DC in the NFL for more than just a season or two before he got his chance. He also put his skins on the wall in the NFL. Please tell me where Ogeron has done this? Do you REALLY think that the D Lines at SC were so successful because of Ogeron? You make me laugh. Has SC missed a beat with Ogeron gone? Yeah right and my arguement is weak.

Ole Miss DL Greg Hardy led the SEC in sacks with 10 and had 18.5 tackles for losses. Another DL Peria Jerry had 3.5 sacks and 14 tackles for losses. So I would say the DL was pretty good. Did Orgreon have something to do with their play? I would have to say yes.

Budsdrinker

01-24-2008 05:18 PM

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Again, he is hired to coach the DL not head coach. And it looks like the players on the DLine play well under his coaching everywhere he has been.
Just look outside the purple and gold box once in a while!!

ScottBalot

01-24-2008 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 152641)

I'm sorry guy. I guess to have a bad defense you can only have

A) bad coaching OR
B) bad players

So, if we wen't with your reasoning, if we fired Gibbs, we just keep the status quo of players we have now and POOF! We'd be a great defense. OR if we bring in new players and keep Gibbs, POOF! We'd be a great defense! It's obvious we won't dump idiot Gibbs, so at least if you increase the talent level you MIGHT improve enough to be competitive. Right now, our D isn't even close to that.
You ask me, we need a NEW DC AND a NEW players. Complete overhaul. Keep Fujita, McKenzie, Smith, Grant as starters, keep Shanle, Simineau, Craft, Clancy, Harper etc as BACKUPS and go out and draft and bring in FA STARTERS!

please explain to me how you can unequivocally dismiss Gibbs if he doesn't have any talent to work with? Let's see him work with some players on defense first, and then if he bombs, by all means it will be time for a change.

papz	01-24-2008 06:16 PM

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Give me ONE example of how he has established himself ON THE NFL level to warrant a job with the Saints?

Prior to getting an job with the Tampa Bay Bucs...

Give me ONE example of how Mike Tomlin established himself on the NFL level to warrant a job with the Bucs?

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Prior to joining Tampa Bay's staff, Tomlin served two seasons as the defensive backs coach at the University of Cincinnati (1999-00). He took over a secondary unit there that ranked 111th in the nation in pass defense in 1998 and helped them improve to 61st overall in his first season in '99. Under Tomlin's direction in 2000, the Bearcats ranked eight in the nation in INTs as well as fourth nationally in total turnovers.

You mentioned all those nice stats and rankings. It might have something to do with their talent over his ability to coach. He had ZERO NFL experience, yet you thought it qualified him to come on board and be a coach in the NFL.

ROFL it's like taking candy from a baby. You got what I just did?

Probably not.

Weak.

andersen

01-24-2008 08:34 PM

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I was hoping this was the tip of the iceberg (on defensive coaching changes), but the more I thought about it, if they are going to replace Gibbs, they wouldn't make this change now. They would wait to after the new DC was installed to get his own men.
Oh boy, I hope we see LB coach next.

hagan714

01-24-2008 10:11 PM

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Just because he is coming from college does not mean a thing. All coaches came from the college rankings. I am willing to see what he can do. Look it can not get any worse. Well much worse. We are down there in the rankings.

dasaints26

01-24-2008 10:30 PM

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I just got 2 points to make.
1) regarding our old d-line coach how many interesting stats and team accomplishments can you recall from his coaching history(without looking them up first). Do you know how many sacks his unit produced during his 2nd year as a d-line coach? What made him earn his 1st job in the NFL? What were his qualifications to justify hiring him as the Saints d-line coach?
2)What was the reason Ole Miss had a losing record? Was it the poor play of the d-line or the o-line? Bad qb play or bad lb play? The Saints had a losing record it must have been the center's fault(love to bring that up). Just because he had a losing record does not mean he cant still be a positional coach does it? Reminds me of that great offense from the Dolphins this year. Their head coach gets fired then gets an OC job.

papz	01-25-2008 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 152691)

