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Is Arrington the new Colston ?

I don't know about anyone else but I can't wait to see this guy, man he can catch.

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yea he has great hands.. i think he is better reciever then manningham who was possed to be one of the top recievers in this draft

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I've seen some people say he will just be a camp body. That's incorrect. He will not only make the team which is stock full with Colston, Meachem, Patten, Henderson, Patten, Moore, Green, etc.. but he will play on Sundays.
I know he's being compared to Colston in terms of where he was picked (7th round) But I like to compare him to Colston bc he is a big receiver (6'3) and makes spectacular catches. He doesn't drop the ball. At times he was more consistent than Mario Manningham (whom I think is one of the best receivers in NCAA last yr)

I'm sooo excited we got another big possession wide receiver.. I hope now Bush can play in the slant more with Deuce & Thomas healthy in the back field.. This offseason has been much more impressive than last years. I'm pumped.

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Imaginative pick. Worthy decision to try him out. You never know.
Could make special teams - can take and make a tackle.

We may have a very reasonable backup by mid-season

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Colston, Mecheum, Patton

Adrian Arrington - Michigan, 6029,203, 4.55
Todd Blythe - Iowa St. 6'5, 214, 4.58

Henderson is safe due to his speed at WR. or is he?

3 rookies and 3 vets.

I like this grouping of WR.

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Lets not get too carried away yet. Dude is a 7th round pick, and he has an uphill battle to make the team. The Saints are pretty loaded at WR so it's no gimme that he makes it. I do hope he makes it, because if he does that means he was better than someone on the current roster. It's a very nice thing to have big guys catching the ball. The big guys just get the first downs and continue drives. It's always nice to have a big WR who can catch a 7 yard pass on 3rd and 8 and just bull an extra yard to get a first down. It's going to be interesting to see what this guy has.

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Can anyone find a good highlight vid of him??

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Me like a lot

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Alright pakowitz - I am sold.

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Meachem should be a freak this season. Patten came on strong the second half of the season.. Colston is Colston.. and Henderson has great speed and is the deep ball threat.. but I still think Arrington makes the team.. I like him much more than Copper.. and if Meachem has any nagging inuries.. Arrington is the next best thing.

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ok, that catch from the other side of anderson was just sick.

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He kooks better catching the ball than "Hands of Stone" Henderson.

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So why did he fall to the seventh round????

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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2637420
:handguns:

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What was the verdict?

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It does no good to pick a player when he can't replace someone on the team. In our case, I think Arrington can handily beat out Lance Moore and Devery Henderson.

Receiving wise, he can probably beat out Copper and Patten, but their intangibles make them too valuable. (I'm expecting the still-young Copper to have a breakout year)

Although Moore brings some excellent hands to the game, I think he is the odd man out.

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Devery sucks.

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There are so many brillant posts on this forum lately.

The reason Devery will make this team is for his speed. You can't coach speed.

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You can't coach catching the ball either...DH is proof of that. The dude's garbage. Colston isn't fast and he is way better than DH. Stallworth is fast and he sucks too. Bullocks is fast and he sucks just as bad as DH. They will never develop into anything that matters. Bethel Johnson's fast too...and oh yeah he sucks. Randel-El, Matt Jones...

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck.

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No doubt Arrington can catch and is a gamer. If he can gain similar separation from defenders in the pros as in college, then he can make the team and likely contribute. However, that is alot easier said than done.

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He is a role player... needed to stretch the field. He serves a purpose.

You can coach catching thats is something you can work on. He made some spectacular grabs this past season. Ya hear how Colston learned how to catch by his coaches??? It can be done.

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I strongly disagree. Having won numerous touch football championships for years, I make the following observations...

CANNOT BE COACHED
Depth preception and body control.
Running full speed with great hand eye cordination.
Jumping for the ball and timing it at it's highest point.
Sensing the defender and positioning yourself to protect the football in a 1/10 of a second.
Laying out for the football correctly.
Controlled precise/cuts routes.
Making spectacular catches look routine.
Speed.
Hand size.

CAN BE COACHED
Learing the playbook.
Looking the ball into your hands and reading Wilson before you run.
Setting up the defender with your route.

Danny Abramowitz once said that a good receiver concentrates on catching the football and a great receiver concentrates on concentrating on catching the football, and their is a difference.

Can concentration be coached? With Devery, sadly, it's always been a work in progress. Still, minus his drops, he is a great receiver with his Ave Yards and TD to catch %.

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This idea that such and such cannot be coached is of interest to me.

Players practice timed jumping, route running, catching, and so on. Practice improves them.

Physical structures set the limit as to what can be improved. For example, a player cannot run faster than his body will allow. However, training certainly can improve a players speed (to a limit); otherwise, why would people "work on" their running form, improving their lower body strength and so on?

Further, I wouldn't keep a player just because he is fast. This why football teams don't simply draft Olympic sprinters. They're fast, but when it comes to football skills, they are worthless. It is possible that a team would be better off redesigning its offensive playbook than keeping a fast player who can't do anything but run fast.

