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Re: my thoughts on Gary Gibbs

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Originally Posted by ScottBalot (Post 153303)

name the Saints' starters on defense that would start elsewhere in the league

Too be honest the question should be ranked. The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.

We have players that could play as Starters on teams ranked in an order such as this but that is not the point. Looking at the defense we have some really smart veterans that just do not have the legs to keep up with these younger guys. when the influx of youth starts, they will be worth thier weight in gold for the knowledge they have.
I look at the defense and see a team that has great depth but lacks true starters. Our bench is solid. I really like the moves at LB. The addition of Evens and McCoy were solid moves. They may develope into starters or they may not. It does not matter. They are great additions to the special teams. If called apon they will serve well as backups.
This all I can point out at this time. The team has made strides in the backup players. The old timers now need some younger guys that will push them for playing time.
Gibbs is up and it is up to him to keep his job. Bullocks was given the same chance and failedto what extent that is yet to be determined.
So Kevin will probably become the starter next year unless their is a big change in Bullocks play in camp. Right now he is trade bait. Way to many tall, ball hawking CB in this draft to pass up. Many are good in run support to. If a CB/S is drafted that is 6+ feet tall and a bit slow for CB, look for Bullocks to be moved. The money just does not add up for him to stay. Let us see what new secondary coach Dennis Allen does.

Re: my thoughts on Gary Gibbs

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 153323)

Yes, Gibbs did pretty well his first year against one of the easiest schedules in the NFL. Case in point: Jim Haslett's first year here. Say what you will man. I complain that our draft was terrible and then get comments like, "what do you mean? Our draft wasn't that bad" and then I also comment that we were cheap in FA last year and get "we went out and signed some decent players". Yet, in your own arguement, you say we don't have the players! Something has to give. Either you blame the front office and ultimately Sean Payton for not bringing in the players we need OR you have to blame the coaching staff for not coaching up the talent we have. Take your pick. I think it's a combination of both. However, I say now and will continue to say that Gibbs runs a SOFT defense that doesn't put fear into anyone. The guy almost feels like he will get fined if he blitzes more than 3 times a game. You can blame it on players all your want, but anyone who watched our Philly game this year can't seriously sit there and say our defensive scheme is not flawed. Philly could never be considered an offensive powerhouse last year and watch them against us. A 97 yard drive for a td? Come on man. Gibbs has to take a big chunk of responsibility for the issues on defense. I take Detroit as an example. Martz first year as offensive coordinator was considered somewhat of a success considering past offensive woes. What happens? He stinks it up his second year and is consequently fired and rightfully so. I think the same should have happened with Gibbs. Don't care what you say.

Can't really comment on previous discussions you've had with other posters regarding FA or last year's draft other than to say that my "pick" is there is a serious deficiency of talent on the defensive side of the ball. I watched the Philly game, and watched Josh Bullocks two yards deep in the backfield with a clear shot at Westbrook on 3rd and short, and Bullocks flat out whiffed. Gibbs called the right defense, had his man in position to make a play, and his man didn't execute. I also watched Gibbs call plenty of blitzes, in which the Saints' defenders got to the quarterback one second too late, and watched the DB's get beat. I would be gun shy to blitz too if I didn't have the personnel to effectively blitz opposing QB's and got burned every time I did blitz due to no strength in personnel match ups. You give Martz as an example of what you would do in regards to firing. Based on your standards, you would have fired Jim Schwartz of Tennessee after 2006 for finishing with the 32nd ranked defense in the NFL. Tennessee's defense this year was ranked 5th this year. You would have also fired Steve Spagnola of the Giants, whose defense finished 25th in 2006. Giants defense ranked 7th this year and won the Super Bowl.

