Whats wrong with Brown?

thesaintsfan · 05-03-2008, 04:29 PM

Dear gandhi,

You act like you're the only one who watches the games. An opinion based on actually being at the games is still just an opinion. I've watched almost every game J.Brown has played and in my opinion he's an above average starter in this league.

I thought your argument for wanting Strief to start over Brown at LT was laughable. "Strief anchored his college offensive line for 3 years", why does that make him better than Brown. What about what Brown did in college? He was a freaking All American! Since when does being a 3 year starter in college make you better than a proven starter in the NFL. Not only a proven starter but a guy that went to the Pro Bowl. And I don't want to hear the BS about how he only made the Pro Bowl because the Saints had a good season. Why would somebody say that about one of our players? Brown was a beast two years ago and he'll be a beast again this year if he stays healthy. And of course he would be a better RT than LT, who wouldn't? Walter Jones would be unreal at RT!

If you watch so many games then you should know that a RT has fewer responsibilities and more help. You should know that defenses usually line their best pass rushing DE at RE to rush the blind side. A LT has to square off with the other teams best edge rushers every week. Brown starts at LT because we NEED him there. I'm sure the coaches would love to put Brown at RT and let him maul in the running game. If Strief was a better LT than Brown then he would be our starting LT, but he's not and I don't even think it's close.

gandhi1007 · 05-03-2008, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by thesaintsfan

Dear gandhi,

You act like you're the only one who watches the games. An opinion based on actually being at the games is still just an opinion. I've watched almost every game J.Brown has played and in my opinion he's an above average starter in this league.

I thought your argument for wanting Strief to start over Brown at LT was laughable. "Strief anchored his college offensive line for 3 years", why does that make him better than Brown. What about what Brown did in college? He was a freaking All American! Since when does being a 3 year starter in college make you better than a proven starter in the NFL. Not only a proven starter but a guy that went to the Pro Bowl. And I don't want to hear the BS about how he only made the Pro Bowl because the Saints had a good season. Why would somebody say that about one of our players? Brown was a beast two years ago and he'll be a beast again this year if he stays healthy. And of course he would be a better RT than LT, who wouldn't? Walter Jones would be unreal at RT!

If you watch so many games then you should know that a RT has fewer responsibilities and more help. You should know that defenses usually line their best pass rushing DE at RE to rush the blind side. A LT has to square off with the other teams best edge rushers every week. Brown starts at LT because we NEED him there. I'm sure the coaches would love to put Brown at RT and let him maul in the running game. If Strief was a better LT than Brown then he would be our starting LT, but he's not and I don't even think it's close.

Above average LT, I could agree with. Premiere or elite....HELL NO!!!

Now...1st off, as I said earlier, LT is tougher than RT. Scroll back man. You'll see that I've already established that fact. As for watching the games....did you watch DeMarcus Ware treat Brown like his personal biyatch consistently? Or how about Julius Peppers? Did you see him blow by Brown consistently? I sure did. I also saw a supposed Pro Bowler consistently average more penalties than anyone else on our line for years now (including Evans in his rookie season). How many times have I heard "False Start #70" or "Holding #70" on the loudspeaker in the dome? Brown was an All American. Great! Strief was a 1st team All American & 3-time 1st team All Big TEN OT. I believe that trumps Brown's college career, but that wasn't my point. My point was that everyone is deemed unproven until they actually start for a season.

Now... add all of this to the fact that I saw Strief man-handle two top flight DE's while manning the LT position in Brown's absence, one of which was Julius Peppers (the same guy who consistently beat Brown). Do you know how many sacks Peppers had? 0. How about tackles behind the line? 0. This is just one example. I hate to say this....but if you don't think it's close, we're not watching the same games. I'll also say this....if you really think he deserved that Pro Bowl invite when no one else on that line went, you're out of your mind! Like I said before....he rode the coattails of a winning season into that Pro Bowl.

By the way....a RT does not have any less reponsibilty or more help. He still has a job to do as well. It just so happens that the better DE's are usually lining up against the LT to attack from the blind side.

CantonLegend · 05-03-2008, 07:11 PM

Ware and peppers consistently make everybody look bad....not just brown...and he looked no worse than the rest of the NFC against those 2....no doubt Brown would make a great RT....and i would love for him to be there because that would mean we have a pure beast at LT...strief isnt that guy lol....i actually went back and looked at some films of him from last year...and the only thing i saw was brown making the blocks...keeping his head on a swivel....choppin his feet....and kicking the horse @#%$ outta the ends he went against....maybe i missed something

hagan714 · 05-03-2008, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

Ware and peppers consistently make everybody look bad....

