mckelvin works out for payton

WVSaint · 04-22-2008, 09:14 PM

mckelvin is the only CB worth taking at 10, i think hes the only CB that would make an impact this year. sure drc has a lot of upside, but can we afford to wait 2-3 years on him?

and i still think rivers can be there at 10

CantonLegend · 04-22-2008, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by WVSaint

mckelvin is the only CB worth taking at 10, i think hes the only CB that would make an impact this year. sure drc has a lot of upside, but can we afford to wait 2-3 years on him?

and i still think rivers can be there at 10

i think that both DRC and mckelvin would be worth the 10th pick....we have our linebackers for this season and i dont think we can upgrade our linebacking core by drafting rivers.....i think that fujita is sufficient enough to hold down the 3rd linebacker position...i just think our biggest need is CB....until recently...everybody considered it our biggest need....for some reason ppl over examine all the players in the draft and now apparently our biggest need is DT?....i dont understand that...we need to draft mckelvin at 10...i truely believe it will play out like that

QBREES9 · 04-22-2008, 10:09 PM

Is Mckelvin as good as DARRELLE REVIS. Unless the Saints are trading up to get him. He'll never fall to the SAINTS

WVSaint · 04-22-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

for some reason ppl over examine all the players in the draft and now apparently our biggest need is DT?....i dont understand that...

i think DT is our biggest need. pressure up front wins games. not only that but have you seen the RBs we face next year? it doesnt sit well with me.

grant, portis, peterson, gore, larry johnson, LT, whoever denver has is always successful, i still think the raiders will draft mcfadden, earnest graham did well against us in the 2nd game last year. i dont think we're that great against the run, we didnt give up much per game due to the fact that teams could throw at will.

CantonLegend · 04-22-2008, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by WVSaint

i think DT is our biggest need. pressure up front wins games. not only that but have you seen the RBs we face next year? it doesnt sit well with me.

grant, portis, peterson, gore, larry johnson, LT, whoever denver has is always successful, i still think the raiders will draft mcfadden, earnest graham did well against us in the 2nd game last year. i dont think we're that great against the run, we didnt give up much per game due to the fact that teams could throw at will.

all of those teams have trouble passing the ball....u cant draft based on one year.....we need a DT but i have an idea they will move Charles grant to DT this year on certain occassions....we keep signing and trading for all of these CBs that are nothing more than sub-par....our biggest needs as u pretty much proved in ur statement is CB.....we got torched bc jason david sucked....i say that with the entire saints nation backing me

WVSaint · 04-22-2008, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

all of those teams have trouble passing the ball....u cant draft based on one year.....we need a DT but i have an idea they will move Charles grant to DT this year on certain occassions....we keep signing and trading for all of these CBs that are nothing more than sub-par....our biggest needs as u pretty much proved in ur statement is CB.....we got torched bc jason david sucked....i say that with the entire saints nation backing me

if we get pressure up front, our CB dont have to be stellar. denvers secondary was terrible last year due to no defensive line pressure. they have champ and dre, thats about as good of a duo that youll find in the league. and as far as drafting for one year, our DT are all ancient, and we need to get younger at that position in a hurry.

hagan714 · 04-22-2008, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

Is Mckelvin as good as DARRELLE REVIS. Unless the Saints are trading up to get him. He'll never fall to the SAINTS

Thats a reach Q. Way to early to tell. I do not think he would have been drafted ahead of him.

dasaints26 · 04-23-2008, 01:07 AM

I just have a question about the big topic of the day? If the cb position would be upgraded with more pressure on the qb why was only one cb constantly burned?

It was not the play of our cbs that sucked but the play of our front 7. Sure it would help if the qb never throws the ball because he gets sacked on every pass play. But lets be real MM didnt give up all those big pass plays JD did. No amount of pressure from the front 7 is going to help when a cb playing man-to-man bites on every play action pass.

CornerBack is a position of need but it will be a surpise which if any of these cbs we have ranked as a #10 talent. Pretty sure we have Rivers ranked that high and lb is a position of need also. I dont think they will count on Morgan as a constant and reliable starter and it will keep Simeneua on the sidelines.

JKool · 04-23-2008, 01:28 AM

At 10 we should take Rivers if he is there. What use is a CB if people can run on us? Also, CBs are a way bigger gamble than LBs in the first round.

I'd like to see us move up for a DT, but that will be costly. If we don't, BPA is Rivers at 10.

I don't think it is so obvious that a pass rush will automatically help the secondary as appears to be expressed here. Further, a good secondary will help the pass rush - but one CB won't improve our secondary that much, whereas one DT will improve our pass rush substantially.

Maybe I'm a bit gun shy on building the secondary when our run defense has struggled. A pass rusher will also play in the front seven and a good player will help more here against the run than a member of the secondary.

