Trade Down!

HUSKER · 03-21-2008, 01:42 AM

If we trade down we can get better value and extra picks, High rated DT's (D. Robertson and J. Sullivan) never live up to the hype and CB's are deep in this draft with alot of question marks at the top(small schools). I would rather drop down get Rivers or a corner in round one and hope Cason falls to two or take the best d-man available.

cajunasian61 · 03-21-2008, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by HUSKER

If we trade down we can get better value and extra picks, High rated DT's (D. Robertson and J. Sullivan) never live up to the hype and CB's are deep in this draft with alot of question marks at the top(small schools). I would rather drop down get Rivers or a corner in round one and hope Cason falls to two or take the best d-man available.

I would love the Saints to trade down, but I doubt that they will find any takers. Other teams realize this is a pretty deep draft as well, so they won't want to trade up. The only way I could see this happening is if somehow McFadden slips to the Saints at 10, then then Saints coud probably get Jerry Jones to pull a Ditka and trade away his entire draft (again this is highly unlikely bc if McFadden does slip Jones will pull the trigger on a deal before McFadden gets to 10).

Euphoria · 03-21-2008, 02:39 AM

I can't argue trading down. Snag some extra picks. Plenty of talent, and no question I think we are sitting in a great spot to where every option is available to us.
Trading up to 6... in front of the pats will do a lot of good as well. Snaging whomever we think we need the most just before the Pats get there pic. Especially if its a DT or LB. I don't think we should take chances if someone is your guy you got get him.
The only thing I can see us taking at the 10 spot is a WR.

foreverfan · 03-21-2008, 07:31 PM

I don't think we take a QB at 10 either. It make since that we will stay where we are and draft defense, but don't count out drafting Deuce's ultimate replacement either.

TheDeuce · 03-22-2008, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by HUSKER

If we trade down we can get better value and extra picks, High rated DT's (D. Robertson and J. Sullivan) never live up to the hype and CB's are deep in this draft with alot of question marks at the top(small schools). I would rather drop down get Rivers or a corner in round one and hope Cason falls to two or take the best d-man available.

Not to be an a*hole, but saying that high rated DTs never live up to the hype is a little absurd. Here are first round DTs in the lst few years who have been solid players:

Haloti Ngata, Tommie Harris, Travis Johnson, John Henderson, Marcus Stroud, Vince Wilfork, Broderick Bunkley, Casey Hampton, Luis Castillo, Albert Haynesworth, Booger McFarland.

But in terms of the trade down, if we could trade down to somewhere later in the first round, I'd be all for that. However that just doesn't happen very often. I really don't want to trade out of the first round.

gandhi1007 · 03-22-2008, 12:39 AM

I think we stay put at #10. Someone we don't expect to be there is going to fall to us.

HUSKER · 03-22-2008, 03:01 AM

Hey Deuce, some of the players you mentioned weren't even top ten, but if you want to go first round here are a couple of first rounders for you. Trevor Johnson, William Joseph, , Ryan Simms, Wendal Bryant, Gerrald Warren, Damione Lewis, Reggie McGrew and John McCargo. There are alot of top 10 guys in there that were certain NFL stars that haven't done sh!t with there teams or are on there 2nd or 3rd team

TheDeuce · 03-22-2008, 03:25 AM

True Husker, there are a lot of top 10 DTs that don't make it. But if you look at those drafts, I'd bet you'd find that a lot of the guys that didn't make it weren't graded as highly as Dorsey or Ellis. These guys receive elite draft grades and, although it's obviously not a sure thing, appear to be pretty safe picks. A guy like John McCargo who was picked high was probably drafted that high because he filled the need and was the best DT in a mediocre pool of talent. The DTs in this draft are actually pretty deep, led by elite-graded Dorsey and Ellis.

HUSKER · 03-22-2008, 03:39 AM

Gerrald Warren, Ryan Simms, Wendall Bryant, Jimmy Kennedy, Jon Sullivan, Dewayne Robertson all elite DT's in the last couple of years, What happened to them? If you go back and see how they were rated, it can't be any worse than Dorsey and Ellis. These were all players coming out that didn't have questions about injuries in college, they were going to turn programs around. Sound about right?

