Pierre = Real Deal?

Budsdrinker · 03-17-2008, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Ok so where on the Saints roster do they have a TRUE #1 RB?

Duece? Not anymore. It won't happen. He should retire.
Stecker? No
Bush? Not Really
Thomas? ??????????? We all hope that the kid turns out to be the next Tony Dorsett but it isn't likely. My problem is that I don't think he can hold up the whole season and I'm sure the other Bozos are ready to carry the full load.

So if you don't think Thomas can hold up what makes you think whomever our pick would be in the first round would hold up at RB. And if the other teams wait on a RB why wouldn't the Saints. Just think of the money you save if you pick up a projected first rounder in the second or early third round.

hagan714 · 03-17-2008, 07:36 AM

No I do not like the pick myself I think media hype has knocked him into the top 20. Like QB, WR, CB and S the quality is not there this year in round 1. The glamor positions are not that great.

Boutte · 03-17-2008, 12:26 PM

The thing that impressed me the most about him is that he REFUSES to be tackled. How many times did we see the whistle blow the play dead while he was still on feet and fighting for yardage? He doesn't dance either, he makes a cut and heads down field, once he gets into the second level he has the speed and elusiveness to break it.
I like what I've seen so far. Hope we see a lot more of him this year.

foreverfan · 03-17-2008, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Boutte

The thing that impressed me the most about him is that he REFUSES to be tackled. How many times did we see the whistle blow the play dead while he was still on feet and fighting for yardage? He doesn't dance either, he makes a cut and heads down field, once he gets into the second level he has the speed and elusiveness to break it.
I like what I've seen so far. Hope we see a lot more of him this year.

I absoultly love the guy (Thomas that is).
He seems to be the real deal and many of you are willing to put all 2008 in his hands. I certainly think we could get by without drafting a RB this year. That may not even be one, yet is could certainly turn in to one at crunch time. If we go 11-5, and Deuce retires next year, you may be kicking yourself in the but for not drafting a RB high.

Originally Posted by thesaintsfan

Hey foreverfan, have you completely given up all hope of Reggie becoming a #1 feature type back? I agree with you that Deuce is no longer a #1 and Stecker never has been and never will be but I still have hope that Reggie can mature into that role.

From what we've seen, it's not the best use of Reggie.
If that's the case, we may be hanging our whole season on if Deuce can come back or if PT can become the feature back and hold up deep into the playoffs. Reggie's hardly a bust and I think we could get by with him being the feature back, and he's never been known for picking up the blitz. Making sure that Brees has ALL OF THE WEAPONS at his disposal makes a lot of since too. Nobody wants to see Brees and I think the chances are less if Reggie isn't the primary back.

In any case, I'm sure the whole board would agree it doesn't matter what I think.

Heil Payton.

Boutte · 03-19-2008, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

[b]I certainly think we could get by without drafting a RB this year. That may not even be one, yet is could certainly turn in to one at crunch time. If we go 11-5, and Deuce retires next year, you may be kicking yourself in the but for not drafting a RB high.

From what we've seen, it's not the best use of Reggie.
If that's the case, we may be hanging our whole season on if Deuce can come back or if PT can become the feature back and hold up deep into the playoffs.

I hate the thought of going into the season having to rely on Deuce to be the workhorse for the running game. As much as I like Stecker I think his roster spot is where we need to upgrade. The problem is who are yougoing to replace him with? If we learned anything it's that you can't count a draft pick to be an upgrade at any position and are there any vets available who definitely be a major improvement?

gandhi1007 · 03-19-2008, 04:01 PM

I absolutely hate the thought of drafting a running back in the first round this year.....unless of course McFadden falls to #10. McFadden is far & away the best back in the draft....period! After that....this year's class is entirely too deep at RB to draft one in the 1st round. There are really good RB's that can be had in the 2nd or 3rd round or later. Guys like Rice, K. Smith, Forte, J. Charles, F. Jones, Slaton, etc....Not to mention...we have a good RB in Pierre Thomas, a great tweaner in Reggie Bush, a fill in named Stecker, a Brahma bull named Deuce McAllister (when healthy), & a wrecking ball FB named Mike Karney. Why on earth would you guys want Mendenhall at #10? Didn't Pierre Thomas outshine him in his tenure at Illinois?

foreverfan · 03-19-2008, 05:39 PM

Dear Gandi...

Thomas may be the real deal, but it doesn't make much since to draft another BACKUP running back at this point. It does make since to try to replace Deuce with another feature back.