04-22-2008, 09:14 PM	#11
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Re: mckelvin works out for payton mckelvin is the only CB worth taking at 10, i think hes the only CB that would make an impact this year. sure drc has a lot of upside, but can we afford to wait 2-3 years on him? and i still think rivers can be there at 10

04-22-2008, 09:30 PM	#12
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: mckelvin works out for payton Originally Posted by WVSaint mckelvin is the only CB worth taking at 10, i think hes the only CB that would make an impact this year. sure drc has a lot of upside, but can we afford to wait 2-3 years on him? and i still think rivers can be there at 10 i think that both DRC and mckelvin would be worth the 10th pick....we have our linebackers for this season and i dont think we can upgrade our linebacking core by drafting rivers.....i think that fujita is sufficient enough to hold down the 3rd linebacker position...i just think our biggest need is CB....until recently...everybody considered it our biggest need....for some reason ppl over examine all the players in the draft and now apparently our biggest need is DT?....i dont understand that...we need to draft mckelvin at 10...i truely believe it will play out like that
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04-22-2008, 10:09 PM	#13
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: mckelvin works out for payton Is Mckelvin as good as DARRELLE REVIS. Unless the Saints are trading up to get him. He'll never fall to the SAINTS

04-22-2008, 10:12 PM	#14
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Re: mckelvin works out for payton Originally Posted by CantonLegend for some reason ppl over examine all the players in the draft and now apparently our biggest need is DT?....i dont understand that... i think DT is our biggest need. pressure up front wins games. not only that but have you seen the RBs we face next year? it doesnt sit well with me. grant, portis, peterson, gore, larry johnson, LT, whoever denver has is always successful, i still think the raiders will draft mcfadden, earnest graham did well against us in the 2nd game last year. i dont think we're that great against the run, we didnt give up much per game due to the fact that teams could throw at will.

04-22-2008, 10:20 PM	#15
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: mckelvin works out for payton Originally Posted by WVSaint i think DT is our biggest need. pressure up front wins games. not only that but have you seen the RBs we face next year? it doesnt sit well with me. grant, portis, peterson, gore, larry johnson, LT, whoever denver has is always successful, i still think the raiders will draft mcfadden, earnest graham did well against us in the 2nd game last year. i dont think we're that great against the run, we didnt give up much per game due to the fact that teams could throw at will. all of those teams have trouble passing the ball....u cant draft based on one year.....we need a DT but i have an idea they will move Charles grant to DT this year on certain occassions....we keep signing and trading for all of these CBs that are nothing more than sub-par....our biggest needs as u pretty much proved in ur statement is CB.....we got torched bc jason david sucked....i say that with the entire saints nation backing me

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04-22-2008, 10:35 PM	#16
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Re: mckelvin works out for payton Originally Posted by CantonLegend all of those teams have trouble passing the ball....u cant draft based on one year.....we need a DT but i have an idea they will move Charles grant to DT this year on certain occassions....we keep signing and trading for all of these CBs that are nothing more than sub-par....our biggest needs as u pretty much proved in ur statement is CB.....we got torched bc jason david sucked....i say that with the entire saints nation backing me if we get pressure up front, our CB dont have to be stellar. denvers secondary was terrible last year due to no defensive line pressure. they have champ and dre, thats about as good of a duo that youll find in the league. and as far as drafting for one year, our DT are all ancient, and we need to get younger at that position in a hurry.

04-22-2008, 11:13 PM	#17
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: mckelvin works out for payton Originally Posted by QBREES9 Is Mckelvin as good as DARRELLE REVIS. Unless the Saints are trading up to get him. He'll never fall to the SAINTS Thats a reach Q. Way to early to tell. I do not think he would have been drafted ahead of him.

04-23-2008, 01:07 AM	#18
dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167	Re: mckelvin works out for payton I just have a question about the big topic of the day? If the cb position would be upgraded with more pressure on the qb why was only one cb constantly burned? It was not the play of our cbs that sucked but the play of our front 7. Sure it would help if the qb never throws the ball because he gets sacked on every pass play. But lets be real MM didnt give up all those big pass plays JD did. No amount of pressure from the front 7 is going to help when a cb playing man-to-man bites on every play action pass. CornerBack is a position of need but it will be a surpise which if any of these cbs we have ranked as a #10 talent. Pretty sure we have Rivers ranked that high and lb is a position of need also. I dont think they will count on Morgan as a constant and reliable starter and it will keep Simeneua on the sidelines.
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04-23-2008, 01:28 AM	#19
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: mckelvin works out for payton At 10 we should take Rivers if he is there. What use is a CB if people can run on us? Also, CBs are a way bigger gamble than LBs in the first round. I'd like to see us move up for a DT, but that will be costly. If we don't, BPA is Rivers at 10. I don't think it is so obvious that a pass rush will automatically help the secondary as appears to be expressed here. Further, a good secondary will help the pass rush - but one CB won't improve our secondary that much, whereas one DT will improve our pass rush substantially. Maybe I'm a bit gun shy on building the secondary when our run defense has struggled. A pass rusher will also play in the front seven and a good player will help more here against the run than a member of the secondary.
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