Pappy, you are truly sad. You were the one comparing the hiring of Ogeron to that of Tomlin. I PROVED to you that they are about as opposite as apples and oranges. So I guess Tomlin had future, budding all pro's at CINCY and therefore his coaching was not as good as say, oh yeah, Ogeron who supposedly could recruit talent as good as anyone in the land! See what I did there, I made you look like your arguement is much like your head. Full of holes. You sit here and compare Tomlin getting a pro job to that of Ogeron. I bring you FACTS that Tomlin moved up to the pro's after an outstanding last season in college. I also bring up Ogeron's PATHETIC record at Ole Miss, yet you dismiss it and say, oh well, who cares what he did at Ole Miss. Forget he only won THREE games against quality SEC opponents. He should be hired in the big leagues by a team who was pathetic on defense the year before.

Clearly my point flew right over your head... which was expected. I used your own argument against you and you still didn't get it. I suggest you go back to page two re-read what you wrote on page 2, understand it, and re-read my last post. If you still don't get it, oh well.

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Here you go big shot, how many college coaches who were fired at the college level go on the be HEAD coaches in the NFL? Good luck finding that list.

He's becoming a defensive line coach... not head coach. So I really don't get the point that you're making. Come on let's try to stay focused on the subject at hand.

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Yeah, man, I'm pretty weak.

That you are... that you are.

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On the Gibbs subject, seem to remember him having some pretty good talent at Dallas, yet....... Also had some pretty good talent at Oklahoma when he was there and ............

Yet you still don't get the point he's making. Sad.

WVSaint

01-25-2008 08:54 AM

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just a quick read on orgeron.....

SunHerald.com : COACH O WILL HELP SAINTS' D

"Orgeron was known for his recruiting prowess more than anything while at USC and many of the players suiting up for this week's Senior Bowl events played for the Trojans because of Orgeron.

He recruited highly touted USC defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis and linebacker Keith Rivers, both of whom were probably already on the Saints' radar for April's draft."

ScottBalot

01-25-2008 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 152691)

On the Gibbs subject, seem to remember him having some pretty good talent at Dallas, yet....... Also had some pretty good talent at Oklahoma when he was there and ............

2005 Dallas had 10th ranked Defense in NFL
2004 Dallas had 16th ranked Defense in NFL
2003 Dallas had 1st ranked Defense in NFL

he did have some good talent in Dallas, and as LB coach there, he did a good job.

At Oklahoma he served as D Coordinator from 1981-88, won Nat. Champ in 1985, defense led the NCAA for three years 1985,86, and 87. I'd say when he's got talent, he does a good job.

bulldog1865

01-25-2008 09:20 AM

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saintsmissile... you are just mad because Ogeron and Ole Miss gave LSU all they could handle the past two years in a row. Stop your whining, its not like he'll be calling any plays.

NarwhalHunter

01-25-2008 11:07 AM

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I'm pretty sure being a positions coach is pretty universal. If anything, it would be easier in the pros as he'll have a much greater pool of talent to draw from.

biloxi-indian

01-25-2008 11:51 AM

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One of Orgeron's biggest fans appears to be Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin. As Orgeron spoke with a group of reporters about taking the Saints' job, Kiffin chimed in and gave his opinion on Orgeron, who worked with his son, Lane Kiffin, under Carroll at USC. Lane Kiffin just completed his first season as Oakland Raiders coach.

"Let me say something right here, men: This is a ball coach," Kiffin said as he hugged and congratulated Orgeron. "I'm going to tell you right now this guy can flat coach. If you are a great coach, it doesn't matter what level you are at; he will be a great coach in the NFL. I love this guy."

Rivals.com College Football - Orgeron heads to NFL for post with Saints

missle, I appreciate your enthusiasm, passion for Saints success, and opinions, however, in this case Monte Kiffin opinion takes precedent!

LordOfEntropy

01-25-2008 03:51 PM

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I say give him a chance. In fact, I'm somewhat excited about the potential here.

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