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Lil Saint 03-03-2008 08:56 PM

Reggie Bush, the FUTURE?
 
Is Reggie Bush the FUTURE?
Will he LEAD the Saints to the Super Bowl?

You Decide!
1. Yes, he will lead us to victory! <--- My Vote. ;)
2. Maybe, it's too EARLY to decide.
3. No, he SUCKS!

pakowitz 03-03-2008 09:05 PM

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this will be reggies breakout year!! he was unfortunately hurt the past 2 years and everyone has been down on him.. this year will be different and we will see an explosive playmaker!!!!

TheDeuce 03-04-2008 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by pakowitz (Post 156433)
this will be reggies breakout year!! he was unfortunately hurt the past 2 years and everyone has been down on him.. this year will be different and we will see an explosive playmaker!!!!

You da man Pak, I like that enthusiasm. Reggie is a world-class athlete who needs a little learning and patience, but also needs to be used correctly. Think about how many highlights he made during his rookie season compared to last year. He might not be a traditional running back, but they don't need him to be that. Work him at RB and out in the slot. Mix it up. Have fun with it again. I can't wait to see Reggie this next season, I think he wants to prove himself.

FireVenturi 03-04-2008 07:10 AM

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usually in the third year you know what a playa is gonna be.....so, maybe is my vote.

SapperSaint 03-04-2008 07:24 AM

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This is Reggies make or break year for me. I want to see him become our RB, but something tells me he will not reach the potential we think he should have.

papz 03-04-2008 08:20 AM

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I think he takes that next step this year. He has to realize if he wants to remain in this league and continue to make a lot of money, he's going to have to step up his game. We'll see more of what he did from his rookie year compared to last year... we're going to see a man on the field this year.

saintsfan1976 03-04-2008 08:49 AM

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Boy you know this is one heck of a hard question to answer. Maybe because it's just too straight forward. Reggie is one of those players who brought the "outside of football world" with him. He is Hollywood, he is television, he is an endorser's wet dream. BUT..... The cloud of hype has now begun to settle and after just two short years in the NFL there seems to be more questions than answers. I'd love to see Reggie do well and take the Saints to places they've never been (1 out of 2 so far 'aint bad) but he has to get rid of his off field issues and demons FIRST.

Let's hope this latest court case goes away and so does Ms. Bootylicious. We need our boy's head in the game.

foreverfan 03-04-2008 09:10 AM

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Reggie = Million in Commerical Endorsements.
That's all we really know at this point.

Still, I'm down with YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cajunasian61 03-04-2008 12:12 PM

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I have to go with mayabe, and I'm closer to "no" than yes, based on what he has done in his two years so far. He has been far from dominating especially as a running back. We have yet to see his explosiveness (at least not consistently). He has career averages of 3.7 Yds/rush and 7.2 yds/catch (only 5.7 yds/catch last year). He has basically been Aaron Stecker/ Kevin Faulk with more hype (except if you're honest with yourself Stecker is the better rusher). I hope Reggie will rise up to the hype but if we continue to use him as a running back, he never will. We need to play to his strengths, which means we can't keep trying to force him running up the middle over and over. He is a scat back and can be great if we use him like one. I believe that Reggie being great or not relies more on Payton than it does with Reggie

LordOfEntropy 03-04-2008 01:56 PM

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I have no doubt Reggie has the ability to be what he's been hyped to be. I think it's totally under his control. What I question, rather, is his raw desire, his drive, his ambition to achieve it.

If he continues to let the distractions make the most of him - the commercials, the women, the glitz, the celebrity status, the free-floh-doh.... then he's doomed to underachieving.

But if he focuses on football, and goes after it with his heart - then he'll be all we hope he'll be.

The choice is up to him. It's totally on him. The sky's the limit - if he wants it bad enough.

BrooksMustGo 03-04-2008 02:02 PM

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Here's the BMG wacky idea of the day.

Reggie could be the future, but as the Saints version of Wes Welker.
I'm nearly in favor of drafting Mendenhall and using Reggie to play slot receiver. He could be just as indispensible and electric as Wes Welker to us.

saintsfan1976 03-04-2008 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BrooksMustGo (Post 156572)
Here's the BMG wacky idea of the day.

Reggie could be the future, but as the Saints version of Wes Welker.
I'm nearly in favor of drafting Mendenhall and using Reggie to play slot receiver. He could be just as indispensible and electric as Wes Welker to us.

You can bet we'll see more of this in '08!!

cgctobe 03-04-2008 02:27 PM

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Plain and simple Reggie is not used properly. If Bill had him in New England he would be breaking records weekly!So unless Payton plays to his strengths i say he leads us no place.