There you just found the standard for the LT position. now can Bushrod be that man? we will find out this year. same goes for Andy. Those two will be on the field. So the test for 2009 starts now

CantonLegend · 05-03-2008, 07:47 PM

i feel dumb for pointing this out....doesnt demarcus ware play for dallas?....im just curious when we played dallas last year?...if u have ne idea let me know..i'd like to find film on it and watch brown get owned....just food for thought...as far as bushrod and alleman go....i was born in akron and most of my friends are goin to akron U so i gotta say im rootin for andy alleman and i'd love to see him make it as a starter for the saints...i hope bushrod comes thru but i think its unlikely that he'll be the guy we need

gandhi1007 · 05-03-2008, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

i feel dumb for pointing this out....doesnt demarcus ware play for dallas?....im just curious when we played dallas last year?...if u have ne idea let me know..i'd like to find film on it and watch brown get owned....just food for thought...as far as bushrod and alleman go....i was born in akron and most of my friends are goin to akron U so i gotta say im rootin for andy alleman and i'd love to see him make it as a starter for the saints...i hope bushrod comes thru but i think its unlikely that he'll be the guy we need

2006...Go to youtube & look up the Demarcus Ware highlights videos. On one of the videos, there are two plays in particular where Jamaal Brown is the highlight biyatch. One of them, Ware throws Brown on his a** on route to a QB sack (very ugly) & the other one is of Ware blowing by Brown without even getting touched (& it wasn't an offsides either). I was at both those games & believe me....those weren't the only plays in those games that Ware made Brown look pitiful. One was a pre-season game in Shreveport & the other was when we blew Dallas out in Irving. I know Ware is an elite DE (& he really is elite)...no doubt, but Brown still played horribly. I think Brown is very coachable has great finesse, I just don't think he has the physical abilities that Strief has. That's not just about size. Everyone knows Strief is huge, but he is sound in technique as well. Time will tell, but I think Brown only has a year or two left in a Saints uniform. I think we will see come contract time.

thesaintsfan · 05-03-2008, 08:56 PM

Gandhi you are being blinded by your Strief man crush. I've seen some bad cases of man crushes in my time but this might be the worst ever. If it's not the worst it's certainly the most misguided. Of all the players you could crush on why Big Strief? Did you go to Northwestern or something? Is he your brother? Are you Gandhi Strief?

Seriously though gandhi I see that you're really passionate about Strief and I hope he ends up being as good as your hype. I've seen the guy play and I know he has talent, I just don't think he's as good as Brown. You said that Strief "man-handled" Peppers, I guess I missed that man-handling. I don't think anybody could "man-handle" Peppers.

Check it, if Strief is better than Brown then why isn't he the starter? Are the coaches just not giving him his proper respek?

thesaintsfan · 05-03-2008, 09:01 PM

Dude that is so unfair to throw Demarcus Ware into this discussion. That's like a low blow or something. He doesn't even count.

gandhi1007 · 05-03-2008, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by thesaintsfan

Gandhi you are being blinded by your Strief man crush. I've seen some bad cases of man crushes in my time but this might be the worst ever. If it's not the worst it's certainly the most misguided. Of all the players you could crush on why Big Strief? Did you go to Northwestern or something? Is he your brother? Are you Gandhi Strief?

Seriously though gandhi I see that you're really passionate about Strief and I hope he ends up being as good as your hype. I've seen the guy play and I know he has talent, I just don't think he's as good as Brown. You said that Strief "man-handled" Peppers, I guess I missed that man-handling. I don't think anybody could "man-handle" Peppers.

Check it, if Strief is better than Brown then why isn't he the starter? Are the coaches just not giving him his proper respek?

Again 2006...yes...man-handled. I couldn't believe it either. This was the game that made me like Strief. Then again...it could be the Tampa game that year at Tampa when strief abused Simeon Rice.

To answer your question about Strief not being the starter.... Why did Jason David start instead of Usama Young? Why was Bullocks starting ahead of KK? Why was Stecker starting over Pierre Thomas? These are all valid questions that I just cannot answer.

