Trading Up to get Dorsey
 

It looks like Kansas City wants to trade down from #5. This would only cost us 300 points and most likely a 3rd this year and a 4th next year. It seems that in order to get Ellis we only need to jump ahead of Cincy. That only costs us 200 points or a 3rd round pick.

Kansas City (it is rumored) is looking to trade with Dallas but might not want to trade that far down. Assuming we make a trade with KC, and both Ellis, Dorsey and Mc Fadden are there and Dallas wants to make the trade, do you take Dallas's 2 #1 picks. I really don't think Payton is targeting McFadden because he's kind of like another Reggie Bush.

Knowing the Saints...
If we pass on McFadden and trade him to Dallas, he'll become all world and our picks will become at best average players or busts. It just seems to alway work out that way. Based on previous Saints drafts... if we pick Dorsey, his career is over, and if we take Ellis, he will be too slow to make a difference, get fat and spend too much time playing Madden.

These trades may actually happen and it's not totally out of the question although the other stuff I made up and shouldn't happen..... shouldn't? Well it's always a possiblity. LOL

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All valid points. The only one I disagree with is McFadden being a RB like Reggie Bush. McFadden is an every down running back.

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yea.. i dont see whats with the bush-mcfadden comparision.. they arent anything alike...

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Exactly.... Bush was thought to be MUCH BETTER coming out of college.

I'm not a McFadden believer obviously, so I agree that he doesn't make sense for the Saints at #5. If they're going to take a RB I'd much rather see ( like another thread in here ) the trade down to take Mendenhall, or possibly waiting until the 3rd to get Forte.

I'd be very interested in the trade up to get Ellis though.

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If you don't think McFadden is the best running back in the league, then you obviously have never watched him play. The guy does it all: runs inside, runs outside, catches the ball, and throws it; and he does it all better than any other back in the draft. He's faster than any other draftee, besides Chris Johnson of ECU, and he can also be a power back. The only two knocks I see on him are that he can fumble sometimes, and he has character issues.

Now I'm not saying that I want to draft him, because I don't, but I do think he's by far the best back in the draft. He's the SEC's 2nd leading all-time rusher. That's saying something.

I do like the idea of trading up for Dorsey, but I'd like to see how it plays out on draft day (ie see if Rivers or Ellis would fall to #10).

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Do you really think we're gonna pay another RB top 10 money this year?? No way to McFadden and his pencil legs.

BPA at 10 or let's entertain suitors for the pick. Plain and simple.

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Trading up would be a option if the FO has their eye on one of the two DT's. I would love to see either in Black n Gold. (I would prefer Dorsey if I had a choice though)

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I agree and they both could end up going VERY early. So to sit and wait for one of them to fall to us would be foolish. I would also perfer Dorsey and I don't think I would move up into the top 5 to get him... (to costly). But at 6 if he is there I would have a deal worked out just in case and pull the trigger if he is.

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Have you been paying attention to any of my threads or posts? I'm not against trading down if we get an adquate long term replacement for Deuce.

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Lot of Negativity ,Man you guys are bumming me out!!!!

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pierre has better records at illinois than your boy mendenhall.. and he is only 15 pounds lighter..

i'd rather pass on all those runningbacks.. draft a dang rb next season.. just sign another undrafted rb if need be.. aka pierre thomas.

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Everyone is wondering what the saints are going to do in the draft and its killing us all. We all know trade possibilities and just plain past crazy picks in the past. All this mock stuff is cool but we wont know until it happens. I just pray we make it to the BIG ONE this year!!!!!!!!!!

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NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i don't think the saints should trade up for anyone in this draft. there have been previous years where i thought this would be a good thing, but not this year.

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I dont want to see us trade up for anyone in this draft. we should be fine at 10, plus we need all the other picks we have left for this year and next. For DEFENSE !

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Trade up, no way.......trade down for extra second, oh yea!!!

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We traded up to get Sullivan, we should trade up to get Dorsey or Ellis.

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The question really should be "will Dorsey or Ellis at say pick 6, make a bigger impact than say 2 second round picks"?

-Answer, YES. There is a reason these guys are favored to go early in the draft.

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I would not be that upset.

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Really good question.

Hm. OK, I'll stick myself out on a limb, say what I really think.

1) I think Dorsey could make the difference
2) I don't think Ellis could, I think multiple 2nd rounders would do us better

You know, we have a bad track record trading up to the #6 pick for defensive tackles. Think Jonathan Sullivan.

Personally, I think our best option is to trade down, and get more draft picks. We need an awesome safety. We need another OLB. And of course we need better CB's. I WISH WISH WISH that guy from Wingate had worded out. And the jury's still out on Usama. But anyway, we're not going to get Dorsey, I just don't see it happening. I had more hopes for getting Dewayne Robertson than I ever did for Dorsey - I just don't think we'll get him.

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That wasnt a very good example infact now I for sure do not want to trade up.

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I think if Dorsey falls past the number 5 spot, there has to be strong consideration to trade up and grab him. To me it is worth it to get a potential difference maker. All I know is when he was playing at his best that LSU defense was remarkable. When he was limited that great defense became very suspect. To me this would be a good gamble to take by trading up and getting him. I just wouldn't want to have to trade into the top 5 to get him. That would be way too costly for a team that is still trying to build a defense.

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actually the 10th pick is worth a value of 1300 pts and the 5th pick is worth 1700 pts so all it would really take for us to get up to the top 5 would be a 2nd round pick next year... our 2nd round pick this year has a value of 490 pts so KC would also have to include a 4th round pick this year to make the trade workout

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also, in retrospect, for us to trade back and pick up a decent 2nd round pick.. we would have to move back in the 1st round to about pick 18-20 or so...

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Which would be more than enough to secure the premier safety in this draft - probably the one position we need more than any other.

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Can't help but think back a few years ago.
I was happily convinced that we were going to take Thomas Smith from UGA.
We took Jamaal Brown from OU instead.
Panthers got Smith. I was shocked.
Happy now!
What is the problem with getting competent safeties for this team?
I have tried to be optimistic............

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I love Steltz. His Heart. His dedication. His ....Tigerness b/cause I Heart Tigers.
Problem comes in when U and I Heart Tigers.
If steltz is an all-pro with a different team then cool.
Let the Saints draft him and he is anything BUT ALL-PRO then he was a HOMER PICK!
Can't Win Bro.
I believe that Craig Steltz is an Amazing Human Being.
Draft Status be damned!
Good Kid should get a chance!
BTW.... who else ?

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There's no way we trade up to get Dorsey. He's most likely going in the top 4 and that will be solidified after his pro day next week.

Ellis is another matter entirely. If he's still available after the Jets pick at 6 I believe we have to pull the trigger and trade with New England to move up and get him. This guy is a beast and along with the rest of our upgraded front 7 should be enough to make just about any secondary look like world beaters. We need a pass rush more than anything in my opinion. Last season you could've put Champ Bailey in our secondary and he would've looked average because opposing quarterbacks had all day to throw against us.

If Ellis isn't there and McKelvin (my best guess is that if Ellis isn't there and we don't trade with New England, their intent is to select McKelvin at 7) isn't there at 10 I think the best thing to do is try and trade down to later in the 1st round and at that point take the best CB/S/LB on the board and use the next pick on a CB or LB as well.

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trading up to get an injury risk dt...ummmmmm...NO!

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..and get Connor ... Connor + an extra 2nd ?