It also makes since to draft a defensive player or trade down. I'd be happy either way.

gandhi1007 · 03-19-2008, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Dear Gandi...

Thomas may be the real deal, but it doesn't make much since to draft another BACKUP running back at this point. It does make since to try to replace Deuce with another feature back.

It also makes since to draft a defensive player or trade down. I'd be happy either way.

I understand the scenario we are in with finding a possible replacement for Deuce. However...this RB class is very, very deep. Mendehall has not distanced himself from the rest of the class to me other than his combine speed. Not to mention....was Mendenhall mentioned among the elite college backs before last year? NOOOOO. I would rather a guy who has been consistent & has better value, like say a Rice, Smith, etc... in the 3rd. My personal opinion is Rice. He's done it every year at Rutgers, even when they were stacking 8 in the box against him. Look....the guy reminds me of Emmitt Smith. Okay...I put it out there. Poke your fun, guys. I've compared the kid to the NFL's all time rushing leader. Sorry...I just see the same ability, style, & heart in the kid.

21counterZ-trap · 03-20-2008, 09:54 AM

Pierre should have been drafted. He wasn't because of the way his college career unfolded but, if he gets extended playing time, there will be some teams kicking themselves for not drafting him

foreverfan · 03-20-2008, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

I understand the scenario we are in with finding a possible replacement for Deuce. However...this RB class is very, very deep. Mendehall has not distanced himself from the rest of the class to me other than his combine speed. Not to mention....was Mendenhall mentioned among the elite college backs before last year? NOOOOO. I would rather a guy who has been consistent & has better value, like say a Rice, Smith, etc... in the 3rd. My personal opinion is Rice. He's done it every year at Rutgers, even when they were stacking 8 in the box against him. Look....the guy reminds me of Emmitt Smith. Okay...I put it out there. Poke your fun, guys. I've compared the kid to the NFL's all time rushing leader. Sorry...I just see the same ability, style, & heart in the kid.

You dummy... you asked for it. LOL

03-17-2008, 07:36 AM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Pierre = Real Deal? No I do not like the pick myself I think media hype has knocked him into the top 20. Like QB, WR, CB and S the quality is not there this year in round 1. The glamor positions are not that great.

03-17-2008, 12:26 PM	#3
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Pierre = Real Deal? The thing that impressed me the most about him is that he REFUSES to be tackled. How many times did we see the whistle blow the play dead while he was still on feet and fighting for yardage? He doesn't dance either, he makes a cut and heads down field, once he gets into the second level he has the speed and elusiveness to break it. I like what I've seen so far. Hope we see a lot more of him this year.

03-17-2008, 04:24 PM	#4
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Pierre = Real Deal? Originally Posted by Boutte The thing that impressed me the most about him is that he REFUSES to be tackled. How many times did we see the whistle blow the play dead while he was still on feet and fighting for yardage? He doesn't dance either, he makes a cut and heads down field, once he gets into the second level he has the speed and elusiveness to break it. I like what I've seen so far. Hope we see a lot more of him this year. I absoultly love the guy (Thomas that is). He seems to be the real deal and many of you are willing to put all 2008 in his hands. I certainly think we could get by without drafting a RB this year. That may not even be one, yet is could certainly turn in to one at crunch time. If we go 11-5, and Deuce retires next year, you may be kicking yourself in the but for not drafting a RB high. Originally Posted by thesaintsfan Hey foreverfan, have you completely given up all hope of Reggie becoming a #1 feature type back? I agree with you that Deuce is no longer a #1 and Stecker never has been and never will be but I still have hope that Reggie can mature into that role. From what we've seen, it's not the best use of Reggie. If that's the case, we may be hanging our whole season on if Deuce can come back or if PT can become the feature back and hold up deep into the playoffs. Reggie's hardly a bust and I think we could get by with him being the feature back, and he's never been known for picking up the blitz. Making sure that Brees has ALL OF THE WEAPONS at his disposal makes a lot of since too. Nobody wants to see Brees and I think the chances are less if Reggie isn't the primary back. In any case, I'm sure the whole board would agree it doesn't matter what I think. Heil Payton.
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03-19-2008, 02:45 PM	#5
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Pierre = Real Deal? Originally Posted by foreverfan [b]I certainly think we could get by without drafting a RB this year. That may not even be one, yet is could certainly turn in to one at crunch time. If we go 11-5, and Deuce retires next year, you may be kicking yourself in the but for not drafting a RB high. From what we've seen, it's not the best use of Reggie. If that's the case, we may be hanging our whole season on if Deuce can come back or if PT can become the feature back and hold up deep into the playoffs. I hate the thought of going into the season having to rely on Deuce to be the workhorse for the running game. As much as I like Stecker I think his roster spot is where we need to upgrade. The problem is who are yougoing to replace him with? If we learned anything it's that you can't count a draft pick to be an upgrade at any position and are there any vets available who definitely be a major improvement?