05-03-2008, 04:29 PM	#1
thesaintsfan The Real Deal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 174	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Dear gandhi, You act like you're the only one who watches the games. An opinion based on actually being at the games is still just an opinion. I've watched almost every game J.Brown has played and in my opinion he's an above average starter in this league. I thought your argument for wanting Strief to start over Brown at LT was laughable. "Strief anchored his college offensive line for 3 years", why does that make him better than Brown. What about what Brown did in college? He was a freaking All American! Since when does being a 3 year starter in college make you better than a proven starter in the NFL. Not only a proven starter but a guy that went to the Pro Bowl. And I don't want to hear the BS about how he only made the Pro Bowl because the Saints had a good season. Why would somebody say that about one of our players? Brown was a beast two years ago and he'll be a beast again this year if he stays healthy. And of course he would be a better RT than LT, who wouldn't? Walter Jones would be unreal at RT! If you watch so many games then you should know that a RT has fewer responsibilities and more help. You should know that defenses usually line their best pass rushing DE at RE to rush the blind side. A LT has to square off with the other teams best edge rushers every week. Brown starts at LT because we NEED him there. I'm sure the coaches would love to put Brown at RT and let him maul in the running game. If Strief was a better LT than Brown then he would be our starting LT, but he's not and I don't even think it's close.
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05-03-2008, 06:30 PM	#2
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Originally Posted by thesaintsfan Dear gandhi, You act like you're the only one who watches the games. An opinion based on actually being at the games is still just an opinion. I've watched almost every game J.Brown has played and in my opinion he's an above average starter in this league. I thought your argument for wanting Strief to start over Brown at LT was laughable. "Strief anchored his college offensive line for 3 years", why does that make him better than Brown. What about what Brown did in college? He was a freaking All American! Since when does being a 3 year starter in college make you better than a proven starter in the NFL. Not only a proven starter but a guy that went to the Pro Bowl. And I don't want to hear the BS about how he only made the Pro Bowl because the Saints had a good season. Why would somebody say that about one of our players? Brown was a beast two years ago and he'll be a beast again this year if he stays healthy. And of course he would be a better RT than LT, who wouldn't? Walter Jones would be unreal at RT! If you watch so many games then you should know that a RT has fewer responsibilities and more help. You should know that defenses usually line their best pass rushing DE at RE to rush the blind side. A LT has to square off with the other teams best edge rushers every week. Brown starts at LT because we NEED him there. I'm sure the coaches would love to put Brown at RT and let him maul in the running game. If Strief was a better LT than Brown then he would be our starting LT, but he's not and I don't even think it's close. Above average LT, I could agree with. Premiere or elite....HELL NO!!! Now...1st off, as I said earlier, LT is tougher than RT. Scroll back man. You'll see that I've already established that fact. As for watching the games....did you watch DeMarcus Ware treat Brown like his personal biyatch consistently? Or how about Julius Peppers? Did you see him blow by Brown consistently? I sure did. I also saw a supposed Pro Bowler consistently average more penalties than anyone else on our line for years now (including Evans in his rookie season). How many times have I heard "False Start #70" or "Holding #70" on the loudspeaker in the dome? Brown was an All American. Great! Strief was a 1st team All American & 3-time 1st team All Big TEN OT. I believe that trumps Brown's college career, but that wasn't my point. My point was that everyone is deemed unproven until they actually start for a season. Now... add all of this to the fact that I saw Strief man-handle two top flight DE's while manning the LT position in Brown's absence, one of which was Julius Peppers (the same guy who consistently beat Brown). Do you know how many sacks Peppers had? 0. How about tackles behind the line? 0. This is just one example. I hate to say this....but if you don't think it's close, we're not watching the same games. I'll also say this....if you really think he deserved that Pro Bowl invite when no one else on that line went, you're out of your mind! Like I said before....he rode the coattails of a winning season into that Pro Bowl. By the way....a RT does not have any less reponsibilty or more help. He still has a job to do as well. It just so happens that the better DE's are usually lining up against the LT to attack from the blind side.
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05-03-2008, 07:11 PM	#3
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Ware and peppers consistently make everybody look bad....not just brown...and he looked no worse than the rest of the NFC against those 2....no doubt Brown would make a great RT....and i would love for him to be there because that would mean we have a pure beast at LT...strief isnt that guy lol....i actually went back and looked at some films of him from last year...and the only thing i saw was brown making the blocks...keeping his head on a swivel....choppin his feet....and kicking the horse @#%$ outta the ends he went against....maybe i missed something
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05-03-2008, 07:39 PM	#4
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Originally Posted by CantonLegend Ware and peppers consistently make everybody look bad.... There you just found the standard for the LT position. now can Bushrod be that man? we will find out this year. same goes for Andy. Those two will be on the field. So the test for 2009 starts now