SapperSaint 03-04-2008 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cgctobe (Post 156577)
Plain and simple Reggie is not used properly. If Bill had him in New England he would be breaking records weekly!So unless Payton plays to his strengths i say he leads us no place.

In no means am I starting a fight.... but what was Reggie drafted as, played in college as???? Oh yeah, I remember... A RUNNINGBACK!

Payton is using him at his "Strength" he's a runningback. If we needed a WR, then that's what we would have drafted him as. Reggie shows up on the roster as RB. I'm all for putting him on the line, and yes, he does work best in the open field. If that is what we need to do with him, then lets dump a couple of WR's and go out and draft McFadden so we can have a runningback. Deuce won't last forever.

I don't mean to bash Reggie, but all this talk of Payton needs to use him better (and your not the first to say it) just doesn't wash. At the end of the day, Reggie is the one who either performed or didn't. Reggie is a big boy now, he needs to take some blame for his performance, or lack there of.

LordOfEntropy 03-04-2008 03:46 PM

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He hasn't proven to me that he wants it bad enough. He should be in the gym, bulking up, training with and sweating with his teammates. Instead, he's living Hollywood. He doesn't want it.

Shame.

BrooksMustGo 03-04-2008 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SapperSaint (Post 156579)
In no means am I starting a fight.... but what was Reggie drafted as, played in college as???? Oh yeah, I remember... A RUNNINGBACK!

I'm all for putting him on the line, and yes, he does work best in the open field. If that is what we need to do with him, then lets dump a couple of WR's and go out and draft McFadden so we can have a runningback. Deuce won't last forever.

I don't mean to bash Reggie, but all this talk of Payton needs to use him better (and your not the first to say it) just doesn't wash. At the end of the day, Reggie is the one who either performed or didn't. Reggie is a big boy now, he needs to take some blame for his performance, or lack there of.

Agreed, I think. Reggie needs to own his lack of production. He doesn't hit the hole, he doesn't move through the trash at the line, he isn't fast enough to get to the corner like he wants too, he dances and reverses field too quickly.

I agree that in the open field, he causes problems. He's pretty good coming out of the backfield as a receiver, but even then he can't always make it to the corner. But he's going to cause match up problems if the ILB is trying to cover him. I don't know if Reggie should like up in the backfield or in the slot all the time, but I would like to see some plays where he functions like Welker does with the Pats.

McFadden is pretty exciting, but I'd rather have Mendenhall for his power, running style and shorter injury report. McFadden took too many hits over the past couple of years and will put the ball on the ground pretty regularly.

SapperSaint 03-04-2008 04:21 PM

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I don't know anything about Mendenhall.

Cancer Beater 03-04-2008 05:00 PM

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Our coach needs to line-up Reggie at WR atleast 4 times a game.
It seem that teams knew that Reggie would recieve a toss to the outside.

Euphoria 03-04-2008 05:27 PM

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You guys are funny.

What type of player was Reggie at USC... A RETURN MAN!

He split carries with the Running back (White). We got an over priced return man we are trying to hang our hopes that he is the next Walter Payton. HE WILL NEVER BE.

He is exactly what we drafted and nothing more. Stop trying to expect a mircle from one person. We need 50-some odd players and some great coaches.

LordOfEntropy 03-04-2008 06:16 PM

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Didn't everyone, I mean nearly everyone, that watches the sport think Reggie was going to be an awesome RB (not a return man)? C'mon Euph. Did you know he was going to flop at RB? You and what, nine other peeps on the NFL? C'mon, everyone bought into him being something special - at RB.

papz 03-04-2008 06:27 PM

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Trust me LOE... don't bother wasting your time on this subject.

cgctobe 03-04-2008 08:12 PM

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Reggie is more suited for a zone scheme.....He would do great in Denver.

Euphoria 03-04-2008 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy (Post 156616)
Didn't everyone, I mean nearly everyone, that watches the sport think Reggie was going to be an awesome RB (not a return man)? C'mon Euph. Did you know he was going to flop at RB? You and what, nine other peeps on the NFL? C'mon, everyone bought into him being something special - at RB.

You must have heard wrong. I don't recall anyone ever saying he was going to be a special RB. I did hear people say he was going to be a 'special football player'. And for all its worth he is a special football player (not RB). Thats it except for a few knuckleheads who insist on calling him a RB or better yet a featured RB of which he never was except high school. He wasn't even a featured back at USC.

BrooksMustGo 03-05-2008 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 156660)
You must have heard wrong. I don't recall anyone ever saying he was going to be a special RB. I did hear people say he was going to be a 'special football player'. And for all its worth he is a special football player (not RB). Thats it except for a few knuckleheads who insist on calling him a RB or better yet a featured RB of which he never was except high school. He wasn't even a featured back at USC.