Re: my thoughts on Gary Gibbs

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 153358)

Man oh man. Excuses, excuses. Okay, I'll bite. So, if we DO get some new players etc in and we STILL don't perform on D, what then? I guess Gibbs just had a cold or something. So, from watching film of last year and actually seeing the games live, it was apparent we couldn't blitz effectively and couldn't play straight up either. Wow, quite a combo. It's just like that old J.McKay comment from Tampa Bay when a reporter asked him, "what about your defense"? and he responded, "I'm all for it". Or something to that effect. Some of the best coaches around take the talent they have and make best use of it. Not every good defense is loaded with all star talent. Some are just very technically sound and well coached. So, I guess you're saying that if we don't have fantastic talent each and every year we can expect what we got this year? Funny how everyone was saying Grant, Smith, Fujita, McKenzie, Harper, Bullocks and H.Thomas were pretty darn good before last year. Now, apparently, we have basically ZERO good players and it's all their fault and none of the coordinators. Sounds like hogwash to me.

no one said the Saints need to get loaded with star talent, just better talent than what they have now. You are all over the place, and not making much sense. Bottom line, Giants run the basically the same defense scheme-wise. Difference is Giants front four get pressure, Saints front four don't. Same scheme, different talent. And like I stated in a previous post on this thread, if they do upgrade the talent, and the defense still stinks, I'll be the first to call for Gibbs' head. If you want to just throw out all of the facts and ignore the truth, then fine. Keep on railing against Gibbs if it makes you feel better, no matter how ridiculous you sound.

Re: my thoughts on Gary Gibbs

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 153323)

However, I say now and will continue to say that Gibbs runs a SOFT defense that doesn't put fear into anyone. The guy almost feels like he will get fined if he blitzes more than 3 times a game. You can blame it on players all your want, but anyone who watched our Philly game this year can't seriously sit there and say our defensive scheme is not flawed. Philly could never be considered an offensive powerhouse last year and watch them against us. .

Once again, you blame the defensive scheme. The same scheme just held one of the best offenses in NFL history to 14 pts. What's the difference between the Giants and Saints? personnel, particularly the front seven. You claim that Philly could never be considered an offensive powerhouse last year. You are right, they were only the sixth best offense in the NFL.

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What EXACTLY are all the FACTS? All over the place? I'm in the same place I was all along. Gibbs stinks. Okay, let's go this direction. Take yourself back to before the regular season. Now, if you were to analyze our defensive talent, I bet you would have said:

W.Smith-impact defensive player
C.Grant-better than avg DE with some playmaking ability
H.Thomas-big space eater who will help stop the run
A.Lake-Good rotation guy with some pass rush skills
K.Clancy-Decent rotational DT will add some depth
Fujita-Better than avg and an impact playmaker for our D
Shanle-Impressive first year with Saints, should only improve
Simineau-Suprised with his play, but better as a backup
Bullocks-Many say he's a great athete and budding FS star
Harper-good run stuffer and is a young, good SS
McKenzie-Our best DB by far
J.David-will solidify and improve over Fred Thomas
Kaesvaharn-will be the ballhawk nickle/backup FS we've been looking for
Brian Simmons-will almost cerainly start over Simineau

Sound familiar? Funny, how you are throwing these guys under the bus after so many thought they were so good before the year started? Yeah, guess the coaching is fine, it's all the players that suck. Weird thing is, a year ago almost all of us thought we UPGRADED our talent from the year before? Funny huh? Here's a novel idea, just like you can upgrade your player talent, "there is such a thing as upgrading the coaching talent"!

You obviously think the Saints didn't do anything to upgrade their talent last offseason, correct? You keep pointing out how the Saints missed on personnel, yet you are arguing that they were good enough personnel-wise and that it was coaching. Did the scheme change from 2006 to 2007? uhh, no. Did the Saints start basically a rookie with Harper, and decided to let him go through some growing pains? yes. Was Charles Grant healthy all season long? no Was Bryan Young healthy all season long? no Was Jason David healthy all season long? no You claim that they played a weak schedule in 2006. The Saints played 8 teams with offenses ranked in the top 15 in 2006. The Saints played 6 teams with offenses ranked in the top 15 in 2007. Oops. Go look at the Saints drafts since 2001, and tell me how many starters they've been able to draft on defense? Compare them to the offense. I think you'll find one of the big reasons the offense is better than the defense when you do. You can't make chicked salad out of chicken dump.