86-man Minicamp Depth Chart
 

Here is your 2008 Saints 86-Man Mini Depth Chart and
53 man player roster.

Feel Free to Take Your Best Shot!

1. 9 Brees, Drew QB 6-0 209 29 8 Purdue
2. 11 Brunell, Mark QB 6-1 217 37 16 Washington
3. 3 Palko, Tyler QB 6-1 215 24 1 Pittsburgh
4. 6 Ostrander, T.C. QB 6-3 215 23 R Stanford

1. 26 McAllister, Deuce RB 6-1 232 29 8 Mississippi
2. 25 Bush, Reggie RB 6-0 203 23 3 Southern California
3. 23 Thomas, Pierre RB 5-11 215 23 2 Illinois
4. 27 Stecker, Aaron RB 5-10 213 32 9 Western Illinois
5. 30 Hamilton, Lynell RB 6-0 235 22 R San Diego State
6. 24 Barclay, Chris RB 5-10 180 24 2 Wake Forest

1. 44 Karney, Mike FB 5-11 255 26 5 Arizona State
2. 40 Dudley, Kevin FB 6-0 238 26 1 Michigan
3. 33 Sobomehin, Olaniyi FB 6-1 230 23 R Portland State

1. 70 Brown, Jammal T 6-6 313 27 4 Oklahoma
2. 78 Stinchcomb, Jon T 6-5 315 28 6 Georgia
3. 73 Evans, Jahri G 6-4 318 24 3 Bloomsburg
4. 67 Nesbit, Jamar G 6-4 328 31 10 South Carolina
5. 76 Goodwin, Jonathan C/G 6-3 318 29 7 Michigan
6. 64 Strief, Zach T 6-7 320 24 3 Northwestern
7. 65 Alleman, Andy G 6-4 310 24 2 Akron
8. 74 Bushrod, Jermon T 6-5 315 23 2 Towson
9. 77 Nicks, Carl T/G 6-5 343 25 R Nebraska
10. 68 Lehr, Mat C/G 6-2 290 29 8 Virginia Tech
11. 62 Millington, Akim T 6-6 313 23 R Illinois
12. 61 Tuminello, Kevin C 6-4 285 23 R Georgia Tech
13. 63 McManus, Nate G 6-3 300 22 R Georgia Tech
14. 79 Boone, Jason T 6-4 300 24 R Utah
15. 75 Duckworth, Tim G 6-4 318 25 1 Auburn

1. 82 Johnson, Eric TE 6-3 252 28 8 Yale
2. 83 Miller, Billy TE 6-3 252 31 9 Southern California
3. 80 Campbell, Mark TE 6-6 260 32 10 Michigan
4. 85 Ghent, Ronnie TE 6-2 253 28 2 Louisville
5. 86 Ortega, Buck TE 6-4 250 26 1 Miami (Fla.)

1. 12 Colston, Marques WR 6-4 225 24 3 Hofstra
2. 81 Patten, David WR 5-10 190 33 12 Western Carolina
3. 17 Meachem, Robert WR 6-2 210 23 2 Tennessee
4. 19 Henderson, Devery WR 5-11 200 26 5 Louisiana State
5. 16 Moore, Lance WR 5-9 190 24 3 Toledo
6. 87 Arrington, Adrian WR 6-3 192 22 R Michigan
7. 18 Copper, Terrance WR 6-0 207 26 5 East Carolina
8. 14 Blythe, Todd WR 6-5 214 23 R Iowa State
9. 10 Green, Skyler WR 5-9 190 23 3 Louisiana State
10. 15 Moore, Evan WR 6-7 236 23 R Stanford
11. 84 Ryan, Titus WR 6-0 193 23 1 Concordia (Ala.)

1. 90 Ellis, Sedrick DT 6-1 307 22 R Southern California
2. 66 Young, Brian DT 6-2 298 30 9 UTEP
3. 99 Thomas, Hollis DT 6-0 335 34 13 Northern Illinois
4. 72 Pressley, DeMario DT 6-3 301 22 R North Carolina State
5. 71 Clancy, Kendrick DT 6-1 305 29 9 Mississippi
6. 96 Lake, Antwan DT 6-4 308 28 6 West Virginia
7. 92 Harris, Orien DT 6-3 300 24 1 Miami (Fla.)

