Asante to Saints a "done deal"

SaintPauly · 02-27-2008, 11:22 PM

At the end of the 07 season, nfl.com power rankings had the Broncos at no. 22, and the Saints at 24. Both teams finished with 7-9 records. Only major difference was that the Broncos have Bailey on one side, and Dre Bly on the other. NINE pro bowl appearances between the two of them, and a hardcore reputation, for being two of the best "shutdown" cbs in the league. I read two articles, where the now FIRED defensive coordinator, said that the problem was, THAT THEY WERE NOT GETTING ENOUGH PRESSURE UP FRONT, for the CBs to be able to work effectively.

Now, will someone please explain to me, how that's possible, if lockdown CBs, are supposed to give the front seven "more time" to get to the QB?

rjakapeanut · 02-28-2008, 12:34 AM

well, if your CBs are playing it extremely well they can give the front 7 a little more time to get at the quarterback, but honestly you really want your front 7 to be on fire before you go investing in 100 million dollar CBs. luckily, we have the makings of a really good front 7.

charles grant and will smith are top DEs, regardless of how well they played last season. we should fix DT problems in the draft, hopefully. already looks like we're working on the LB problem and we're sure to draft atleast one.

hagan714 · 02-28-2008, 04:16 AM

one player will not make a difference but it is a start. At least the quick drop back passes will have more than one read. Thats gives the DL some extra time to get the pressure on the QB. It is a start. Upgrading LBs will also help. It frees up the DL from some of its run reads and allows them to pin back their ears a litttle bit more. The safty play needs to improve also. Way to many hits after 5 yards. It all goes hand in hand. Its a start.

hagan714 · 02-28-2008, 04:16 AM

one player will not make a difference but it is a start. At least the quick drop back passes will have more than one read. Thats gives the DL some extra time to get the pressure on the QB. It is a start. Upgrading LBs will also help. It frees up the DL from some of its run reads and allows them to pin back their ears a litttle bit more. The safty play needs to improve also. Way to many hits after 5 yards. It all goes hand in hand. Its a start.

BooBirdSaint · 02-28-2008, 07:39 AM

Just a rumor but according to this blog ...
- Asante Samuel has been offered a deal with the Eagles for 5 years/$55 million.
FanBlog: Texans: 2008 Free Agent Tracking Chart (and lastest updates)

Which may be moot since I understand that he's seeking a 10 year / 10 Million type deal...

Anyway just getting my spoon in the pot.

Also they are reporting that Briggs is signing with San Fran.

Bobaganoosh · 02-28-2008, 01:03 PM

One player will not make a difference, but having someone in the secondary with actual ball skills and the ability to read and diagnose a route would be something that no Saints fan can say that we ever had. Adding him would certainly ease a lot of the pressure of HAVING to draft a Cb in round 1, and since rookie CB's dont generally make an impact, we wouldnt be helping ourselves for this year by relying on a rookie to stabilize our secondary. Adding Samuel and still drafting a CB in round 1 or 2 makes this team better for the long haul...now and later. Then we turn our attention to finding a LB and a DT and our defense will make a quantum leap in effeciency.

TheDeuce · 02-28-2008, 01:19 PM

Good post bobaganoosh. I have said for a while that we should get a corner in free agency that can play right away. Draft a LB or DT in the first round that can have a positive impact in the first season

Bobaganoosh · 02-28-2008, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Good post bobaganoosh. I have said for a while that we should get a corner in free agency that can play right away. Draft a LB or DT in the first round that can have a positive impact in the first season

I am glad you agree...that would be the best way to get maximum improvement THIS YEAR and also for the future as well. You usually have to wait a year or two for CB's to get comfortable. Especially given the fact that this year all of us are in love with CB's from small schools. Their transition to the NFL may take even longer.

TheDeuce · 02-28-2008, 01:43 PM

i.e. Usama young. Not saying he isn't going to be good, but the jump from Toledo or wherever he came from to the NFL is a big jump.

NarwhalHunter · 02-28-2008, 02:39 PM

Getting Samuel definitely frees us up to do whatever we want in the draft, which is a very good thing. I'm still a little leery about him -- he gets burned a ton, system guy, blah blah blah -- but the fact remains he's still heads and shoulders above any other corner the Saints have ever had. I guess the thing that's most exciting is the fact that the front office doesn't seem to mind opening up the checkbook these days. Maybe they actually want to see some decent product on the field.