I basically agree that he is a return specialist.

But I do remember hearing a lot of "Reggie Bush is a once in a generation football player." If he were just a return specialist, then Devin Hester is much more the once in a generation kick returner. Reggie also got a lot of comparisons to Gayle Sayers. I think many folks thought he was going to electrify the league. Others thought he couldn't take the pounding of a RB.

He hasn't because he can't run between the tackles and can't outrun the defense to the corner, but it seems a bit too much to say that folks didn't think he would do well.

poydras 03-05-2008 07:47 AM

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I think he'll get better and better. We need to keep him haelthy.

foreverfan 03-05-2008 11:13 AM

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Reggie will be fine. We need to replace Deuce though.

SapperSaint 03-05-2008 12:38 PM

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How do you know Reggie will be fine? What has he shown to prove he is going to have even an "Okay" year? Deuce carries half of the Eagles team into the endzone two years ago and wasn't having too bad of a year until he got hurt.

Deuce is proven.

Reggie is not.

gandhi1007 03-06-2008 07:31 AM

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Maybe I'm just being biased because of my little incident I had with him his rookie season, but I vote NO. I think he's a good athlete, but not an NFL RB. C'mon, the guy goes down on the first hit! He doesn't break tackles at the line of scrimmage. Everybody knows that in the NFL you have to break those initial tackles to be a successful RB. Anyway....after the comments he made last year about knowing when to go down to prolong your career, I don't think he's going to be NFL starter material. I hope he proves me wrong, but so far he has not.

SapperSaint 03-06-2008 07:37 AM

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Welcome back home, gandhi.

gandhi1007 03-06-2008 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SapperSaint (Post 156877)
Welcome back home, gandhi.


Glad to be back, bo.

Frederick Smith 03-06-2008 09:13 AM

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Definately think they should not keep Him In the backfield. Here is your number 2 reciever and I think He should be returning kick offs and punts also. With Thomas and hopefully McAllister He has no business back there. The hits he has taken and fumbles should be enough to convince the Saints staff to keep him out of the interior line. They need to use Him like Hester in Chi Town

Frederick Smith 03-06-2008 09:21 AM

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Do not know what MOST OF you guys see that I don't. I see an undersized athlete not capable of running between the tackles as evidenced by His fumbles. Linemen and Linebackers especialy have laid Him out. What makes you think He can be any better this year He is what He is. Needs to be utilized as a reciever, RetuRn man much as Devin Hester. Want to see Him have a long career KEEP HIM OUT OF THE BACKFIELD

foreverfan 03-06-2008 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SapperSaint (Post 156701)
How do you know Reggie will be fine? What has he shown to prove he is going to have even an "Okay" year? Deuce carries half of the Eagles team into the endzone two years ago and wasn't having too bad of a year until he got hurt.

Deuce is proven.

Reggie is not.

Ok I've said this on other threads. The main problem with Reggie last year is that he is not a true RB. Deuce is but HIS CAREER IS ALMOST OVER. We need to replace him and I'm not sure Payton believes that PT is the answer. The best way to get Reggie to gain 1500 ALL PURPOSE YARDS (not a bust) is to use him correctly. This will take a TRUE RB. If we have terrefic running back to support him, we may just have the BEST OFFENSE in the league again. Reggie will not take as many hits in the flat and force one on one coverage down field. Having him split out creates mismatches at the line of scrimmage for a back like Deuce to exploit. It also keeps pressure off of Drew Brees because it is much harder to blitz to the side where Reggie is. In any case, Reggie is a jem of a player consider:

He missed 4 games last year....
Still in two years he as 2305 yards rushing and receiving and only 5 fumbles lost. If he played in those 4 games, base on the above figures, he would have 2634 yards or 1317 yards per season or 82 yards per game.
This doesn't include kickoffs and punt returns.

But that's not where his biggest impact is felt. Defenses have to account for him on every play. Reggie most of the reason we have such a great offense because just having him on the field changes the game plan of the defense so much. The key to making Reggie GREAT AGAIN it to have a healthy BIG RUNNING BACK that can take the LOAD OFF of him and FORCE MORE MISMATCHES. The safeties will have to cheat up to the line which will open things up down field for Colston and Henderson.

No body else but a RB will FIX THE SAINTS OFFENSE and have the most impact on the team. Duece's career is OVER. Time to move on.

We are one player from having the BEST OFFENSE IN THE LEAGUE AGAIN!

PASS RUSH AND RUNNING GAME WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!


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