1. 91 Smith, Will DE 6-3 282 26 5 Ohio State
2. 94 Grant, Charles DE 6-3 285 29 7 Georgia
3. 93 McCray, Bobby DE 6-6 260 26 5 Florida
4. 97 Geathers, Jeremy DE 6-2 245 21 R UNLV
5. 95 Savage, Josh DE 6-4 276 27 3 Utah

1. 51 Vilma, Jonathan LB 6-1 230 26 5 Miami (Fla.)
2. 52 Morgan, Dan LB 6-2 245 29 8 Miami (Fla.)
3. 55 Fujita, Scott LB 6-5 250 29 7 California
4. 58 Shanle, Scott LB 6-2 245 28 6 Nebraska
5. 53 Simoneau, Mark LB 6-0 245 31 9 Kansas State
6. 54 Evans, Troy LB 6-3 238 30 7 Cincinnati
7. 50 Mitchell, Marvin LB 6-3 249 23 2 Tennessee
8. 59 Sanders, Luke LB 6-5 242 23 R Louisiana State
9. 56 Dunbar, JoLonn LB 6-0 226 23 R Boston College

1. 41 Harper, Roman S 6-1 200 25 3 Alabama
2. 43 Kaesviharn, Kevin S 6-1 200 31 8 Augustana (S.D.)
3. 29 Bullocks, Josh S 6-1 207 25 4 Nebraska
4. 39 Reis, Chris S 6-1 215 24 2 Georgia Tech
5. 37 Roach, David S 6-2 215 22 R Texas Christian
6. 38 Schwartz, Rocky S 5-10 200 23 R Houston


1. 34 McKenzie, Mike CB 6-0 194 32 10 Memphis
2. 20 Gay, Randall CB 5-11 190 26 5 Louisiana State
3. 22 Porter, Tracy CB 5-11 186 21 R Indiana
4. 28 Young, Usama CB 6-0 200 23 2 Kent State
5. 42 David, Jason CB 5-8 180 25 5 Washington State
6. 21 Craft, Jason CB 5-10 187 32 10 Colorado State
7. 31 Glenn, Aaron CB 5-9 183 35 15 Texas A&M
8. 36 Phillips, Anwar CB 6-0 187 25 1 Penn State
9. 32 Fassitt, Greg CB 5-11 186 23 1 Grambling State

1. 5 Mehlhaff, Taylor K 5-10 184 22 R Wisconsin
2. 1 Gramatica, MartÃ*n K 5-8 170 32 9 Kansas State

1. 7 Weatherford, Steve P 6-3 215 25 3 Illinois
2. 4 Prather, Waylon P 6-3 225 23 R San Jose State

1. 47 Houser, Kevin LS 6-2 252 30 9 Ohio State
2. 49 Senser, Ryan LS 6-3 227 23 R Ohio

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ah only a few changes i would make but i like what u got...i doubt we keep so many tackles and i think matt lehr will take over for either center this season or for jamar nesbit....i think that andy may take over at guard if lehr goes at center...goodwin will step in for C if lehr cant do it....i like ur CBs but i think that Usama young and porter should be flip-flopped and i think aaron glenn should be up higher....i like the PK choice...what about KR and PR?

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I wasn't aware how thin we are at defensive end.

Also, I'd love to see Chris Barclay take Stecker's spot at running back. Barclay returned a kick for a touchdown last season and is also a good little running back. Change of pace guy with very good quickness.