This not to say that I think Henderson is ONLY fast. It is just to say that speed alone isn't a reason to keep him. It is, as Euph points out, the role his speed can play in designing an offensive system that is a reason for keeping him (in addition to any other relevant football skills he has).

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Well then you better give back those championships because you are a fraud.

I coach Little Leage Baseball and won championships as well has flag and tackle football. ...and I will tell you you can coach the following:

Eye hand Coordination
Body Control
Route running
Jumping and Timing
Laying out
catching.

You can't tell me a kid comes out of a womb catching a freakin ball. There are drills you run to develop all of these skill sets instead of just going out there and getting ringers... thats being a fraud of a coach.

I see you do agree with speed which is the gest of my argument, hince he is on the team.

PS you can teach them how to learn a playbook instead of just learing at it, lol.

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Euph, of course you can coach it in little league. All I'm saying is by the time you are a man, you either have it or you don't.

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I still disagree... whats the point in practicing at all. Why was Jerry Rice running routes and catching balls and running all sorts of drills even until his last days on the field. And you know the whole time playing football he was learning ballet for body control right?

Why do Professional baseball players take batting practice... its eye hand coordination.

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Because when you have it, you can prefect it. If you don't have it, no matter how much you practice, you won't become great. You might become better, but you won't become Jerry Rice or Chris Paul.

Sure practice helps, but you either have the intangibles or you don't or everybody would be great.

Some people run fast and other players think 1/10 of a second quicker than others which may be coachable. Still, how do you teach a player to think faster? He either thinks fast or he doesn't. At some point you hit the wall in terms of how good you will be.

So do you think the light is going to go on for Devery or has he hit the wall in terms of how great he can be?

Not everyone can be a Guru.

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I think the dispute here is not over whether such and such can be coached, but rather what is the limit to which coaching (and practice, drills, and so on) can impact a particular trait.

Speed, can be improved, but there is a physical limit (set by the player's muscle structure and so on).

The question is not whether such and such can be coached, rather it is how much coaching will improve such and such.

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But see not you are contridicting... if you have it you can 'perfect it', that implies you can get just a tad better.

Now you are making my point "intangibles" such as speed can't be taught.

You teach a player to think fast by putting him in a position over and over teaching him how to react. Sure over time with age he'll lose a step but you practice and go through situations with your team so they react the way you want them and the more they do it the faster they get at it.

I don't think anyone is asking Devery to be great. He is I think here to serve a purpose. He could get better but his primary role for our offense is to RUN DEVERY RUN. On occasion let one fly out there to him. He's made some great catches. I don't think anyone is asking him to be Jerry Rice. If he was here to do anything other than... ya think he would have been cut by now. YES.

Its takes awhile for WR to get use to the speed and adapt the the NFL especially as a WR.

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He was a very solid pick. Good size & good hands. I wouldn't compare him to Colston, though. The only receiver in this year's draft class that I would compare to Colston is Marcus Monk from Arkansas. I really wish we would have got him too. He's going to be a good one.

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pretty much everything you listed you can coach, except for the stupid stuff that does not matter (like hand size).

you CAN learn how to time your jumps. you CAN fine tune your routes. you CAN improve ball skills. you can even improve your speed. look at TJ hoosh frmo the bengals. he did some free flo do type of **** in the offseason and got ridic faster.

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I hope Arrington, Colston, and Meachum make the best trio in the league. I hope they open up things for Bush, and Bush opens up things for them.

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I'm more excited about watching Arrington than Meachem come Training Camp! I got a bad feeling that over the next couple of years meachem will go down as a jonathan sullivan type of player--bust. Just my thoughts.

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i think that meachem will step up and be a threat this year in the slot and split time with patton as the 2nd wideout....i think arrington will make the team and take either lance moore or terrance coppers spot...i just dont think he will step in and be the play maker we are looking for...i do think he was a steal tho

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Well, for every one player that you can teach these things to, there are 100s of other that will never make the entire adjustment to the pros no matter how much coaching you give them. Just because the coach trys to teach somebody something, doesn't mean that the player will be able to do it consistantly and sucessfully. I'm not saying that you can't get better, it's just that the really great ones, do this stuff naturally and effortlessly. That's why Costson made the adjustment quickly and Devery never will.

But don't get me wrong, success is usually desguised as hard work.

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well I'm a firm believer in the idea that if you want something bad enough, you'll get it done. if a player wants to be faster, he can get faster. through various methods. just an example.

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theres no denying that working on something can help but the 4.3-40s cant be taught...somebody that fast is talented and it doesnt come from the constantly working at it....arrington doesnt have that kinda speed and he doesnt have the speed to separate like devery henderson...i think that arrington will take a spot on the roster....just not a starting spot

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TJ whos your momma increased his 40 time by like...a full second lol.

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from 4.7 to 4.6?.....is that what he did....and how come ur so big on the bengals man?....if u shave off some poundage u can get a little faster dude...im not sayin its impossible...im just sayin real speed like devin hester and reggie cant be taught