A GIANT Championship BLUEPrint for the Saints to follow.

andersen · 02-04-2008, 09:17 AM

Without the pass rush throughout the game (1st -4th) Brady would have done what he did to everyone else. It was the pressure. He hates it, every QB hates it. We don't have the players the NYG have on defense or the schemes to use.

NarwhalHunter · 02-04-2008, 11:40 AM

Preach it SFIAH. The offense is more than good enough to do the job; if the D was just above-average we'd be perennial contenders.

LordOfEntropy · 02-04-2008, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

The Giants secondary is considered ordinary on a good day. So how did they do it?

Simple.

Yes, very simple. The answer? - Don't let the Patriots know what your signal calls are or which plays you're going to run before the game. Do that, and the great vaunted Pats offense - the most "prolific offense in history" - can only score 14 points.

Simple.

Euphoria · 02-04-2008, 12:59 PM

The one reason why the Giants were playing in the Super Bowl and not the Saints... PASS RUSH. DC, also mapped out a hell of a coverage package to keep Moss in check and coached his guys to play disiplined football which we totall lack.

BIGEASY504 · 02-04-2008, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Defense wins championships.

Let me repeat...

Defense wins championships.

Earlier in the week Tom Brady scoffed at the Burris notion that they'd only score 17 points. They only scored 14.

Defense wins championships.

The Giants secondary is considered ordinary on a good day. So how did they do it?

Simple.

Stop the run. Pressure the QB.

And that's what the Saints need to do. When the QB only has 1.5 seconds to get rid of the ball or be sacked, All balls coming out are going to be short. Then all the defensive backfield has to do is get the receiver down.

We need to continue to work on our front seven. I think there's a nucleus there with Grant (hope dude is OK), Smith, Thomas, and Fujita. But we need to shore them up with a couple of athletic rangy LBs that can rush the passer and a dominant DT that can collapse the pocket. Then follow it up with a pressure scheme that makes QBs uncomfortable.

Look at the defenses that gave the Patriots trouble during the year: Baltimore, Philly, the Giants. All had the same gameplan.

Defense wins championships.

I hope the Saints take this GIANT BLUEprint to heart.

SFIAH

Stop the run. Pressure the QB. For the most part this is the blue print for every team in league some excute it better than others and the Saints are a few players in the front 7 away from that so I agree with your assessment

Euphoria · 02-04-2008, 02:45 PM

I'd say we are 7 players short of a front 7 capable of doing what the Giants were able to do last night.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-06-2008, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I'd say we are 7 players short of a front 7 capable of doing what the Giants were able to do last night.

Probably 4. Smith is capable. Grant is solid. Fujita works. I'm not sure how Thomas fits. I do know that he needs a stud starting next to him. The two LB slots are unfilled.

There's no way to replace the entire front 7. We have to work with some players on the staff.

SFIAH

LordOfEntropy · 02-04-2008, 03:36 PM

Well I'm just happy the Giants pulled it off. Kudos to them. And not because I particularly like those Giants, which I don't.

1) the unbeatable Pats are ruined
2) their "perfect" season is now so much wind
3) the most prolific offense in history can only score 14
4) acknowledged longterm cheating didn't help them in the end
5) Eli stuck it to them in the two-minute drill
6) back to back Mannings as SB MVP's

I'm telling you, it couldn't have been scripted any better than that.

MatthewT · 02-04-2008, 08:15 PM

The Giants also may have proved another thing. There is no room on a team for disruptive players, also known as team cancers. Tiki retiring from the the NFL was a positive, talented but high maintenance Jeremy Shockey getting hurt seemed to help, and the complete turnaround in overall attitude by Burress was simply huge. I never seen Burress ever play as well as he has this past season. In the past I seen him simply not run complete routes, and rarely stretch for a pass. At least the Saints do not appear to have malcontents on their team, so at least one piece of the puzzle is already complete.

procto · 02-05-2008, 07:18 AM

SFIAH.....i logged on looking for this comment last night (didnt see it so i posted under the giants D conversation)---

man you gotta quit pounding this defense thing...everyone is on board for the kind of D you are talking about! everybody wants our old saints LB core back in new orleans. I am all about bringing in EVERY defensive player available in free agency as well as new coaches if thats what it takes. BUT....that is not the team we have now! Tobias is right....it takes a good balance to win the SB. our strength will be our offense and drew brees for as long as Peyton is our coach, so lets support it and hope that we can bring some defensive players in to help the cause!

02-04-2008, 09:17 AM	#1
andersen With an "E" Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Madisonville, LA Posts: 429	Re: A GIANT Championship BLUEPrint for the Saints to follow. Without the pass rush throughout the game (1st -4th) Brady would have done what he did to everyone else. It was the pressure. He hates it, every QB hates it. We don't have the players the NYG have on defense or the schemes to use.