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ah thatd make me cry....stecker is a captain and a true saint....hes one of my favorite players and if i ever find a stecker jersey in ohio im buyin it...i think the depth at DE is overlooked because unless smith and grant are hurt...which really only affected us last year....we dont have to worry about it....now however we may need to get another DE because ive been hearing a lot about moving grant to DT on passing downs

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1. 70 Brown, Jammal T 6-6 313 27 4 Oklahoma
8. 74 Bushrod, Jermon T 6-5 315 23 2 Towson

4. 67 Nesbit, Jamar G 6-4 328 31 10 South Carolina
7. 65 Alleman, Andy G 6-4 310 24 2 Akron

5. 76 Goodwin, Jonathan C/G 6-3 318 29 7 Michigan
10. 68 Lehr, Mat C/G 6-2 290 29 8 Virginia Tech

3. 73 Evans, Jahri G 6-4 318 24 3 Bloomsburg
9. 77 Nicks, Carl T/G 6-5 343 25 R Nebraska

2. 78 Stinchcomb, Jon T 6-5 315 28 6 Georgia
6. 64 Strief, Zach T 6-7 320 24 3 Northwestern


camp blocking dummies
11. 62 Millington, Akim T 6-6 313 23 R Illinois
13. 63 McManus, Nate G 6-3 300 22 R Georgia Tech
12. 61 Tuminello, Kevin C 6-4 285 23 R Georgia Tech
15. 75 Duckworth, Tim G 6-4 318 25 1 Auburn
14. 79 Boone, Jason T 6-4 300 24 R Utah

The OL looks deeper and better than last years group. I really like the way the saints are doing this.

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Anybody still thinking about moving Charles Grant inside?

Saints to look at the June 1st cut downs and the last training camp cuts to pick up a decent backup DE. Seems the final roster cut down is never the final roster.

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We are going to keep 7 DBs and only 5 LBs? Please explain.

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at some points u need 4 or 5 DBs out on the field at one time....at most you have 4 LBs and we dont run the 4-4 very often...i dont think we will at all this season with our new talent.....our DBs are more of a question mark than our LBs(arguably)....we think we have solidified our LB core....Our CBs are a question mark once again

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Half of those LBs are coming off injuries, so I would argue with the bigger question mark. and while yes we would need at the most 4 CBs at a time we also use four LBs in the 3-4 which is used for blitz packages and things of that nature. I have to say that it seems like I am the ONLY person worried about what might happen to Vilma and Morgan. If they both become injured again we are down to 3 LBs and then have to run over to the practice squad to pick up a developmental player who didn't get snatched up by another team. I hope you guys are right though.

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we just dont run the 3-4...thats the thing...our LBs are coming off injuries which is the only reason i said (arguably)....vilma and morgan coming in healthy with scott fujita....it wouldnt even be a question....Randal Gay was a solid #2 corner but i think it'll turn out like jason david last year....we need depth at corner because with mike hurt we still dont have a #1 corner...which LB do u think we should keep if we do keep another

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What I am talking about is a 6 LB 6 CB split. Glenn or Craft are goners(and honestly do you get excited about either one?) and Mitchell would be the guy I would like to see more of. I still only see 2 studs in that LB group and no superstar, although I would argue Fujita and Vilma can be superstars in our new defense.

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WLB
4. 58 Shanle, Scott LB 6-2 245 28 6 Nebraska
6. 54 Evans, Troy LB 6-3 238 30 7 Cincinnati

MLB
1. 51 Vilma, Jonathan LB 6-1 230 26 5 Miami (Fla.)
2. 52 Morgan, Dan LB 6-2 245 29 8 Miami (Fla.)
7. 50 Mitchell, Marvin LB 6-3 249 23 2 Tennessee

SLB
3. 55 Fujita, Scott LB 6-5 250 29 7 California
5. 53 Simoneau, Mark LB 6-0 245 31 9 Kansas State


Just looking at the line up I see the only battles this year at
SLB back up

5. 53 Simoneau, Mark LB 6-0 245 31 9 Kansas State
Vs.
8. 59 Sanders, Luke LB 6-5 242 23 R Louisiana State

MLB backup
7. 50 Mitchell, Marvin LB 6-3 249 23 2 Tennessee
Vs.
9. 56 Dunbar, JoLonn LB 6-0 226 23 R Boston College


At CB
#1
5. 42 David, Jason CB 5-8 180 25 5 Washington State

#2
2. 20 Gay, Randall CB 5-11 190 26 5 Louisiana State
1. 34 McKenzie, Mike CB 6-0 194 32 10 Memphis (PUP)

#3
21 Craft, Jason CB 5-10 187 32 10 Colorado State

#4
4. 28 Young, Usama CB 6-0 200 23 2 Kent State

3. 22 Porter, Tracy CB 5-11 186 21 R Indiana


7. 31 Glenn, Aaron CB 5-9 183 35 15 Texas A&M
My money goes with the Vet. saints are creatures of habit.

