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QBREES9 02-18-2008 05:24 PM

Bears release WR Muhammed
 
Check out what the bears did.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...o&confirm=true

The Chicago Bears released veteran wide receiver Muhsin Muhammad on Monday, NFL Network's Adam Schefter is reporting.

saintsfan1976 02-18-2008 05:27 PM

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wh-wh-wh-whaaat? :confused:

FireVenturi 02-18-2008 07:01 PM

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wtf are they thinking?

QBREES9 02-18-2008 07:09 PM

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I think he'd look good in a Saints UNI

FireVenturi 02-18-2008 07:12 PM

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He has good hands, not so good speed, but for the right price? we need someone else with dependable hands....especially since I think Colston will be doubled more than ever this year.

MatthewT 02-18-2008 08:21 PM

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I think I would have to pass on him. I love what he did in some past years, but I have a gut feeling he may not have much left. Why would Chicago even consider releasing him if he still has it?

hagan714 02-18-2008 09:19 PM

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That should take Briggs off the FA list. this should free up enough money to keep him and Bernard Berrian along with Grossman. Remember he is 34.

Tobias-Reiper 02-19-2008 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 154121)
I think I would have to pass on him. I love what he did in some past years, but I have a gut feeling he may not have much left. Why would Chicago even consider releasing him if he still has it?


...same reason why their QB depth consists of Grossman, Griese, Orton?
... same reason why they released Thomas Jones?

saintsfan1976 02-19-2008 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 154160)
...same reason why their QB depth consists of Grossman, Griese, Orton?
... same reason why they released Thomas Jones?

IMHO, the Bears are more concerned with signing their defensive FA's.

Talent falls through the cracks every day in the NFL.

Bobaganoosh 02-19-2008 12:18 PM

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Guys, Muhammed is washed up...has been for a while now. He would not be able to come in here and do anything more that what Lance Moore did last year. The guy is done. I would not be surprised to see him have season in 2008 like Horn did in 2007....he is a complete afterthought.

stockman311 02-19-2008 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh (Post 154163)
Guys, Muhammed is washed up...has been for a while now. He would not be able to come in here and do anything more that what Lance Moore did last year. The guy is done. I would not be surprised to see him have season in 2008 like Horn did in 2007....he is a complete afterthought.

Agreed!

We need Defense. Any attempt to go after anyone in Free Agency on the offense except for G or TE seems ludicrous at this time.

Tobias-Reiper 02-19-2008 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh (Post 154163)
Guys, Muhammed is washed up...has been for a while now. He would not be able to come in here and do anything more that what Lance Moore did last year. The guy is done. I would not be surprised to see him have season in 2008 like Horn did in 2007....he is a complete afterthought.

..dude, that's a really strong statement. Mohamed was with the Bears for the past 3 years, in a horrible pass offense. You can't say he's washed up, unless you are equating a receiver being washed up to being on an offense that just plain don't throw the ball because none of the QB's on the roster can.

QBREES9 02-19-2008 09:15 PM

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what about Marty Booker. Younger faster

papz 02-19-2008 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 154189)
..dude, that's a really strong statement. Mohamed was with the Bears for the past 3 years, in a horrible pass offense. You can't say he's washed up, unless you are equating a receiver being washed up to being on an offense that just plain don't throw the ball because none of the QB's on the roster can.

Ditto. You know from the lack of usage of receivers in that horrid offense, Mushin might have added a couple of years left in the league. :)

He may or may not be washed up... no one knows that. It wouldn't hurt to bring him in for a visit. There isn't much depth there at WR with all the free agents we have. Though he wouldn't be my first or maybe even 10th choice, but what's there to lose with a harmless visit.

hagan714 02-20-2008 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 154194)
what about Marty Booker. Younger faster

he is 4 years younger. while 31 beats 35 that is not the direction i would go. pass. lets start talking under 30 please. Go for broke and get
Bryant Johnson, 6-3, 216, 26, Arizona Cardinals
IMO he is a perfect fit for the our style of offense. He can play 1,2 and the #3. 4 year deal and we are set. Would give Mech time to develope and god knows how good he could be with Drew throwing the ball. Both contracts would expire at the same time and then you pick which player you keep. He would keep Colston from getting beat up too. He has been trapped behind some pretty good WR. His contract might not be so bad either. Insentatives would be high but the base would be ok

SapperSaint 02-20-2008 07:55 AM

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Tough call on him, but T-R and Papz make great points. He didn't have a good QB, and I think under Drew, he could have a great year. Heck, sign to a one year contract and go from there.

Bobaganoosh 02-20-2008 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 154189)
..dude, that's a really strong statement. Mohamed was with the Bears for the past 3 years, in a horrible pass offense. You can't say he's washed up, unless you are equating a receiver being washed up to being on an offense that just plain don't throw the ball because none of the QB's on the roster can.

