pass on the top dt's?

Euphoria · 03-17-2008, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

The Giants strategy of using a 3 DE set may have already been accomplished by the Saints by signing McCray. Move Grant inside and let him push the pocket.

SFIAH

Moving Grant won't happen. You get another DT who can pass rush. Bring him in along with McCray on passing downs and put Grant in on running downs.

The problem is Grant isn't a notorious pass rusher. He can't pass rush from the out side he DEFINATELY won't be able to pass rush from the inside.

rjakapeanut · 03-17-2008, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Moving Grant won't happen.

actually it will happen because they've already confirmed it will happen.

Euphoria · 03-17-2008, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by rjakapeanut

actually it will happen because they've already confirmed it will happen.

Where's the link?

I will re-phrase though. It could happen but it will not be successful. Grant didn't have the speed to get around the corner, ok. He didn't have the 'push' to bully over the tackles or TE's either. I simply do not buy moving him down from time to time is the answer. You can have anyone fill that whole if that is the answer and still have the same result.

Get a top teir DT to concern O lines with and demand double teams, that is who you get a pass rush.

BRSaintsFan · 03-17-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Where's the link?

I will re-phrase though. It could happen but it will not be successful. Grant didn't have the speed to get around the corner, ok. He didn't have the 'push' to bully over the tackles or TE's either. I simply do not buy moving him down from time to time is the answer. You can have anyone fill that whole if that is the answer and still have the same result.

Get a top teir DT to concern O lines with and demand double teams, that is who you get a pass rush.

Agreed. But on passing downs, you are forced to commit help on Smith. McCray's pass rush ability also commands some attention. Thus, the O line is a bit more spread out allowing Grant more room to work in the middle where he can explode past slower guards and generate a push up front. Even with his down season last year, he is a known threat at getting a push on the line and having three commodities rushing the passer forces the offense to either commit more players to block or to run short, quick routes - in turn, helping our dismal secondary situation.

BIGEASY504 · 03-17-2008, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Moving Grant won't happen. You get another DT who can pass rush. Bring him in along with McCray on passing downs and put Grant in on running downs.

The problem is Grant isn't a notorious pass rusher. He can't pass rush from the out side he DEFINATELY won't be able to pass rush from the inside.

The Saints will do exactly what the Giants did to generate a pass rush. From the outside Grant doesn’t have the speed but can still get to the QB but Grant will have an advantage over an offensive guard with speed and power. With that being said, the need for a DT in the first round is not necessary. With McCray we have 3 quality DE’s and all can stop the run as well. We can get a DT in round 3 so LB/CB will be the position taken in the draft. And we should get the highest rated LB/CB available but I’m leaning towards USC/Keith Rivers

03-17-2008, 10:56 AM	#1
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: pass on the top dt's? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL The Giants strategy of using a 3 DE set may have already been accomplished by the Saints by signing McCray. Move Grant inside and let him push the pocket. SFIAH Moving Grant won't happen. You get another DT who can pass rush. Bring him in along with McCray on passing downs and put Grant in on running downs. The problem is Grant isn't a notorious pass rusher. He can't pass rush from the out side he DEFINATELY won't be able to pass rush from the inside.

03-17-2008, 12:13 PM	#2
rjakapeanut 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 204	Re: pass on the top dt's? Originally Posted by Euphoria Moving Grant won't happen. actually it will happen because they've already confirmed it will happen.
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03-17-2008, 01:37 PM	#3
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: pass on the top dt's? Originally Posted by rjakapeanut actually it will happen because they've already confirmed it will happen. Where's the link? I will re-phrase though. It could happen but it will not be successful. Grant didn't have the speed to get around the corner, ok. He didn't have the 'push' to bully over the tackles or TE's either. I simply do not buy moving him down from time to time is the answer. You can have anyone fill that whole if that is the answer and still have the same result. Get a top teir DT to concern O lines with and demand double teams, that is who you get a pass rush.
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03-17-2008, 10:28 PM	#4
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: pass on the top dt's? Originally Posted by Euphoria Where's the link? I will re-phrase though. It could happen but it will not be successful. Grant didn't have the speed to get around the corner, ok. He didn't have the 'push' to bully over the tackles or TE's either. I simply do not buy moving him down from time to time is the answer. You can have anyone fill that whole if that is the answer and still have the same result. Get a top teir DT to concern O lines with and demand double teams, that is who you get a pass rush. Agreed. But on passing downs, you are forced to commit help on Smith. McCray's pass rush ability also commands some attention. Thus, the O line is a bit more spread out allowing Grant more room to work in the middle where he can explode past slower guards and generate a push up front. Even with his down season last year, he is a known threat at getting a push on the line and having three commodities rushing the passer forces the offense to either commit more players to block or to run short, quick routes - in turn, helping our dismal secondary situation.

03-17-2008, 12:55 PM	#5
BIGEASY504 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 487	Re: pass on the top dt's? Originally Posted by Euphoria Moving Grant won't happen. You get another DT who can pass rush. Bring him in along with McCray on passing downs and put Grant in on running downs. The problem is Grant isn't a notorious pass rusher. He can't pass rush from the out side he DEFINATELY won't be able to pass rush from the inside. The Saints will do exactly what the Giants did to generate a pass rush. From the outside Grant doesn’t have the speed but can still get to the QB but Grant will have an advantage over an offensive guard with speed and power. With that being said, the need for a DT in the first round is not necessary. With McCray we have 3 quality DE’s and all can stop the run as well. We can get a DT in round 3 so LB/CB will be the position taken in the draft. And we should get the highest rated LB/CB available but I’m leaning towards USC/Keith Rivers
BIGEASY504 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 487