PS
8. 36 Phillips, Anwar CB 6-0 187 25 1 Penn State
9. 32 Fassitt, Greg CB 5-11 186 23 1 Grambling State


Now you have the battle for the last roster spot. M&M will probably start the season on the PUP list. You have to love the big change in age.

In 2009 M&M, Craft and David will be in danger.

#1
3. 22 Porter, Tracy CB 5-11 186 21 R Indiana
#2
2. 20 Gay, Randall CB 5-11 190 26 5 Louisiana State
#3
28 Young, Usama CB 6-0 200 23 2 Kent State
#4
1. 34 McKenzie, Mike CB 6-0 194 32 10 Memphis (PUP)
5. 42 David, Jason CB 5-8 180 25 5 Washington State
21 Craft, Jason CB 5-10 187 32 10 Colorado State

Another top 3 pick at CB/S in the draft will be needed. Vet in FA that can do both?

It will take another year of FA and drafts to finish this off. Well Almost. But I see the saints adding an extra LB to the roster till Vilma is set.

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hagan whats with the misinformation, MM will be ready to start in 08 :\

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Nicely done Hagan. Your lineup looks pretty likely to me. There is still time to add a few players (especially when the first cuts come). I still hope we can get another Safety and maybe another DE and/or LB to push some of our more marginal players.

There's no way we're going to keep 7 CBs and/or 6 LBs.

I'd guess also there is no way that Kendrick Clancy won't make the team. There is just too much need for a rotation on the DL, unlike in the CBs. Unless one of the 7 CBs is going to return kicks, one more of them (from the list Hagan gave) will be gone - I'd guess one of Craft, Young or Porter at this point.

Unless Morgan gets hurt in preseason or training camp, I think Hagan's got those right. Also, I don't see Simoneau starting at SLB (at least not in the base package); he just isn't good enough against the run to be expected to taken on the TE too.

Also, I actually think we look pretty weak at C. We ran a lot in the middle last year, and I'm not sure we'll get what we want with a new C (whether Nesbit, Goodwin, or Lehr). That, IMO is the weak link on Offense right now. Defense is another story...

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Really? I have to see it to believe it. The injury happened way to late in the season. History is against a come back that quick. Besides I left a window of optimism there.

M&M will probably start the season on the PUP list.

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ur out of ur mind if u think they'll cut porter or usama rofl

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i agree...i think that usama fits our system too well to cut him and i doubt they will cut our 2nd overall draft pick....i dont think that mike will start the beginning of the season tho....his injury is tough to come back from...i say mid-season he is back to starting

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I don't think you will see Simoneau in a Saints jersey this year. Age and quickness issues for a Weak Outside Backer. Look for Sanders and Dunbar to compete for that spot. Vilma in the middle (Morgan back-up) and Fujita on the Strong side (Shanle back-up unless Mitchell out of Tenn. can bump him).

Just my opinion

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Do you remember a guy named Peterson last year drafted 2nd round that a rookie free agent beat out of a spot on the roster. Do not think for one second that Peyton will not cut a second or even first rounder if he does not perform.

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what are you even talking about?

also simoneua isn't getting cut rofl

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Sorry...4th round and it was Pittman. PT beat him out of his job and he was supose to be a steal coming out of Ohio State and just winning the National Championship. No matter..I still say Peyton will put the best player on the field.

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agree we will get the best players on the field. Young and Porter will not be cut. Talent alone gives them a spot.

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I'll have at it
No problem there.