So ALL of it is the qb's fault? You know, Bernard Berrian has been on the same team with him for the last 3 years and he is a free agent too and people seem to have interest in him. Because he still has something left. Moose does not. Roddy White was able to have a career year with Harrington, Leftwich and Redman. Berrian has been solid the last two years with the Bears. Moose wasnt even a contributer when they went to the Super Bowl. The guy is done.

Tobias-Reiper 02-20-2008 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh (Post 154227)
So ALL of it is the qb's fault? You know, Bernard Berrian has been on the same team with him for the last 3 years and he is a free agent too and people seem to have interest in him. Because he still has something left. Moose does not. Roddy White was able to have a career year with Harrington, Leftwich and Redman. Berrian has been solid the last two years with the Bears. Moose wasnt even a contributer when they went to the Super Bowl. The guy is done.

Bob, have you seen the Bears play? And more importantly, have you seen Grossman, Griese, and/or Orton play QB?

As for Berrian, what do you mean by "he still has something left"? ??He's only 27!!. And I can see teams being more interested in him than Moose because he is young, and because no one really knows what he can do with an actual NFL QB since he's really never played with one, but it's not like he's been lighting it up. Last season was the best season of his career by far,and even though he was the primary receiver, and only had 71 catches, and didn't break 1000 yds. The prior 3 years, he was a non-factor, and actually was out-played by Muhammad in 2006 and 2005.

Again, I'm not saying that Muhammad is great, but you can't say he's washed up and that he's been washed up for a while based on him playing the last 3 years for the Bears.

Bobaganoosh 02-20-2008 01:38 PM

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What i mean by he has something left is the fact that he actually has something left and Moose doesnt. I know he is only 27, but he is not being looked down at because he played with the Bears. Moose is 35...is that not registering with you. I will be if you ask any Bears fan they will tell you he is washed up. just like last year, any real Saints fan would have told the people in atlanta that Horn was washed up. Moose played every game last year and only caught 40 passes. Do you think he would come in here and top that? of course he wouldnt. Do you think he would be anything better than our 4th option here? of course he wouldnt. Do you think that he thinks New Orleans is the ideal place for him? of course not. He is not someone that do anything good for this team.

yeah lets bring in a 35 year old receiver...thats just what we need.

papz 02-20-2008 01:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh (Post 154227)
So ALL of it is the qb's fault? You know, Bernard Berrian has been on the same team with him for the last 3 years and he is a free agent too and people seem to have interest in him. Because he still has something left. Moose does not. Roddy White was able to have a career year with Harrington, Leftwich and Redman. Berrian has been solid the last two years with the Bears. Moose wasnt even a contributer when they went to the Super Bowl. The guy is done.

Carolina Panthers general manager Marty Hurney said he plans to inquire about two well-known veteran players who were officially released by other teams on Tuesday -- tight end Alge Crumpler and receiver Muhsin Muhammad.

-- Gaston Gazette

One would think Berrian would have something left in the tank as he's only 27 and entering his prime.

Atlanta threw the ball 40 times a game... someone's got to catch the ball.

Tobias-Reiper 02-20-2008 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh (Post 154233)
What i mean by he has something left is the fact that he actually has something left and Moose doesnt. I know he is only 27, but he is not being looked down at because he played with the Bears. Moose is 35...is that not registering with you. I will be if you ask any Bears fan they will tell you he is washed up. just like last year, any real Saints fan would have told the people in atlanta that Horn was washed up. Moose played every game last year and only caught 40 passes. Do you think he would come in here and top that? of course he wouldnt. Do you think he would be anything better than our 4th option here? of course he wouldnt. Do you think that he thinks New Orleans is the ideal place for him? of course not. He is not someone that do anything good for this team.

yeah lets bring in a 35 year old receiver...thats just what we need.

He's still 34, he's got a couple months...

Here's a group of 34-35 year old WRs that you wouldn't want to have on your team because they are 34-35.

ESPN - Marvin Harrison Stats, News, Photos - Indianapolis Colts - NFL Football
ESPN - Donald Driver Stats, News, Photos - Green Bay Packers - NFL Football
ESPN - Terrell Owens Stats, News, Photos - Dallas Cowboys - NFL Football
ESPN - Derrick Mason Stats, News, Photos - Baltimore Ravens - NFL Football
ESPN - Bobby Engram Stats, News, Photos - Seattle Seahawks - NFL Football


As for Horn, he's been on the decline due to injuries since 2005, playing for a pass-happy offense, and we witnessed that decline.

Muhammad, on the other hand, for the past 3 years, has caught balls thrown by Rex Grossman, Kyle Orton, and Bob Griese. Are you trying to tell me that has nothing to do with his numbers? Come on!!

What's up with you today?

Bobaganoosh 02-20-2008 02:40 PM

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There are always exceptions to every rule. Harrison and Owens are just freaks who know how to take care of their body. Driver and Engram were better athletes than Moose to begin with. That may be my major point, he wasnt a super talented guy to begin with. And now, the few physical traits he had are diminishing even more. I am sure you can say the QB play didnt help him any, just like fans of Grossman will tell you that his WR's made him look worse. Grossman threw for a bunch of yards and TD's during their super bowl run, and not much of that was because of Muhammed.

