A GIANT Championship BLUEPrint for the Saints to follow.

Tobias-Reiper · 02-04-2008, 08:25 AM

1.- Stop with this "blueprint" stuff. You ain't building a bridge.

2.- If I'm not mistaken, the Patriots were up 14-10 with 2:42 in the game. It was the Giants offense who won that game with 3 outstanding plays within those 2:42 converting a 4th and inches; on a 3rd and 5 Eli scrambling and escaping the grasp of multiple defenders and the incredible catch by Tyree with that cheapshot all over his back; and on a 3rd and 11 Smith catching a ball and diving to the marker and out of bounds.

The reality is that any team needs balance; a team as to have good play on all three aspects of the team: offense, defense, and special teams to win a championship.

SapperSaint · 02-04-2008, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

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The reality is that any team needs balance; a team as to have good play on all three aspects of the team: offense, defense, and special teams to win a championship.

Great point T-R.
One part of the Giants DID NOT beat the Pats. It was a total team effort. NO, Our secondary could not have done what NY's did late in the weening seconds of the game. Moss WOULD HAVE caught the ball and Gostokowiski would have tied the game (If Moss didn't run it in first), and the Pats would have won.

The Giants have been the "Total Package" for the last 5 games. They were ignored by all the wrong people and played almost "PERFECT" football. I'm happy for them, their fans, and the Mannings.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-04-2008, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

1.- Stop with this "blueprint" stuff. You ain't building a bridge.

We want to build a consistent winner here. That requires a plan. A blueprint.

2.- If I'm not mistaken, the Patriots were up 14-10 with 2:42 in the game. It was the Giants offense who won that game with 3 outstanding plays within those 2:42 converting a 4th and inches; on a 3rd and 5 Eli scrambling and escaping the grasp of multiple defenders and the incredible catch by Tyree with that cheapshot all over his back; and on a 3rd and 11 Smith catching a ball and diving to the marker and out of bounds.

No disagreement here. But defense on both sides caused that to happen. Without the Giants defense, the score wouldn't have been 14-10. And if the New England defense produced a stop on the final drive, the outcome would have been different.

It's like the old baseball adage: Great Pitching always stops great hitting.

The reality is that any team needs balance; a team as to have good play on all three aspects of the team: offense, defense, and special teams to win a championship.

But you can't do it without defense. The 2000 Ravens had an average offense at best. Same for the 1985 Bears. Outstanding defense and average offense can win championships. But the opposite never happens. There has not been one instance in 42 years in the NFL where a team with a great offense and an average defense has even gotten a sniff of the championship. Each and every time you see a great offense, there's always a great defense attached.

So that leads me right back to point #1:

Defense wins championships.

SFIAH

Tobias-Reiper · 02-04-2008, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

We want to build a consistent winner here. That requires a plan. A blueprint.

No disagreement here. But defense on both sides caused that to happen. Without the Giants defense, the score wouldn't have been 14-10. And if the New England defense produced a stop on the final drive, the outcome would have been different.

It's like the old baseball adage: Great Pitching always stops great hitting.

But you can't do it without defense. The 2000 Ravens had an average offense at best. Same for the 1985 Bears. Outstanding defense and average offense can win championships. But the opposite never happens. There has not been one instance in 42 years in the NFL where a team with a great offense and an average defense has even gotten a sniff of the championship. Each and every time you see a great offense, there's always a great defense attached.

So that leads me right back to point #1:

Defense wins championships.

SFIAH

The '85 Bears had an "average" offense? That's news to me. The '85 Bears are arguably the best defense in NFL history, but their offense was very good., with McMahon, Gault, Sweetness (heck Payton won Offensive Player of the Year that year); an O-line that had Keith Van Horne and Jay Hillenberg... that was a very good offense, and scored a lot of points.

Everyone loves to bring up the 2000 Ravens when talking about the "defense wins championships" cliche. Ok. They had a mediocre offense and a great defense. Anyone else you care to mention? You can't, because save for the Ravens, all other teams were balanced teams.
Go check it yourself.
http://ww.nfl.com/superbowl/history?campaign=gsi_g
Other than the Ravens, find me a team that was unbalanced and won the SB. Even the losers were balanced.

You can mention the Ravens all you want, but then there's the 1995 Steelers and the 2003 Panthers, both outstanding defenses ( I believe both ranked 1st those seasons) who lost the SB to more balanced teams which had defenses not as well regarded.

And we are just talking SBs here, but I'll leave you with this thought:
If it is true that defenses win championships, why isn't that the Saints have no SB rings?