Except for Deuce's recovery a proven RB group.

The Hammer is firmly entrenched.

Nine linemen?! I just don't think the Saints can afford to carry 3 draft picks in Allenman, Bushrod, and Nicks that fundamentally won't hit the field. There's going to have to be a shakeup here where one of the vets or one of the young guys are going to get shuffled.

Payton values versatility. Out of the group of 9 above, who lacks versatility?

8 Linemen max. Someone is going to be out of a job.

Ghent has made himself invaluable on ST. I think he's going to stick.

How's Campbell's back? If dude cannot play, then we won't be sticking around.

Copper is a ST stud on the team. He sticks. My order would be:

Colston, Meachem, Patton, Henderson, Copper, Arrington.

Unfortunately I think Lance Moore is going to be out of a job.

This group is going to be rough on the vets. But it had to be done.

Is Pressley healthy right now?

Big Hollis better come to camp in shape. If Clancy or Lake come ready to play and Big Hollis is huffin and puffin, he may be out of a job this year.

Too thin. There's no way Geathers makes the squad at that weight.

We may need to get another DE before it's all over.

Who plays ST on your 53 man roster? 5 LBs?! Won't happen. Both Evans and Mitchell make the 53 man squad. And someone's job is going to be in jeopardy if Dunbar is as good as some have projected.

Sounds about right.

The Saints won't carry all those CBs. Either Craft or Glenn are going to be out eventually. McKenzie may end up on the PUP list for 6 weeks if his knee doesn't come around by the start of the season. That'll be a reprieve for one of the two of them. It's possible that one is cut early and the other when McKenzie comes back.

Mehlhaff is going to have to prove that he can be consistent at 50+ yards before he gets the job. Good kickoffs. Money inside of 45. But Kickers in the NFL make their money between 50 and 55 yards. Mehlhaff is going to have to show that ability.

Interesting list. We're going to have to get rid of some OL and CBs before it's all over.

SFIAH

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Ya'll may be right that Porter is untouchable due to his being picked in the 2nd round this year. I'll consider that a good argument for now.

There is just too much unproven love for Young. I think he may be on the bubble. I don't have a lot of love for Glenn, but at least he's proven he can start in the NFL. If I guess, I'd say that it is Craft who is out of a job.

I can't help but agree with SFIAH about the number of OL. Also, I think we need to consider C a weakness for now.

I don't think it is unreasonable to have 5 LBs on the squad. WR, S, CB, OL, and DE also get plenty of time on special teams. Maybe you're right that we'll keep at least one more (especially with the health risks Morgan brings). I'm swayed by the idea that they may staff the ST, but this isn't obvious to me yet.

Arrington may be good, but it looks to me like he may have a tough time making the squad, unless he can show that either he's our 4th WR or he is great on ST.

I still think we pick up at least one OL, one DT, and possibly a RB from other team's casts offs at the roster cut down date.

Does anyone think we run with just two QBs to free up a spot for the extra LB, OL, or CB? That seems like a possibility to me.

Also, does it seem wrong to bring in more possible FBs? It isn't like they're going to make the team...

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SFIAH, yea I agree with your assement, but I made the picks. Where's your picks. I think we keep 9 OL because there part of the best 53. Look for a player to be traded with a draft pick for Shockey. As for LB, I think we may keep another because they can play ST. The reason I kept so many CBs is because MM will not be able to start and because 4 can be on the field at the same time. Also I consider that Aaron Glen can play FS too.

Remember, this isn't the idea 53, it's just the best 53. That could easily change. Don't count out my dark horse this year, DT Orien Harris.

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Agree with StFaninATLHell. Copper is too valuable He is still young, and will be coming into his own as a receiver. I think Arrington will prove to be more valuable than Lance Moore. I will miss Moore. He is a personal favorite.

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Usama can't be "on the bubble" after a successful rookie season.

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I agreed with most of yours. My picks were in my arguments.

