Saints Eyeing TE?

Papa Voodoo · 04-15-2008, 12:05 PM

I'd say stick with Billy Miller. Does anyone remember him not being open or not catching the ball? Me either.

saintsfan1976 · 04-15-2008, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

I'd say stick with Billy Miller. Does anyone remember him not being open or not catching the ball? Me either.

Played 16 gms, start 6, caught 27 balls for 328 yds/2 TDs/NO FUMBLES.

Just under 2 catches a game. Probably lost behind E Johnson (who I don't like)

Looks like a great #2. But Shockey is a whole different ballgame...

thesaintsfan · 04-15-2008, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

I'd say stick with Billy Miller. Does anyone remember him not being open or not catching the ball? Me either.

Miller is a solid number two or three TE but he has never been able to change the game the way a big time TE does. What I'm saying is that a big time TE could bring a whole new dynamic to our offense and really open things up.

thesaintsfan · 04-15-2008, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by FrenzyFan

A lot of arguments made here that assert that TE is the "missing piece" of our offense. I have to assume you all really believe that, but for the life of me I cannot remember any team ever that had a TE added to the roster and suddenly everything came together. I've seen that scenario with an RB, with a QB, with an LB, even with a DT.... but never with a TE.

I wouldn't pay anything higher than a 3rd rnd pick for Shockey and nothing from next years draft. I think we need a better TE, but I simply cannot wrap my head around the idea that "if we just had a TE, we'd be deadly"

A great TE does make an offense better. Look at the Chargers and Chiefs. The Ravens have no passing game when Heap is hurt. Winslow Jr. is the key to the Browns air attack. If it wasn't for him defenses would double B. Edwards and take him out of the game. In today's NFL TEs can change the game.

Don't get me wrong, our offense is already lethal so it's not like we need a TE to come in and be the focal point of our offense. What I'm saying is that a top notch TE could put us over the top by creating more space for our playmakers to create. That's not my opinion, that's just simple xs and os. Maybe you could wrap your head around the idea if we had a chalk board on this site. I'll say it right now, if we get a good TE we will have one of the best and most versatile offenses of all time, period.

BRSaintsFan · 04-15-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by thesaintsfan

A great TE does make an offense better. Look at the Chargers and Chiefs. The Ravens have no passing game when Heap is hurt. Winslow Jr. is the key to the Browns air attack. If it wasn't for him defenses would double B. Edwards and take him out of the game. In today's NFL TEs can change the game.

Don't get me wrong, our offense is already lethal so it's not like we need a TE to come in and be the focal point of our offense. What I'm saying is that a top notch TE could put us over the top by creating more space for our playmakers to create. That's not my opinion, that's just simple xs and os. Maybe you could wrap your head around the idea if we had a chalk board on this site. I'll say it right now, if we get a good TE we will have one of the best and most versatile offenses of all time, period.

Theres no debating that a good TE will certainly open the offense even more and indeed make us possibly the most lethal offense in the league. But are we willing to sacrifice a solid defensive prospect that could contribute immediately to take a Keller or Davis? I think that our offense is still capable of putting up plenty of points with the TEs that we currently have although they are by no means top notch players at the position. Now if the front office and coaches truly feel that adding that extra dimension to the offense inherently helps the defense by allowing the offense to gain leads quickly and force opposing offenses to abandon their run game or by allowing us to move the chains more efficiently and keep opposing defenses off of th field, then grabbing Keller in the second is a solid pick. I personally just think that there are defensive players that will be available there that would bring greater impact to the weak spots on the team. But granted, it would be mighty enjoyable to see how defensives would attempt to match up with Colston, Bush, and a receiving threat like Keller on the field. That would force defensive to commit more DBs instead of LBs....

lsutigerfan · 04-15-2008, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

Our offense is fine. Damn. Our TE's are more than servicable.

We need Defense! No drafting offense. We need CB, DT, LB in any order. I really can't fathom any other opinions at this point. Time has not made me forget just how God Awful our D played last year.

FINALLY someone I can agree with I've been screaming this for weeks I dont understand why everyone feels the need to address the offense and ignore the defense draft Mendenhall in the first and trade our second for shockey thats not what we need. We need to draft defense defense defense with our first three picks I'm tired of watching offenses go through our defense like if we are not even on the field.

04-15-2008, 12:05 PM	#21
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: Saints Eyeing TE? I'd say stick with Billy Miller. Does anyone remember him not being open or not catching the ball? Me either.