02-04-2008, 08:25 AM	#1
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: A GIANT Championship BLUEPrint for the Saints to follow. 1.- Stop with this "blueprint" stuff. You ain't building a bridge. 2.- If I'm not mistaken, the Patriots were up 14-10 with 2:42 in the game. It was the Giants offense who won that game with 3 outstanding plays within those 2:42 converting a 4th and inches; on a 3rd and 5 Eli scrambling and escaping the grasp of multiple defenders and the incredible catch by Tyree with that cheapshot all over his back; and on a 3rd and 11 Smith catching a ball and diving to the marker and out of bounds. The reality is that any team needs balance; a team as to have good play on all three aspects of the team: offense, defense, and special teams to win a championship.
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02-04-2008, 09:24 AM	#2
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: A GIANT Championship BLUEPrint for the Saints to follow. Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper 1.- The reality is that any team needs balance; a team as to have good play on all three aspects of the team: offense, defense, and special teams to win a championship. Great point T-R. One part of the Giants DID NOT beat the Pats. It was a total team effort. NO, Our secondary could not have done what NY's did late in the weening seconds of the game. Moss WOULD HAVE caught the ball and Gostokowiski would have tied the game (If Moss didn't run it in first), and the Pats would have won. The Giants have been the "Total Package" for the last 5 games. They were ignored by all the wrong people and played almost "PERFECT" football. I'm happy for them, their fans, and the Mannings.
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02-04-2008, 10:27 AM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: A GIANT Championship BLUEPrint for the Saints to follow. Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper 1.- Stop with this "blueprint" stuff. You ain't building a bridge. We want to build a consistent winner here. That requires a plan. A blueprint. 2.- If I'm not mistaken, the Patriots were up 14-10 with 2:42 in the game. It was the Giants offense who won that game with 3 outstanding plays within those 2:42 converting a 4th and inches; on a 3rd and 5 Eli scrambling and escaping the grasp of multiple defenders and the incredible catch by Tyree with that cheapshot all over his back; and on a 3rd and 11 Smith catching a ball and diving to the marker and out of bounds. No disagreement here. But defense on both sides caused that to happen. Without the Giants defense, the score wouldn't have been 14-10. And if the New England defense produced a stop on the final drive, the outcome would have been different. It's like the old baseball adage: Great Pitching always stops great hitting. The reality is that any team needs balance; a team as to have good play on all three aspects of the team: offense, defense, and special teams to win a championship. But you can't do it without defense. The 2000 Ravens had an average offense at best. Same for the 1985 Bears. Outstanding defense and average offense can win championships. But the opposite never happens. There has not been one instance in 42 years in the NFL where a team with a great offense and an average defense has even gotten a sniff of the championship. Each and every time you see a great offense, there's always a great defense attached. So that leads me right back to point #1: Defense wins championships. SFIAH
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02-04-2008, 11:56 AM	#4
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: A GIANT Championship BLUEPrint for the Saints to follow. Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL We want to build a consistent winner here. That requires a plan. A blueprint. No disagreement here. But defense on both sides caused that to happen. Without the Giants defense, the score wouldn't have been 14-10. And if the New England defense produced a stop on the final drive, the outcome would have been different. It's like the old baseball adage: Great Pitching always stops great hitting. But you can't do it without defense. The 2000 Ravens had an average offense at best. Same for the 1985 Bears. Outstanding defense and average offense can win championships. But the opposite never happens. There has not been one instance in 42 years in the NFL where a team with a great offense and an average defense has even gotten a sniff of the championship. Each and every time you see a great offense, there's always a great defense attached. So that leads me right back to point #1: Defense wins championships. SFIAH The '85 Bears had an "average" offense? That's news to me. The '85 Bears are arguably the best defense in NFL history, but their offense was very good., with McMahon, Gault, Sweetness (heck Payton won Offensive Player of the Year that year); an O-line that had Keith Van Horne and Jay Hillenberg... that was a very good offense, and scored a lot of points. Everyone loves to bring up the 2000 Ravens when talking about the "defense wins championships" cliche. Ok. They had a mediocre offense and a great defense. Anyone else you care to mention? You can't, because save for the Ravens, all other teams were balanced teams. Go check it yourself. http://ww.nfl.com/superbowl/history?campaign=gsi_g Other than the Ravens, find me a team that was unbalanced and won the SB. Even the losers were balanced. You can mention the Ravens all you want, but then there's the 1995 Steelers and the 2003 Panthers, both outstanding defenses ( I believe both ranked 1st those seasons) who lost the SB to more balanced teams which had defenses not as well regarded. And we are just talking SBs here, but I'll leave you with this thought: If it is true that defenses win championships, why isn't that the Saints have no SB rings?
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