QB: Keep 3. May end up having to PS Palko again.
RB: Keep all 4
FB: Karney
OL: Only 8. We won't be able to PS any of the young guys. I don't think we can afford to keep 9. So one has to go. I don't pretend to know who it is.

As I said in my assessment, Payton values versitility. An OL who is a T/G or G/C or RT/LT will be more valuable than one who plays only one position.

Depending on how the young guys do, Nesbit may be in danger.

Still wishful thinking I believe.

Agreed. Also there's still the injury issue. I have a problem dumping one of the young guys for Morgan and then he's not available to play.

No problem with that argument, but you don't need 6. Either Craft or Glenn won't make the squad.
And that may tilt the balance towards Glenn. Versitility. Craft's probably out of a job.

The team needs the 53 that going to fit their needs for the year. I remember listening to a Payton's coach's show in 2006 where he stated that the 53 man squad consisted to player who each had a role to play. Even if a guy is one of the best 53, if they don't have a role, then it's likely they won't be on the final 53.

That's why I think guys like Moore and Craft will be let go and guys like Copper will make the squad. Moore's roles of punt returner and receiver have been supplanted by Porter and Arrington and Craft's backup/nickle role will be taken full time by Young and Porter. Copper is a special team's stud, so he'll be kept.

SFIAH

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25 tackles and 14 games played doesn't impress me too much.

If Young is so good, why do we keep trying to get more players at the position - Glenn, Porter, and Gay?

I'd rather see Craft go, but Young is hardly guaranteed a roster spot.

I really don't see us keep 11 DBs. I suppose, it does end up depending a bit on who is going to return kicks for us (and I have no really good guess at that).

Also, I don't think that Nesbit is going to be the odd man out. He's got too much experience, he's a starter, and he can play all the interior spots.

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SFIAH... Craft was one of the bright spots playing nickel the last 2 years. Moore has the best hands on the team and always finds a way to get open. He isn't much with the ball in his hands but he moves the chains. Cooper couldn't get on the field with Moore in front of him. Still, your point is well taken.

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At CB
#1
5. 42 David, Jason CB 5-8 180 25 5 Washington State

#2
2. 20 Gay, Randall CB 5-11 190 26 5 Louisiana State
1. 34 McKenzie, Mike CB 6-0 194 32 10 Memphis (PUP)

#3
21 Craft, Jason CB 5-10 187 32 10 Colorado State

#4
4. 28 Young, Usama CB 6-0 200 23 2 Kent State

3. 22 Porter, Tracy CB 5-11 186 21 R Indiana


7. 31 Glenn, Aaron CB 5-9 183 35 15 Texas A&M
My money goes with the Vet. saints are creatures of habit. Plus he is a CB/S

PS
8. 36 Phillips, Anwar CB 6-0 187 25 1 Penn State
9. 32 Fassitt, Greg CB 5-11 186 23 1 Grambling State

My point is in BOLD....Youth!

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It seems the exact opposite point could be made from the bold: proven players with experience.

Craft played much better in at NB than on the corner, I agree. However, when you have to make tough choices, I don't see being a good nickle is a very strong argument.

It will be interesting to see how camp shakes this out. Some of these guys may just be over the hill, as has been suggested, other players may find that physical gifts aren't enough to overcome experience.

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sorry but 2@32 and one at 35 is just a bit too much experience. Keep one maaaaybe 2 at the most. Go with youth. what can it hurt? We drop in pass defense rating? Well the bottom is not that far away. So hitting bottom wont hurt that much.
I think the addition of Gay makes this move to youth possible.

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Fair enough.

I'm just not sold on the idea that younger is better. Many of our best corners have been guys we've picked up in the second half of their career. I'm not in anyway opposed to getting proven players.

Don't get me wrong, I hope all of you are right and Young, Porter, et. al. are the greatest thing to happen to our secondary. I'm just skeptical as of now (I know, that is a rarity). Let's see what we think after (at least) mini-camp?

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I say drop Simenaou and Aaron glenn and add marvin mitchell and jolonn dunbar.

That would even out corner and lb, which would seem more accurate, great job on the rest though!