I see where you are coming from, but at the same time, i stand firm in saying that the Saints shouldnt even care that he is a free agent. He in no way would help this team. He brings nothing to the table that would justify us signing him. If the Saints are dead set in bringing in another WR, i say they go after Ernest Wilford. A big guy, good hands, not a lot of breakaway speed, and he still has something to prove. He is what Moose was 8 years ago.

hagan714 02-20-2008 07:20 PM

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Ernest Wilford ? really? So I am guessing the QB's killed him. Hmmm have to ponder that one

NarwhalHunter 02-20-2008 08:46 PM

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We could look at Moose. We could all wear blue wigs and call ourselves Sally.

...or we could just go after DEFENSIVE free agents instead of building up a position that we don't really need much help at. Why do we still have these conversations?

Bobaganoosh 02-21-2008 12:07 PM

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yes, defense is the major concern...but how can you say we dont have a need at WR...we only have 3 of them on the roster...and i am not counting Skyler Green because he is a fringe NFL player. We have Colston, Moore, and meachem...thats it...how can you say we dont have a need at WR?

NarwhalHunter 02-21-2008 12:48 PM

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Colston, Meachem and Moore should be a pretty solid trio if Moore keeps developing and Meachem gets rolling. Plus you have to think they'll bring back either Patten or Copper, and Reggie fills the role of everyman when it comes to catching passes and playing decoy. Then there's the simple fact that Brees is going to get the ball to any guy wearing the same color jersey, so I'm not terribly concerned about wideout. Tight end, that's another story.

Bobaganoosh 02-21-2008 12:53 PM

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Lance Moore is a 5th receiver...not a 2nd or 3rd....same with Copper. As much as i like Meachem, he hasnt played yet. I think WR is a need more than anything other than CB, LB, and DT. I dont think its a position where the saints should spend a ton of money, they shouldnt trade for one, and they shouldnt take one in the first two rounds, but it is something that needs to be addressed. I like Wilford, i think he would be a great fit. I like the idea of drafting Jordy Nelson in the third round.

The WR position this offseason is not an end of the world thing, but its certainly not an afterthought either.

NarwhalHunter 02-21-2008 01:02 PM

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Meachem will more than likely be able to play as the number 2 or 3 is what I'm basing most of my thinking on, with Patten going to whatever spot Meachem doesn't. I have no problem bringing in a guy like Wilford, but I think receiver is far down on the list of needs when we need help at just about every spot on defense.

Budsdrinker 02-21-2008 01:52 PM

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Between Boba and Narwhal, I like they way both of you think. Ya'll make good points and observations. I'd like to kick back at a sportsbar with both of you and talk Saints football.

SapperSaint 02-21-2008 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 154319)
Between Boba and Narwhal, I like they way both of you think. Ya'll make good points and observations. I'd like to kick back at a sportsbar with both of you and talk Saints football.

HERE, HERE!!!:patos:

There are definitely some good debaters on this site.:duel:

Bobaganoosh 02-21-2008 03:21 PM

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The good news for everyone involved is that i run a bar...so whenever you guys fell the urge to tackle some tough or touchy subjects for the saints while throwing down a few cold ones, i know the perfect place.


I love the offseason...going back and forth with you guys about "the right thing for the Saints" is fun...its also comical because none of us really know what is going on in the mind of the front office...but we love to pretend like we do.

papz 02-21-2008 03:30 PM

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The offseason... when fans get to become GM's.

SapperSaint 02-21-2008 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh (Post 154322)
The good news for everyone involved is that i run a bar...so whenever you guys fell the urge to tackle some tough or touchy subjects for the saints while throwing down a few cold ones, i know the perfect place.

I don't think anyone will mind if you give a shameless plug....What's the name of the bar and where is it?

papz 02-21-2008 03:43 PM

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I was wondering the same thing myself.

Bobaganoosh 02-21-2008 04:21 PM

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I will do no such thing...thats not exactly my style. Plus, it will help reveal my true identity and i cant allow that to happen....then i wouldnt be a superhero anymore.

Come on guys.

NarwhalHunter 02-21-2008 06:44 PM

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You mean we have to go barhopping throughout the city and find the place where the bartenders/owners seem to have the inside scoop on the Saints? Well, shucks, I'm up for it if you guys are... :D

Bobaganoosh 02-21-2008 08:29 PM

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if you start now you will find it by the time training camp starts. But the journey would be the fun part.

SapperSaint 02-22-2008 07:42 AM

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We need a thread in smack talk where you can give hints every month, and the first person to find it pays everyones bar tab for the month. :-D

B_Dub_Saint 02-22-2008 08:02 AM

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Ill be in the city March 8th. Anyone know where I can grab a beer?? HEHEHE

hagan714 02-22-2008 09:09 AM

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Black and gold annual bar crawl should start first with the Bob hunt.


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