03-19-2008, 04:01 PM	#6
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Pierre = Real Deal? I absolutely hate the thought of drafting a running back in the first round this year.....unless of course McFadden falls to #10. McFadden is far & away the best back in the draft....period! After that....this year's class is entirely too deep at RB to draft one in the 1st round. There are really good RB's that can be had in the 2nd or 3rd round or later. Guys like Rice, K. Smith, Forte, J. Charles, F. Jones, Slaton, etc....Not to mention...we have a good RB in Pierre Thomas, a great tweaner in Reggie Bush, a fill in named Stecker, a Brahma bull named Deuce McAllister (when healthy), & a wrecking ball FB named Mike Karney. Why on earth would you guys want Mendenhall at #10? Didn't Pierre Thomas outshine him in his tenure at Illinois?
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03-17-2008, 09:17 AM	#1
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Pierre = Real Deal? Originally Posted by foreverfan Ok so where on the Saints roster do they have a TRUE #1 RB? Duece? Not anymore. It won't happen. He should retire. Stecker? No Bush? Not Really Thomas? ??????????? We all hope that the kid turns out to be the next Tony Dorsett but it isn't likely. My problem is that I don't think he can hold up the whole season and I'm sure the other Bozos are ready to carry the full load. So if you don't think Thomas can hold up what makes you think whomever our pick would be in the first round would hold up at RB. And if the other teams wait on a RB why wouldn't the Saints. Just think of the money you save if you pick up a projected first rounder in the second or early third round.

03-19-2008, 05:39 PM	#7
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Pierre = Real Deal? Dear Gandi... Thomas may be the real deal, but it doesn't make much since to draft another BACKUP running back at this point. It does make since to try to replace Deuce with another feature back. It also makes since to draft a defensive player or trade down. I'd be happy either way.

03-19-2008, 08:29 PM	#8
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Pierre = Real Deal? Originally Posted by foreverfan Dear Gandi... Thomas may be the real deal, but it doesn't make much since to draft another BACKUP running back at this point. It does make since to try to replace Deuce with another feature back. It also makes since to draft a defensive player or trade down. I'd be happy either way. I understand the scenario we are in with finding a possible replacement for Deuce. However...this RB class is very, very deep. Mendehall has not distanced himself from the rest of the class to me other than his combine speed. Not to mention....was Mendenhall mentioned among the elite college backs before last year? NOOOOO. I would rather a guy who has been consistent & has better value, like say a Rice, Smith, etc... in the 3rd. My personal opinion is Rice. He's done it every year at Rutgers, even when they were stacking 8 in the box against him. Look....the guy reminds me of Emmitt Smith. Okay...I put it out there. Poke your fun, guys. I've compared the kid to the NFL's all time rushing leader. Sorry...I just see the same ability, style, & heart in the kid.
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03-20-2008, 09:54 AM	#9
21counterZ-trap 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Location: Lafayette Posts: 120	Re: Pierre = Real Deal? Pierre should have been drafted. He wasn't because of the way his college career unfolded but, if he gets extended playing time, there will be some teams kicking themselves for not drafting him

03-20-2008, 10:31 AM	#10
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Pierre = Real Deal? Originally Posted by gandhi1007 I understand the scenario we are in with finding a possible replacement for Deuce. However...this RB class is very, very deep. Mendehall has not distanced himself from the rest of the class to me other than his combine speed. Not to mention....was Mendenhall mentioned among the elite college backs before last year? NOOOOO. I would rather a guy who has been consistent & has better value, like say a Rice, Smith, etc... in the 3rd. My personal opinion is Rice. He's done it every year at Rutgers, even when they were stacking 8 in the box against him. Look....the guy reminds me of Emmitt Smith. Okay...I put it out there. Poke your fun, guys. I've compared the kid to the NFL's all time rushing leader. Sorry...I just see the same ability, style, & heart in the kid. You dummy... you asked for it. LOL