04-15-2008, 03:31 PM	#22
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,806 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Eyeing TE? Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo I'd say stick with Billy Miller. Does anyone remember him not being open or not catching the ball? Me either. Played 16 gms, start 6, caught 27 balls for 328 yds/2 TDs/NO FUMBLES. Just under 2 catches a game. Probably lost behind E Johnson (who I don't like) Looks like a great #2. But Shockey is a whole different ballgame...

04-15-2008, 03:44 PM	#23
thesaintsfan The Real Deal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 174	Re: Saints Eyeing TE? Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo I'd say stick with Billy Miller. Does anyone remember him not being open or not catching the ball? Me either. Miller is a solid number two or three TE but he has never been able to change the game the way a big time TE does. What I'm saying is that a big time TE could bring a whole new dynamic to our offense and really open things up.

04-15-2008, 03:58 PM	#24
thesaintsfan The Real Deal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 174	Re: Saints Eyeing TE? Originally Posted by FrenzyFan A lot of arguments made here that assert that TE is the "missing piece" of our offense. I have to assume you all really believe that, but for the life of me I cannot remember any team ever that had a TE added to the roster and suddenly everything came together. I've seen that scenario with an RB, with a QB, with an LB, even with a DT.... but never with a TE. I wouldn't pay anything higher than a 3rd rnd pick for Shockey and nothing from next years draft. I think we need a better TE, but I simply cannot wrap my head around the idea that "if we just had a TE, we'd be deadly" A great TE does make an offense better. Look at the Chargers and Chiefs. The Ravens have no passing game when Heap is hurt. Winslow Jr. is the key to the Browns air attack. If it wasn't for him defenses would double B. Edwards and take him out of the game. In today's NFL TEs can change the game. Don't get me wrong, our offense is already lethal so it's not like we need a TE to come in and be the focal point of our offense. What I'm saying is that a top notch TE could put us over the top by creating more space for our playmakers to create. That's not my opinion, that's just simple xs and os. Maybe you could wrap your head around the idea if we had a chalk board on this site. I'll say it right now, if we get a good TE we will have one of the best and most versatile offenses of all time, period.
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04-15-2008, 06:41 PM	#25
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: Saints Eyeing TE? Originally Posted by thesaintsfan A great TE does make an offense better. Look at the Chargers and Chiefs. The Ravens have no passing game when Heap is hurt. Winslow Jr. is the key to the Browns air attack. If it wasn't for him defenses would double B. Edwards and take him out of the game. In today's NFL TEs can change the game. Don't get me wrong, our offense is already lethal so it's not like we need a TE to come in and be the focal point of our offense. What I'm saying is that a top notch TE could put us over the top by creating more space for our playmakers to create. That's not my opinion, that's just simple xs and os. Maybe you could wrap your head around the idea if we had a chalk board on this site. I'll say it right now, if we get a good TE we will have one of the best and most versatile offenses of all time, period. Theres no debating that a good TE will certainly open the offense even more and indeed make us possibly the most lethal offense in the league. But are we willing to sacrifice a solid defensive prospect that could contribute immediately to take a Keller or Davis? I think that our offense is still capable of putting up plenty of points with the TEs that we currently have although they are by no means top notch players at the position. Now if the front office and coaches truly feel that adding that extra dimension to the offense inherently helps the defense by allowing the offense to gain leads quickly and force opposing offenses to abandon their run game or by allowing us to move the chains more efficiently and keep opposing defenses off of th field, then grabbing Keller in the second is a solid pick. I personally just think that there are defensive players that will be available there that would bring greater impact to the weak spots on the team. But granted, it would be mighty enjoyable to see how defensives would attempt to match up with Colston, Bush, and a receiving threat like Keller on the field. That would force defensive to commit more DBs instead of LBs....

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04-15-2008, 07:21 PM	#26
lsutigerfan 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: born And raised in NOLA, now live in Los Angeles Posts: 811	Re: Saints Eyeing TE? Originally Posted by stockman311 Our offense is fine. Damn. Our TE's are more than servicable. We need Defense! No drafting offense. We need CB, DT, LB in any order. I really can't fathom any other opinions at this point. Time has not made me forget just how God Awful our D played last year. FINALLY someone I can agree with I've been screaming this for weeks I dont understand why everyone feels the need to address the offense and ignore the defense draft Mendenhall in the first and trade our second for shockey thats not what we need. We need to draft defense defense defense with our first three picks I'm tired of watching offenses go through our defense like if we are not even on the field.