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Supes 02-26-2008 10:04 AM

Charles Grant
 
I work in a restaurant and last night i waited on Charles Grant.
He looks like he has lost some weight
by weight I mean fat, not muscle. He is as I've heard before a very nice guy,

Euphoria 02-26-2008 10:43 AM

Re: Charles Grant
 
Is he still a Saint?

Supes 02-26-2008 10:46 AM

Re: Charles Grant
 
of course,
why ask such a question

Cancer Beater 02-26-2008 10:50 AM

Re: Charles Grant
 
I hope he ordered a huge plate of desire.

He didn't have it lastyear.

SapperSaint 02-26-2008 12:36 PM

Re: Charles Grant
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cancer Beater (Post 154730)
I hope he ordered a huge plate of desire.

He didn't have it lastyear.

SUNAP!

Boy of boy, way to get a jab in there CB! :-D

Cancer Beater 02-26-2008 01:00 PM

Re: Charles Grant
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SapperSaint (Post 154744)
SUNAP!

Boy of boy, way to get a jab in there CB! :-D

LoL

Stop me when I start lying.

SapperSaint 02-26-2008 01:07 PM

Re: Charles Grant
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cancer Beater (Post 154750)
LoL

Stop me when I start lying.

Preach on Brother, preach on.

I couldn't help but laugh when I read that.

WhoDat205 02-26-2008 01:11 PM

Re: Charles Grant
 
Why do you guys think about Grant as a DT?

SapperSaint 02-26-2008 01:13 PM

Re: Charles Grant
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat205 (Post 154753)
Why do you guys think about Grant as a DT?

Does he have the weight and strength to be a DT?

papz 02-26-2008 01:18 PM

Re: Charles Grant
 
I like it when Grant moves inside on third downs. But as a full time DT, I don't like him there. He'd have to gain more weight decreasing his effectiveness. When in shape and motivated, we know he's a very good DE. Right now he's a prototypical 3-4 DE... he needs to shed a good 10 pounds.

WhoDat205 02-26-2008 01:25 PM

Re: Charles Grant
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SapperSaint (Post 154755)
Does he have the weight and strength to be a DT?

He's at 290 right now. He plays DT in some situational settings. I don't think strength is an issue either.

Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 154756)
I like it when Grant moves inside on third downs. But as a full time DT, I don't like him there. He'd have to gain more weight decreasing his effectiveness. When in shape and motivated, we know he's a very good DE. Right now he's a prototypical 3-4 DE... he needs to shed a good 10 pounds.

I've never thought he was worthy of the money he gets...at least from a statistical standpoint. He had 1 ten sack season and everything else was 6, 2.5, 3, etc...

Of course, we could change to a 3-4...

SapperSaint 02-26-2008 01:39 PM

Re: Charles Grant
 
What is Coach O's prefered scheme?

WhoDat205 02-26-2008 01:42 PM

Re: Charles Grant
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SapperSaint (Post 154767)
What is Coach O's prefered scheme?

I was kidding. We're stuck in a 4-3. We'd have to trade Smith for a couple of LBs, draft Quinten Groves*, find a NT. It would be a mess.

*He's going to be an awesome 3-4 OLB, IMO...from the Demarcus Ware mold.

papz 02-26-2008 01:44 PM

Re: Charles Grant
 
That Groves will be... a player who I'd LOVE to have here.

Saint_Slumber 02-26-2008 11:38 PM

Re: Charles Grant
 
When you say weight do you mean blood?

hagan714 02-27-2008 04:04 AM

Re: Charles Grant
 
Maybe trade bait soon?

Cancer Beater 02-27-2008 08:18 AM

Re: Charles Grant
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 154861)
Maybe trade bait soon?

The cap hit would be around 15million if we traded Grant right now.

Budsdrinker 02-27-2008 11:32 AM

Re: Charles Grant
 
The Giants used Tuck as a DT and his size is close to Grant. Tuck is 6'5" 274 compared to Grant at 6'3" 290. I still think go after Justin Smith and maybe use a rotataion of all 3 playing DE and DT.

cgctobe 02-27-2008 07:23 PM

Re: Charles Grant
 
There is only one place i would like to see Charles play.....and thats for another team!

MatthewT 02-27-2008 09:57 PM

Re: Charles Grant
 
It's amazing some of the stuff I am hearing about Grant in this post. A couple of years ago I made some of the same observations about him and got completely blasted. I've always believed he is one of the most talented players in the NFL, but doesn't give 100 percent enough of the time. When he decides to play he can dominate. The only problem is over his career he has gone into long stretches of games playing with very little effort or intensity. I will, however, give him the benefit of doubt for 2007 because he was very banged up most of the year. Now, perhaps, because he should be a more mature player at this point, maybe he can put on a show for us in 2008 and become great.

TheDeuce 02-28-2008 06:19 PM

Re: Charles Grant
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat205 (Post 154759)
He's at 290 right now. He plays DT in some situational settings. I don't think strength is an issue either.



I've never thought he was worthy of the money he gets...at least from a statistical standpoint. He had 1 ten sack season and everything else was 6, 2.5, 3, etc...

Of course, we could change to a 3-4...

Well if that's the only thing that you're judging Grant on, then you've completely ignored his best asset as a defensive end: run support. He might not be a great pass rusher, but he is always a factor in the run game. He does a very job of inside contain when teams run at his end. I've always been a big Grant supporter because I know that he brings a lot more to the table than just sacks. Looking at his statistics from last year would be a mistake because he was hurt almost the entire season, yet tried to play through the injuries. I know I probably sound like a bit of a homer, but I really believe that Grant is a very good player. He's also been a good team guy who has represented the organization well.

SaintPauly 02-28-2008 07:40 PM

Re: Charles Grant
 
I think if we had a DT, with a meanstreak next to Grant, we would see a whole new line. With the double teams that Grant, and Smith get, it's not very hard to see where the weakness lies, thats for sure. This draft coming up, is deep with defensive players. Maybe we should consider trading down, and getting another second, or possibly another third rounder. We have a looooong grocery list. And you know what they say, it's not good to go to the grocery store hungry.....

WhoDat205 02-29-2008 08:41 AM

Re: Charles Grant
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 155157)
Well if that's the only thing that you're judging Grant on, then you've completely ignored his best asset as a defensive end: run support. He might not be a great pass rusher, but he is always a factor in the run game. He does a very job of inside contain when teams run at his end. I've always been a big Grant supporter because I know that he brings a lot more to the table than just sacks. Looking at his statistics from last year would be a mistake because he was hurt almost the entire season, yet tried to play through the injuries. I know I probably sound like a bit of a homer, but I really believe that Grant is a very good player. He's also been a good team guy who has represented the organization well.

Grant is a very good run stopper. Hence the move to DT. I just think his skill set and size make him an ideal 3-gap player. As it stands today, we have 2 DEs under contract. Cooper is a RFA, though. I would not be surprised if we draft a DE at 10. I think both Smith and Grant need fires lit under their rears and a promising rookie could do that.


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