02-04-2008, 11:40 AM	#2
NarwhalHunter 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Hattiesburger with Cheese Posts: 146 Blog Entries: 1	Re: A GIANT Championship BLUEPrint for the Saints to follow. Preach it SFIAH. The offense is more than good enough to do the job; if the D was just above-average we'd be perennial contenders.

02-04-2008, 12:34 PM	#3
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: A GIANT Championship BLUEPrint for the Saints to follow. Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL The Giants secondary is considered ordinary on a good day. So how did they do it? Simple. Yes, very simple. The answer? - Don't let the Patriots know what your signal calls are or which plays you're going to run before the game. Do that, and the great vaunted Pats offense - the most "prolific offense in history" - can only score 14 points. Simple.

02-04-2008, 12:59 PM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: A GIANT Championship BLUEPrint for the Saints to follow. The one reason why the Giants were playing in the Super Bowl and not the Saints... PASS RUSH. DC, also mapped out a hell of a coverage package to keep Moss in check and coached his guys to play disiplined football which we totall lack.

02-04-2008, 01:50 PM	#5
BIGEASY504 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 487	Re: A GIANT Championship BLUEPrint for the Saints to follow. Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Defense wins championships. Let me repeat... Defense wins championships. Earlier in the week Tom Brady scoffed at the Burris notion that they'd only score 17 points. They only scored 14. Defense wins championships. The Giants secondary is considered ordinary on a good day. So how did they do it? Simple. Stop the run. Pressure the QB. And that's what the Saints need to do. When the QB only has 1.5 seconds to get rid of the ball or be sacked, All balls coming out are going to be short. Then all the defensive backfield has to do is get the receiver down. We need to continue to work on our front seven. I think there's a nucleus there with Grant (hope dude is OK), Smith, Thomas, and Fujita. But we need to shore them up with a couple of athletic rangy LBs that can rush the passer and a dominant DT that can collapse the pocket. Then follow it up with a pressure scheme that makes QBs uncomfortable. Look at the defenses that gave the Patriots trouble during the year: Baltimore, Philly, the Giants. All had the same gameplan. Defense wins championships. I hope the Saints take this GIANT BLUEprint to heart. SFIAH Stop the run. Pressure the QB. For the most part this is the blue print for every team in league some excute it better than others and the Saints are a few players in the front 7 away from that so I agree with your assessment
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02-04-2008, 02:45 PM	#6
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: A GIANT Championship BLUEPrint for the Saints to follow. I'd say we are 7 players short of a front 7 capable of doing what the Giants were able to do last night.

02-06-2008, 06:25 AM	#7
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: A GIANT Championship BLUEPrint for the Saints to follow. Originally Posted by Euphoria I'd say we are 7 players short of a front 7 capable of doing what the Giants were able to do last night. Probably 4. Smith is capable. Grant is solid. Fujita works. I'm not sure how Thomas fits. I do know that he needs a stud starting next to him. The two LB slots are unfilled. There's no way to replace the entire front 7. We have to work with some players on the staff. SFIAH

02-04-2008, 03:36 PM	#8
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: A GIANT Championship BLUEPrint for the Saints to follow. Well I'm just happy the Giants pulled it off. Kudos to them. And not because I particularly like those Giants, which I don't. 1) the unbeatable Pats are ruined 2) their "perfect" season is now so much wind 3) the most prolific offense in history can only score 14 4) acknowledged longterm cheating didn't help them in the end 5) Eli stuck it to them in the two-minute drill 6) back to back Mannings as SB MVP's I'm telling you, it couldn't have been scripted any better than that.
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02-04-2008, 08:15 PM	#9
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: A GIANT Championship BLUEPrint for the Saints to follow. The Giants also may have proved another thing. There is no room on a team for disruptive players, also known as team cancers. Tiki retiring from the the NFL was a positive, talented but high maintenance Jeremy Shockey getting hurt seemed to help, and the complete turnaround in overall attitude by Burress was simply huge. I never seen Burress ever play as well as he has this past season. In the past I seen him simply not run complete routes, and rarely stretch for a pass. At least the Saints do not appear to have malcontents on their team, so at least one piece of the puzzle is already complete.

02-05-2008, 07:18 AM	#10
procto Registered Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: bossier city Posts: 56	Re: A GIANT Championship BLUEPrint for the Saints to follow. SFIAH.....i logged on looking for this comment last night (didnt see it so i posted under the giants D conversation)--- man you gotta quit pounding this defense thing...everyone is on board for the kind of D you are talking about! everybody wants our old saints LB core back in new orleans. I am all about bringing in EVERY defensive player available in free agency as well as new coaches if thats what it takes. BUT....that is not the team we have now! Tobias is right....it takes a good balance to win the SB. our strength will be our offense and drew brees for as long as Peyton is our coach, so lets support it and hope that we can bring some defensive players in to help the cause!