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Simenaou is a keeper. He can back up more than one position. Glenn I am up in the air about. let marvin mitchell and jolonn dunbar battle it out for the depth chart.

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4. 97 Geathers, Jeremy DE 6-2 245 21 R UNLV

I am fairly certain that his chance will not be at DE, but instead as a OLB used on passing downs as a pass rusher. He is way too small for a DE.

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That is an interesting idea. Does he have any experience at LB?

Certainly, he's not going to start. I also don't see us taking Fugita and/or Vilma off the field on passing downs, so I don't think he'd see much playing time.

How is he on special teams?

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I agree with you JKool.

Really what did Usama Young do last year that was sooooo amazing. I for one am not on the bandwagon. He has to prove to me on the field that he is a playmaker before I become a fan. I think too many people are high on him just because of where he was drafted. I saw the same thing with Josh Bullocks (who always sucked, not just last year) after his first couple years.

Also I agree that Jason Craft was our best CB last year other than McKenzie. Craft made a lot of plays on the ball. Was in good position more often than not. If he does that again he makes the team. I really don't see Aaron Glenn making this team. I lived in Houston and have season tickets to the lowly Texans (still a Saints fan first forever) and Glenn was absolutely horrible his last year with the team, which is why the Texans got rid of him.

Also every year there are a few late round/rookie free agent pickups that everyone is really high on before we even see them play. This year it looks like its Arrington and JoLonn. I am skeptical, just because there was a reason that they lasted that long. From what I have read Arrington is not that fast. I'm not saying I'm not optimistic; I just feel like we have little reason to be predicting that JoLonn Dunbar, an undersized undrafted free agent, will be making the team over Simoneau. While I am not the biggest Simoneau fan, I still do not think there is much of a chance that he is beaten out by an rookie free agent, that hasn't played a snap of professional football yet. We'll see how it plays out in training camp and preseason. GEAUX SAINTS!

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Here's my picks:

1. 9 Brees, Drew QB 6-0 209 29 8 Purdue
2. 3 Palko, Tyler QB 6-1 215 24 1 Pittsburgh

We've gone with just two QBs on the roster in the past. We have a lot of talent on this team and I can see Payton doing it again. I'm gonna go with the young lefty Payton has been grooming to upset old fogey Brunell. Lets not kid ourselves. If Brees goes down we're done anyways


3. 26 McAllister, Deuce RB 6-1 232 29 8 Mississippi
4. 25 Bush, Reggie RB 6-0 203 23 3 Southern California
5. 23 Thomas, Pierre RB 5-11 215 23 2 Illinois
6. 27 Stecker, Aaron RB 5-10 213 32 9 Western Illinois

7. 44 Karney, Mike FB 5-11 255 26 5 Arizona State


8. 70 Brown, Jammal T 6-6 313 27 4 Oklahoma
9. 78 Stinchcomb, Jon T 6-5 315 28 6 Georgia
10. 73 Evans, Jahri G 6-4 318 24 3 Bloomsburg
11. 67 Nesbit, Jamar G 6-4 328 31 10 South Carolina
12. 76 Goodwin, Jonathan C/G 6-3 318 29 7 Michigan
13. 64 Strief, Zach T 6-7 320 24 3 Northwestern
14. 65 Alleman, Andy G 6-4 310 24 2 Akron
15. 77 Nicks, Carl T/G 6-5 343 25 R Nebraska

I am gonna say right now that Bushrod will be the odd man out because I have to admit that as much as I try to not be swayed by the hype, I am drinking the Carl Nicks Kool-Aid. That being said if Alleman has a bad preseason I could see Lehr beating him out for backup center. This is a good unit and some good players are gonna have to get cut.

16. 82 Johnson, Eric TE 6-3 252 28 8 Yale
17. 83 Miller, Billy TE 6-3 252 31 9 Southern California
18. 80 Campbell, Mark TE 6-6 260 32 10 Michigan
19. 85 Ghent, Ronnie TE 6-2 253 28 2 Louisville

I just think Ghent has proven that he is a solid blocker and excellent special teams player. If Campbell doesn't come back 100% he will be out of a job. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt right now because I really like liked him before the injury.