02-27-2008, 11:22 PM	#1
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Asante to Saints a "done deal" At the end of the 07 season, nfl.com power rankings had the Broncos at no. 22, and the Saints at 24. Both teams finished with 7-9 records. Only major difference was that the Broncos have Bailey on one side, and Dre Bly on the other. NINE pro bowl appearances between the two of them, and a hardcore reputation, for being two of the best "shutdown" cbs in the league. I read two articles, where the now FIRED defensive coordinator, said that the problem was, THAT THEY WERE NOT GETTING ENOUGH PRESSURE UP FRONT, for the CBs to be able to work effectively. Now, will someone please explain to me, how that's possible, if lockdown CBs, are supposed to give the front seven "more time" to get to the QB?
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02-28-2008, 12:34 AM	#2
rjakapeanut 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 204	Re: Asante to Saints a "done deal" well, if your CBs are playing it extremely well they can give the front 7 a little more time to get at the quarterback, but honestly you really want your front 7 to be on fire before you go investing in 100 million dollar CBs. luckily, we have the makings of a really good front 7. charles grant and will smith are top DEs, regardless of how well they played last season. we should fix DT problems in the draft, hopefully. already looks like we're working on the LB problem and we're sure to draft atleast one.
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02-28-2008, 04:16 AM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Asante to Saints a "done deal" one player will not make a difference but it is a start. At least the quick drop back passes will have more than one read. Thats gives the DL some extra time to get the pressure on the QB. It is a start. Upgrading LBs will also help. It frees up the DL from some of its run reads and allows them to pin back their ears a litttle bit more. The safty play needs to improve also. Way to many hits after 5 yards. It all goes hand in hand. Its a start.

02-28-2008, 04:16 AM	#4
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Asante to Saints a "done deal" one player will not make a difference but it is a start. At least the quick drop back passes will have more than one read. Thats gives the DL some extra time to get the pressure on the QB. It is a start. Upgrading LBs will also help. It frees up the DL from some of its run reads and allows them to pin back their ears a litttle bit more. The safty play needs to improve also. Way to many hits after 5 yards. It all goes hand in hand. Its a start.

02-28-2008, 07:39 AM	#5
BooBirdSaint 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 273	Re: Asante to Saints a "done deal" Just a rumor but according to this blog ... - Asante Samuel has been offered a deal with the Eagles for 5 years/$55 million. FanBlog: Texans: 2008 Free Agent Tracking Chart (and lastest updates) Which may be moot since I understand that he's seeking a 10 year / 10 Million type deal... Anyway just getting my spoon in the pot. Also they are reporting that Briggs is signing with San Fran.

02-28-2008, 01:03 PM	#6
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Asante to Saints a "done deal" One player will not make a difference, but having someone in the secondary with actual ball skills and the ability to read and diagnose a route would be something that no Saints fan can say that we ever had. Adding him would certainly ease a lot of the pressure of HAVING to draft a Cb in round 1, and since rookie CB's dont generally make an impact, we wouldnt be helping ourselves for this year by relying on a rookie to stabilize our secondary. Adding Samuel and still drafting a CB in round 1 or 2 makes this team better for the long haul...now and later. Then we turn our attention to finding a LB and a DT and our defense will make a quantum leap in effeciency.
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02-28-2008, 01:19 PM	#7
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Asante to Saints a "done deal" Good post bobaganoosh. I have said for a while that we should get a corner in free agency that can play right away. Draft a LB or DT in the first round that can have a positive impact in the first season
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02-28-2008, 01:36 PM	#8
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Asante to Saints a "done deal" Originally Posted by TheDeuce Good post bobaganoosh. I have said for a while that we should get a corner in free agency that can play right away. Draft a LB or DT in the first round that can have a positive impact in the first season I am glad you agree...that would be the best way to get maximum improvement THIS YEAR and also for the future as well. You usually have to wait a year or two for CB's to get comfortable. Especially given the fact that this year all of us are in love with CB's from small schools. Their transition to the NFL may take even longer.

02-28-2008, 01:43 PM	#9
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Asante to Saints a "done deal" i.e. Usama young. Not saying he isn't going to be good, but the jump from Toledo or wherever he came from to the NFL is a big jump.
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02-28-2008, 02:39 PM	#10
NarwhalHunter 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Hattiesburger with Cheese Posts: 146 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Asante to Saints a "done deal" Getting Samuel definitely frees us up to do whatever we want in the draft, which is a very good thing. I'm still a little leery about him -- he gets burned a ton, system guy, blah blah blah -- but the fact remains he's still heads and shoulders above any other corner the Saints have ever had. I guess the thing that's most exciting is the fact that the front office doesn't seem to mind opening up the checkbook these days. Maybe they actually want to see some decent product on the field.