Charles Grant

WhoDat205 · 02-26-2008, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

Does he have the weight and strength to be a DT?

He's at 290 right now. He plays DT in some situational settings. I don't think strength is an issue either.

Originally Posted by papz

I like it when Grant moves inside on third downs. But as a full time DT, I don't like him there. He'd have to gain more weight decreasing his effectiveness. When in shape and motivated, we know he's a very good DE. Right now he's a prototypical 3-4 DE... he needs to shed a good 10 pounds.

I've never thought he was worthy of the money he gets...at least from a statistical standpoint. He had 1 ten sack season and everything else was 6, 2.5, 3, etc...

Of course, we could change to a 3-4...

TheDeuce · 02-28-2008, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

He's at 290 right now. He plays DT in some situational settings. I don't think strength is an issue either.

I've never thought he was worthy of the money he gets...at least from a statistical standpoint. He had 1 ten sack season and everything else was 6, 2.5, 3, etc...

Of course, we could change to a 3-4...

Well if that's the only thing that you're judging Grant on, then you've completely ignored his best asset as a defensive end: run support. He might not be a great pass rusher, but he is always a factor in the run game. He does a very job of inside contain when teams run at his end. I've always been a big Grant supporter because I know that he brings a lot more to the table than just sacks. Looking at his statistics from last year would be a mistake because he was hurt almost the entire season, yet tried to play through the injuries. I know I probably sound like a bit of a homer, but I really believe that Grant is a very good player. He's also been a good team guy who has represented the organization well.

WhoDat205 · 02-29-2008, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Well if that's the only thing that you're judging Grant on, then you've completely ignored his best asset as a defensive end: run support. He might not be a great pass rusher, but he is always a factor in the run game. He does a very job of inside contain when teams run at his end. I've always been a big Grant supporter because I know that he brings a lot more to the table than just sacks. Looking at his statistics from last year would be a mistake because he was hurt almost the entire season, yet tried to play through the injuries. I know I probably sound like a bit of a homer, but I really believe that Grant is a very good player. He's also been a good team guy who has represented the organization well.

Grant is a very good run stopper. Hence the move to DT. I just think his skill set and size make him an ideal 3-gap player. As it stands today, we have 2 DEs under contract. Cooper is a RFA, though. I would not be surprised if we draft a DE at 10. I think both Smith and Grant need fires lit under their rears and a promising rookie could do that.

SapperSaint · 02-26-2008, 01:39 PM

What is Coach O's prefered scheme?

WhoDat205 · 02-26-2008, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

What is Coach O's prefered scheme?

I was kidding. We're stuck in a 4-3. We'd have to trade Smith for a couple of LBs, draft Quinten Groves*, find a NT. It would be a mess.

*He's going to be an awesome 3-4 OLB, IMO...from the Demarcus Ware mold.

papz · 02-26-2008, 01:44 PM

That Groves will be... a player who I'd LOVE to have here.

Saint_Slumber · 02-26-2008, 11:38 PM

When you say weight do you mean blood?

hagan714 · 02-27-2008, 04:04 AM

Maybe trade bait soon?

Cancer Beater · 02-27-2008, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Maybe trade bait soon?

The cap hit would be around 15million if we traded Grant right now.

Budsdrinker · 02-27-2008, 11:32 AM

The Giants used Tuck as a DT and his size is close to Grant. Tuck is 6'5" 274 compared to Grant at 6'3" 290. I still think go after Justin Smith and maybe use a rotataion of all 3 playing DE and DT.

02-26-2008, 01:25 PM	#1
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Charles Grant Originally Posted by SapperSaint Does he have the weight and strength to be a DT? He's at 290 right now. He plays DT in some situational settings. I don't think strength is an issue either. Originally Posted by papz I like it when Grant moves inside on third downs. But as a full time DT, I don't like him there. He'd have to gain more weight decreasing his effectiveness. When in shape and motivated, we know he's a very good DE. Right now he's a prototypical 3-4 DE... he needs to shed a good 10 pounds. I've never thought he was worthy of the money he gets...at least from a statistical standpoint. He had 1 ten sack season and everything else was 6, 2.5, 3, etc... Of course, we could change to a 3-4...

02-28-2008, 06:19 PM	#2
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Charles Grant Originally Posted by WhoDat205 He's at 290 right now. He plays DT in some situational settings. I don't think strength is an issue either. I've never thought he was worthy of the money he gets...at least from a statistical standpoint. He had 1 ten sack season and everything else was 6, 2.5, 3, etc... Of course, we could change to a 3-4... Well if that's the only thing that you're judging Grant on, then you've completely ignored his best asset as a defensive end: run support. He might not be a great pass rusher, but he is always a factor in the run game. He does a very job of inside contain when teams run at his end. I've always been a big Grant supporter because I know that he brings a lot more to the table than just sacks. Looking at his statistics from last year would be a mistake because he was hurt almost the entire season, yet tried to play through the injuries. I know I probably sound like a bit of a homer, but I really believe that Grant is a very good player. He's also been a good team guy who has represented the organization well.
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02-29-2008, 08:41 AM	#3
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Charles Grant Originally Posted by TheDeuce Well if that's the only thing that you're judging Grant on, then you've completely ignored his best asset as a defensive end: run support. He might not be a great pass rusher, but he is always a factor in the run game. He does a very job of inside contain when teams run at his end. I've always been a big Grant supporter because I know that he brings a lot more to the table than just sacks. Looking at his statistics from last year would be a mistake because he was hurt almost the entire season, yet tried to play through the injuries. I know I probably sound like a bit of a homer, but I really believe that Grant is a very good player. He's also been a good team guy who has represented the organization well. Grant is a very good run stopper. Hence the move to DT. I just think his skill set and size make him an ideal 3-gap player. As it stands today, we have 2 DEs under contract. Cooper is a RFA, though. I would not be surprised if we draft a DE at 10. I think both Smith and Grant need fires lit under their rears and a promising rookie could do that.

02-26-2008, 01:39 PM	#4
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Charles Grant What is Coach O's prefered scheme?

02-26-2008, 01:42 PM	#5
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Charles Grant Originally Posted by SapperSaint What is Coach O's prefered scheme? I was kidding. We're stuck in a 4-3. We'd have to trade Smith for a couple of LBs, draft Quinten Groves, find a NT. It would be a mess. He's going to be an awesome 3-4 OLB, IMO...from the Demarcus Ware mold.

02-26-2008, 01:44 PM	#6
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,797	Re: Charles Grant That Groves will be... a player who I'd LOVE to have here.

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Saint_Slumber Rookie Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3	Re: Charles Grant When you say weight do you mean blood?
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02-27-2008, 04:04 AM	#8
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02-27-2008, 11:32 AM	#10
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Charles Grant The Giants used Tuck as a DT and his size is close to Grant. Tuck is 6'5" 274 compared to Grant at 6'3" 290. I still think go after Justin Smith and maybe use a rotataion of all 3 playing DE and DT.