03-21-2008, 01:42 AM	#1
HUSKER Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 24	Trade Down! If we trade down we can get better value and extra picks, High rated DT's (D. Robertson and J. Sullivan) never live up to the hype and CB's are deep in this draft with alot of question marks at the top(small schools). I would rather drop down get Rivers or a corner in round one and hope Cason falls to two or take the best d-man available.
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03-21-2008, 02:13 AM	#2
cajunasian61 Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Evansville, IN (Where is that?) Posts: 64	Re: Trade Down! Originally Posted by HUSKER If we trade down we can get better value and extra picks, High rated DT's (D. Robertson and J. Sullivan) never live up to the hype and CB's are deep in this draft with alot of question marks at the top(small schools). I would rather drop down get Rivers or a corner in round one and hope Cason falls to two or take the best d-man available. I would love the Saints to trade down, but I doubt that they will find any takers. Other teams realize this is a pretty deep draft as well, so they won't want to trade up. The only way I could see this happening is if somehow McFadden slips to the Saints at 10, then then Saints coud probably get Jerry Jones to pull a Ditka and trade away his entire draft (again this is highly unlikely bc if McFadden does slip Jones will pull the trigger on a deal before McFadden gets to 10).

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Trade Down! I can't argue trading down. Snag some extra picks. Plenty of talent, and no question I think we are sitting in a great spot to where every option is available to us. Trading up to 6... in front of the pats will do a lot of good as well. Snaging whomever we think we need the most just before the Pats get there pic. Especially if its a DT or LB. I don't think we should take chances if someone is your guy you got get him. The only thing I can see us taking at the 10 spot is a WR.
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03-21-2008, 07:31 PM	#4
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Trade Down! I don't think we take a QB at 10 either. It make since that we will stay where we are and draft defense, but don't count out drafting Deuce's ultimate replacement either.

03-22-2008, 12:24 AM	#5
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Trade Down! Originally Posted by HUSKER If we trade down we can get better value and extra picks, High rated DT's (D. Robertson and J. Sullivan) never live up to the hype and CB's are deep in this draft with alot of question marks at the top(small schools). I would rather drop down get Rivers or a corner in round one and hope Cason falls to two or take the best d-man available. Not to be an a*hole, but saying that high rated DTs never live up to the hype is a little absurd. Here are first round DTs in the lst few years who have been solid players: Haloti Ngata, Tommie Harris, Travis Johnson, John Henderson, Marcus Stroud, Vince Wilfork, Broderick Bunkley, Casey Hampton, Luis Castillo, Albert Haynesworth, Booger McFarland. But in terms of the trade down, if we could trade down to somewhere later in the first round, I'd be all for that. However that just doesn't happen very often. I really don't want to trade out of the first round.
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gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Trade Down! I think we stay put at #10. Someone we don't expect to be there is going to fall to us.

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HUSKER Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 24	Re: Trade Down! Hey Deuce, some of the players you mentioned weren't even top ten, but if you want to go first round here are a couple of first rounders for you. Trevor Johnson, William Joseph, , Ryan Simms, Wendal Bryant, Gerrald Warren, Damione Lewis, Reggie McGrew and John McCargo. There are alot of top 10 guys in there that were certain NFL stars that haven't done sh!t with there teams or are on there 2nd or 3rd team
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03-22-2008, 03:25 AM	#8
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Trade Down! True Husker, there are a lot of top 10 DTs that don't make it. But if you look at those drafts, I'd bet you'd find that a lot of the guys that didn't make it weren't graded as highly as Dorsey or Ellis. These guys receive elite draft grades and, although it's obviously not a sure thing, appear to be pretty safe picks. A guy like John McCargo who was picked high was probably drafted that high because he filled the need and was the best DT in a mediocre pool of talent. The DTs in this draft are actually pretty deep, led by elite-graded Dorsey and Ellis.
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03-22-2008, 03:39 AM	#9
HUSKER Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 24	Re: Trade Down! Gerrald Warren, Ryan Simms, Wendall Bryant, Jimmy Kennedy, Jon Sullivan, Dewayne Robertson all elite DT's in the last couple of years, What happened to them? If you go back and see how they were rated, it can't be any worse than Dorsey and Ellis. These were all players coming out that didn't have questions about injuries in college, they were going to turn programs around. Sound about right?
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