20. 12 Colston, Marques WR 6-4 225 24 3 Hofstra
21. 81 Patten, David WR 5-10 190 33 12 Western Carolina
22. 17 Meachem, Robert WR 6-2 210 23 2 Tennessee
23. 19 Henderson, Devery WR 5-11 200 26 5 Louisiana State
24. 16 Moore, Lance WR 5-9 190 24 3 Toledo
25. 18 Copper, Terrance WR 6-0 207 26 5 East Carolina

I left out Arrington because as I said before, I haven't seen him play in the NFL yet. So as of right now I don't see him beating out proven veterans like Moore and Copper. I actually think that if Arrington beats out anyone, it will be Moore, because of Coppers value on special teams.

26. 90 Ellis, Sedrick DT 6-1 307 22 R Southern California
27. 66 Young, Brian DT 6-2 298 30 9 UTEP
28. 99 Thomas, Hollis DT 6-0 335 34 13 Northern Illinois
29. 72 Pressley, DeMario DT 6-3 301 22 R North Carolina State

I never really thought Clancy or Lake were really that good, so I say the rook beats em out.

30. 91 Smith, Will DE 6-3 282 26 5 Ohio State
31. 94 Grant, Charles DE 6-3 285 29 7 Georgia
32. 93 McCray, Bobby DE 6-6 260 26 5 Florida
33. TBD

No way we keep a 240 lb DE on the roster. We will definitely make a move.

34. 51 Vilma, Jonathan LB 6-1 230 26 5 Miami (Fla.)
35. 55 Fujita, Scott LB 6-5 250 29 7 California
36. 58 Shanle, Scott LB 6-2 245 28 6 Nebraska
37. 53 Simoneau, Mark LB 6-0 245 31 9 Kansas State
38. 54 Evans, Troy LB 6-3 238 30 7 Cincinnati
39. 50 Mitchell, Marvin LB 6-3 249 23 2 Tennessee

My personal prediction is that Dan "Captain Injury" Morgan gets hurt in training camp and finally decides to make the right decision and retires. The end of that fiasco. I would still love to have replace Shanle as a starter. I don't think that he's is awful, but the position could definitely be upgraded.

40. 41 Harper, Roman S 6-1 200 25 3 Alabama
41. 43 Kaesviharn, Kevin S 6-1 200 31 8 Augustana (S.D.)
42. 39 Reis, Chris S 6-1 215 24 2 Georgia Tech
43. TBD

I personally think that Josh Bullocks is the biggest piece of s$%& on our team. Worse than Jason David, Simoneau, the late Olindo Mare. The only player in reacent history I thought was more useless was Courney Watson. This is just wishful thinking. I have this horrible feeling that for some godforsaken reason he will be starting over KK again. God he's awful. There is not one thing I can think of that he does well. NOT ONE!

44. 34 McKenzie, Mike CB 6-0 194 32 10 Memphis
45. 20 Gay, Randall CB 5-11 190 26 5 Louisiana State
46. 22 Porter, Tracy CB 5-11 186 21 R Indiana
47. 28 Young, Usama CB 6-0 200 23 2 Kent State
48. 42 David, Jason CB 5-8 180 25 5 Washington State
49. 21 Craft, Jason CB 5-10 187 32 10 Colorado State

No Aaron Glenn. As I stated in my previous post, he is WAAAY over the hill. Doesn't make it out of training camp. M&M will probably begin the season on the PUP list. I say that either we pick up another CB in free agency or maybe one of the WRs makes the team. Maybe current fan fave Arrington. YO ADRIAN!

50. 1 Gramatica, MartÃ*n K 5-8 170 32 9 Kansas State

Gramatica looked great last year. I was as surprised as you were. What I've read of the rook is that he is inconsistent on long field goals.

51. 7 Weatherford, Steve P 6-3 215 25 3 Illinois


52. 47 Houser, Kevin LS 6-2 252 30 9 Ohio State

Most consistent player on the team.

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