05-03-2008, 07:47 PM	#5
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? i feel dumb for pointing this out....doesnt demarcus ware play for dallas?....im just curious when we played dallas last year?...if u have ne idea let me know..i'd like to find film on it and watch brown get owned....just food for thought...as far as bushrod and alleman go....i was born in akron and most of my friends are goin to akron U so i gotta say im rootin for andy alleman and i'd love to see him make it as a starter for the saints...i hope bushrod comes thru but i think its unlikely that he'll be the guy we need
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05-03-2008, 08:53 PM	#6
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Originally Posted by CantonLegend i feel dumb for pointing this out....doesnt demarcus ware play for dallas?....im just curious when we played dallas last year?...if u have ne idea let me know..i'd like to find film on it and watch brown get owned....just food for thought...as far as bushrod and alleman go....i was born in akron and most of my friends are goin to akron U so i gotta say im rootin for andy alleman and i'd love to see him make it as a starter for the saints...i hope bushrod comes thru but i think its unlikely that he'll be the guy we need 2006...Go to youtube & look up the Demarcus Ware highlights videos. On one of the videos, there are two plays in particular where Jamaal Brown is the highlight biyatch. One of them, Ware throws Brown on his a** on route to a QB sack (very ugly) & the other one is of Ware blowing by Brown without even getting touched (& it wasn't an offsides either). I was at both those games & believe me....those weren't the only plays in those games that Ware made Brown look pitiful. One was a pre-season game in Shreveport & the other was when we blew Dallas out in Irving. I know Ware is an elite DE (& he really is elite)...no doubt, but Brown still played horribly. I think Brown is very coachable has great finesse, I just don't think he has the physical abilities that Strief has. That's not just about size. Everyone knows Strief is huge, but he is sound in technique as well. Time will tell, but I think Brown only has a year or two left in a Saints uniform. I think we will see come contract time.
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05-03-2008, 08:56 PM	#7
thesaintsfan The Real Deal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 174	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Gandhi you are being blinded by your Strief man crush. I've seen some bad cases of man crushes in my time but this might be the worst ever. If it's not the worst it's certainly the most misguided. Of all the players you could crush on why Big Strief? Did you go to Northwestern or something? Is he your brother? Are you Gandhi Strief? Seriously though gandhi I see that you're really passionate about Strief and I hope he ends up being as good as your hype. I've seen the guy play and I know he has talent, I just don't think he's as good as Brown. You said that Strief "man-handled" Peppers, I guess I missed that man-handling. I don't think anybody could "man-handle" Peppers. Check it, if Strief is better than Brown then why isn't he the starter? Are the coaches just not giving him his proper respek?
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05-03-2008, 09:01 PM	#8
thesaintsfan The Real Deal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 174	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Dude that is so unfair to throw Demarcus Ware into this discussion. That's like a low blow or something. He doesn't even count.

05-03-2008, 09:26 PM	#9
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Originally Posted by thesaintsfan Gandhi you are being blinded by your Strief man crush. I've seen some bad cases of man crushes in my time but this might be the worst ever. If it's not the worst it's certainly the most misguided. Of all the players you could crush on why Big Strief? Did you go to Northwestern or something? Is he your brother? Are you Gandhi Strief? Seriously though gandhi I see that you're really passionate about Strief and I hope he ends up being as good as your hype. I've seen the guy play and I know he has talent, I just don't think he's as good as Brown. You said that Strief "man-handled" Peppers, I guess I missed that man-handling. I don't think anybody could "man-handle" Peppers. Check it, if Strief is better than Brown then why isn't he the starter? Are the coaches just not giving him his proper respek? Again 2006...yes...man-handled. I couldn't believe it either. This was the game that made me like Strief. Then again...it could be the Tampa game that year at Tampa when strief abused Simeon Rice. To answer your question about Strief not being the starter.... Why did Jason David start instead of Usama Young? Why was Bullocks starting ahead of KK? Why was Stecker starting over Pierre Thomas? These are all valid questions that I just cannot answer.

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