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The enigmatic star has been caused teammates and coaches to pull their hair out since his rookie year, in 2002. Shockey came out early, making comments on the Howard Stern Show about his distaste for the potential of homosexual teammates in the shower. While it was an early sign on his later troubles, much was forgotten due to the promise he showed, winning the Rookie of the Year Award. Throughout the early portion of his career, he was matched up with strong-willed and vocal quarterbacks Kerry Collins, and then Kurt Warner. With the later ascension of quarterback Eli Manning to starter late in the 2004 season, a tumultuous relationship began.

It’s no shock now that the rumors are flowing of a possible Shockey trade. There are strong indications a draft day deal involving the New Orleans second round pick and third-year safety Roman Harper for Shockey will go through, although both teams are denying it at the moment. Shockey has even been rumored to say that he’s looking forward to being on the Saints, and has started to put interest on real estate in the region.

On paper, like most of Shockey’s career, this move makes sense. Sean Payton’s offense would greatly benefit from the presence of a reliable receiving option at tight end. Shockey would draw down a safety for coverage, which would not allow teams to double cover Marcus Colston over the top, or to bracket him. Throughout his career, Shockey has also done a good job of moving the chains in the past, and is a flawless route runner. The Saints red-zone packages would also benefit from the presence of Shockey who would increase their options down in enemy territory, and limit their predictability. Also, quarterback Drew Brees has a high comfort level in his tight ends, and loves to distribute the ball to them. Not since his time in San Diego with Antonio Gates has Brees had such a capable tight end.

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i think its also important to note that shockey had his best season when payton was the offensive co. of the giants

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Thats what makes me think we are going to get this done........What do you think?:bartinator:

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Here's another.
Jeremy Shockey OK with trade talk

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Shockey came out early, making comments on the Howard Stern Show about his distaste for the potential of homosexual teammates in the shower.

Small wienkie???

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Shockey came out early, making comments on the Howard Stern Show about his distaste for the potential of homosexual teammates in the shower.

Didn't know they would taste different in the shower.

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Shockey hopefully can mature as he gets a little older and maybe reuniting with Payton will make him a little less of a locker room distraction should the trade happen.

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I don't think that I've reiterated in a while that any move on the #10 pick that doesn't result in the acquisition of a solid defensive starter is a bad idea. Also any move that trades even a somewhat solid defensive starter (such as Harper) for an offensive player is also a bad idea.

I just feel like jawing a bit today. It almost seems like folks are so interested in acquiring offensive talent so that they can stock their fantasy football teams. "Can you imagine Brees' and Shockey's stats if they play together?"

The Saints have 6 TE. SIX! The team thought well enough of two free agents to resign them. Brees threw for nearly 4500 yards with supposedly crappy tight ends last year.

I really hope all this Shockey stuff is a smoke screen and that the Saints will use their early draft picks for solid defensive talent that will help the defense get off the field.

Just a reminder just in case you hadn't read it in a while.

SFIAH

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It very well may be a smoke screen and Im fine if they do not pull off the trade. But would you rather them spend the 10 on Rivers and then spend the 40 on Keller or another TE in the draft. Granted it is only a mock draft, but many a experts are predicting the Saints going after Keller. I like Harper but think that he is expendable. KK or Bullocks is versatile enough to make the move to SS with the other manning the FS spot. We will have to make a move in the draft or maybe after the June 1 cuts to get some additional depth at the position, but I would rather see the Saints make the trade for Shockey then not make the trade and get Keller. Keller will be a good player IMO, but Shockey is a proven playmaker. Im not overly pushing for the trade but would not be disappointed if it happened.

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Michael Smith just reported on ESPN's On The Clock that he believes Shockey will be a Saint before the draft EITHER for the Saints 2nd round pick OR Roman Harper and a late second day pick. Im all down with Harper and a later round pick. That still gives us the flexibility to possibly make a run at Dorsey as speculated by swapping 1s and giving our 2 or to still get Rivers at 10 and a CB at 40.

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I agree that the #10 pick HAS to yield defensive talent. No question

... but out of the 6 TEs the Saints have, the best one is Billy Miller. Yes, Billy Miller. So, I would not mind the 2nd round pick going to the Giants for Shockey, unless someone can guarantee me that they'll get Ellis in the first round and Connor in the 2nd round.

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Good.

Actually I agree with this assessment. I think Billy Miller should win the starting job outright. All he seems to do is make plays.

I'd love that guarantee too. But sadly it's probably going to take a move up to #7 or #8 to get Ellis and may require some shuffling of the #2 or #3 pick to pull it off.

So I don't think an Ellis/Connor (or Ellis/Mayo?) would be a lock by any stretch of the imagination.

But the talk sounds like the Saints offense will go kaput if they don't get Shockey. Or Chad Johnson. Thank goodness the Clady chatter finally died.

What this offense needs more than anything else is a defense that supports them and erases their inevitable screwups. A defense that can get scoring in the ballpark of 17 PPG. That defense coupled with the existing healthy offense will most likely be in Tampa come next January.

A TE won't get the Saints to the promised land. A stud DT/LB/CB combo with the existing offense just may be able to pull it off.

SFIAH

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Getting Dorsey will cost a whole lot more than swapping 1's and giving our 2.

If we do loose Harper then we should trade back from #10 for more value picks.

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Maybe so but using the updated value chart for picks

Rams #2 = 1900

Saints #10= 1375 + Saints #40 500 = 1875

With the Rams having needs all across the board, they would seemingly like to trade down.

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I am not crazy about Harper and a late pick at all.

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I think that Shockey is a great pass catching, play making tight, but it seemed when given the opportunity Billy Miller was a major asset. I remember in many games last year(and at crucial times) he and Colston weremkng the huge plays. And I could be wrong but it seemed like he was always creating seperation between defenders. I could be off but it seems like he could be an offensive weapon. I just think we should load up on defense as much as possible. Any thoughts on Miller.

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I am not a fan of this. I do not think we are in this big of a need for a TE

I believe our offense will be fine without Shockey

I would hope we could possibly pick another defensive player and build some depth either in the Secondary/Line

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A voice of reason screaming in the wilderness.

I just wanted to let you know that I hear you. I hear you.

SFIAH

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I like Billy Miller and he is an asset as a receiver. His greatest value is finding the gaps underneath and settling in for the dumpoff. Shockey would bring a different dimension to the offense in that he can not only catch the dumpoff, but also make something out of it. Again, I think Miller is great for Brees being able to check off to, but Shockey provides mismatch problems against any defense in the league along with the ability to stretch the middle of the field as well as make plays in the seams of the defense. If it happens, it adds a great dimension to the offense. If somehow it could happen with Harper and a late pick, you still leave yourself the flexibility to make a play at Dorsey, or stay at 10 and take Rivers or a corner. You also hang onto the 2nd round pick where you can either go corner/LB/DT or possibly even get a Kenny Phillips if he somehow falls to replace Harper at S. I like Harper but I think that Bullocks and KK can get effectively get the job done with some other players around them. Ideally, I would like to see the Shockey trade happen for Bullocks in a late pick, but that may be wishful thinking.

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im sorry but i totally disagree with this.. after reggie brees and colston we have an injured deuce and a bunch of other players who wouldnt likely see playing time on alot of other teams.. we definetly need another playmaker on offense to take the pressure off colston and reggie to do something..

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I want us to swap picks. Do not give away picks. That allows us to still address other areas of need. kill two birds with one stone