Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach

QBREES9 · 01-23-2008, 05:37 PM

Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach - Sports - NOLA.com

Orgeron spent seven seasons at Southern Cal, where he earned a reputation as one of the top defensive line coaches and one of the top recruiters in the country. He has also coached at Miami, Syracuse, Arkansas and Nicholls State. He began his coaching career as a graduate assistant at Northwestern State, then at McNeese State.

"His reputation precedes him," Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis said. "He's a fantastic coach. He's done a great job at every place that he's been. And we got so many recommendations from people that have worked with him and played for him, that it was kind of overwhelming to be honest with you."

SapperSaint · 01-24-2008, 07:06 AM

No comment other than what I've already said about this. Well, I guess we will just have to wait and see. I hope I have to eat some crow on this.

SapperSaint · 01-24-2008, 09:56 AM

WHOA!

You seem to be on a negative roll today Missile. I like it, keep the fire burning.

Crusader · 01-24-2008, 10:03 AM

I don't see how a guy not being a good head coach automaticly disqualifies him from being a good position coach. Look att Haslett, he sucked as a HC but is a pretty good LB coach.

SapperSaint · 01-24-2008, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

not liking the non proactive way the Saints are handling the offseason. Not one bit.

I thought this was a prerequisite to being a Saints fan.

I feel your pain brother. It use to make me sick to my stomach, but there is nothing we as fans can do to change it. Look what it took for Payton to get another kicker this year. Gramatica may not be the first choice for many of us but he's a heck of alot better than Mare.

Sometimes it is like this team has to get

about a million times before they wake up to address only ONE problem. I just don't understand sometimes why they do what they do.

papz · 01-24-2008, 10:45 AM

He's had 15 plus years experience coaching mostly with the DL... I think it's a good hire. He's paid his dues and I think he's going to be a good addition to our staff. I think it's extremely premature to throw him under the bus.

Cortez Kennedy, Russell Maryland, Warren Sapp, Kenechi Udeze, and Mike Patterson are some of the guys he's coached during his career.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-24-2008, 11:51 AM

I agree with Crusader's sentiment. I don't see how not succeeding in one place as head coach disqualifies him as a position coach somewhere else.

As for not being proactive in the offseason, well, it ain't the offseason just yet. The FA period doesn't start until next month; the combine is a couple months away.

The 2 things the Saints can do at this time is:
1.- call on NFL coaches that have been fired somewhere else, but that would be the same case as Orgegon, no?
2.- Ask permission to talk to coaches under contract from other teams not playing anymore, which other teams may or may not grant, or the coach in question may or may not want to go somewhere else if he's successful in his present situation and he's not offered a HC position.

Budsdrinker · 01-24-2008, 11:59 AM

Just because a coach didn't do well at one team doesn't mean he is a bad coach. Look at Billicheck, he was fired in Cleveland years ago and people said he would never amount to much as a coach and just look at him now.
Give Orgeron a chance. It's not like he is the HC or DC.

biloxi-indian · 01-24-2008, 12:15 PM

I was just listening to Sirius and a caller asked about the Orgeron hire with the Saints. The guys on Sirius said "Eddie was a great hire for the Saints. He fits their scheme and you can bet the defensive linemen will be in shape and run to the ball". High intensity coach that will expect nothing but 100% from his players. They went futher on to say "you can bet Grant and Smith will lose weight".

papz · 01-24-2008, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

You guys kill me. Do you not follow college football at all? Go check out his antics while at Ole Miss and you'll see this guy is a clown.

I follow it enough that he was considered one of the premiere DL coaches in college... obviously you knew that. You also knew that McFadden is Peterson with blazing speed... right.

You mentioned all those great players he supposedly "coached". Might have something to do with their talent over his ability to coach.

Supposedly? It's a FACT he coached those players. You can have all the God given talent and without proper coaching, it will amount to nothing. Examples... Adrian McPherson, Talman Gardner, Courtney Brown, Heath Shuler, etc.

Paid his dues? Yeah, okay. He has ZERO NFL experience, yet you feel this qualifies him to come on board and be a coach in the NFL. Have you all forgotten that after being fired from Ole Miss he did not get ONE offer from a college to to coach there? That right there tells you something.

Mike Tomlin worked his way from being a graduate assistant at Memphis to becoming a head coach for the Pittsburg Steelers. What qualified him making that jump from being a college assistant to becoming NFL position's coach? And so what if he got fired from Ole Miss... he played in the best conference in college football and had to recruit against the powerhouses of the SEC. Some people just are cut out to be a head coach.

If your main argument is that he won't cut because he got fired from Ole Miss, that's beyond WEAK...

Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach - Sports - NOLA.com

01-23-2008, 05:37 PM	#1
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach - Sports - NOLA.com Orgeron spent seven seasons at Southern Cal, where he earned a reputation as one of the top defensive line coaches and one of the top recruiters in the country. He has also coached at Miami, Syracuse, Arkansas and Nicholls State. He began his coaching career as a graduate assistant at Northwestern State, then at McNeese State. "His reputation precedes him," Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis said. "He's a fantastic coach. He's done a great job at every place that he's been. And we got so many recommendations from people that have worked with him and played for him, that it was kind of overwhelming to be honest with you."
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01-24-2008, 07:06 AM	#2
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach No comment other than what I've already said about this. Well, I guess we will just have to wait and see. I hope I have to eat some crow on this.

01-24-2008, 09:56 AM	#3
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach WHOA! You seem to be on a negative roll today Missile. I like it, keep the fire burning.

01-24-2008, 10:03 AM	#4
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,017	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach I don't see how a guy not being a good head coach automaticly disqualifies him from being a good position coach. Look att Haslett, he sucked as a HC but is a pretty good LB coach.

01-24-2008, 10:07 AM	#5
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach Originally Posted by saintsmissile not liking the non proactive way the Saints are handling the offseason. Not one bit. I thought this was a prerequisite to being a Saints fan. I feel your pain brother. It use to make me sick to my stomach, but there is nothing we as fans can do to change it. Look what it took for Payton to get another kicker this year. Gramatica may not be the first choice for many of us but he's a heck of alot better than Mare. Sometimes it is like this team has to get about a million times before they wake up to address only ONE problem. I just don't understand sometimes why they do what they do.
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01-24-2008, 10:45 AM	#6
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach He's had 15 plus years experience coaching mostly with the DL... I think it's a good hire. He's paid his dues and I think he's going to be a good addition to our staff. I think it's extremely premature to throw him under the bus. Cortez Kennedy, Russell Maryland, Warren Sapp, Kenechi Udeze, and Mike Patterson are some of the guys he's coached during his career.

01-24-2008, 11:51 AM	#7
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach I agree with Crusader's sentiment. I don't see how not succeeding in one place as head coach disqualifies him as a position coach somewhere else. As for not being proactive in the offseason, well, it ain't the offseason just yet. The FA period doesn't start until next month; the combine is a couple months away. The 2 things the Saints can do at this time is: 1.- call on NFL coaches that have been fired somewhere else, but that would be the same case as Orgegon, no? 2.- Ask permission to talk to coaches under contract from other teams not playing anymore, which other teams may or may not grant, or the coach in question may or may not want to go somewhere else if he's successful in his present situation and he's not offered a HC position.
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01-24-2008, 11:59 AM	#8
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach Just because a coach didn't do well at one team doesn't mean he is a bad coach. Look at Billicheck, he was fired in Cleveland years ago and people said he would never amount to much as a coach and just look at him now. Give Orgeron a chance. It's not like he is the HC or DC.

01-24-2008, 12:15 PM	#9
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach I was just listening to Sirius and a caller asked about the Orgeron hire with the Saints. The guys on Sirius said "Eddie was a great hire for the Saints. He fits their scheme and you can bet the defensive linemen will be in shape and run to the ball". High intensity coach that will expect nothing but 100% from his players. They went futher on to say "you can bet Grant and Smith will lose weight".

01-24-2008, 03:01 PM	#10
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Re: Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach Originally Posted by saintsmissile You guys kill me. Do you not follow college football at all? Go check out his antics while at Ole Miss and you'll see this guy is a clown. I follow it enough that he was considered one of the premiere DL coaches in college... obviously you knew that. You also knew that McFadden is Peterson with blazing speed... right. You mentioned all those great players he supposedly "coached". Might have something to do with their talent over his ability to coach. Supposedly? It's a FACT he coached those players. You can have all the God given talent and without proper coaching, it will amount to nothing. Examples... Adrian McPherson, Talman Gardner, Courtney Brown, Heath Shuler, etc. Paid his dues? Yeah, okay. He has ZERO NFL experience, yet you feel this qualifies him to come on board and be a coach in the NFL. Have you all forgotten that after being fired from Ole Miss he did not get ONE offer from a college to to coach there? That right there tells you something. Mike Tomlin worked his way from being a graduate assistant at Memphis to becoming a head coach for the Pittsburg Steelers. What qualified him making that jump from being a college assistant to becoming NFL position's coach? And so what if he got fired from Ole Miss... he played in the best conference in college football and had to recruit against the powerhouses of the SEC. Some people just are cut out to be a head coach. If your main argument is that he won't cut because he got fired from Ole Miss, that's beyond WEAK... Saints hire Orgeron as defensive line coach - Sports - NOLA.com
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