Jeremy Shockey

Euphoria · 05-06-2008, 02:11 PM

Thats BS... if you didn't have a player running at the mouth about everything under the sun and his coaches, team mates... no one would think there was a problem.

SHUT UP AND PLAY BALL. He ran his mouth and now it goes to show him the coach he bad mouth won him a damn SB ring = IDIOT.

Memnoch_TP · 05-06-2008, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Thats BS... if you didn't have a player running at the mouth about everything under the sun and his coaches, team mates... no one would think there was a problem.

SHUT UP AND PLAY BALL. He ran his mouth and now it goes to show him the coach he bad mouth won him a damn SB ring = IDIOT.

So, if there WAS a problem and no one says anything about, then it isn't really a problem. A problem is only a problem if someone talks about it.

No. The Giants have had lots of problems with LOTS of players since Coughlin got there. No one acknowledges this.

I also don't care if he threw his coach under the bus. In one sentence, he held himself, his teammates, and his coaches accountable for losing a game. Who, instead of the players and coaches, do you usually hold accountable for a loss? He said "We got outplayed, and we got out coached." He was playing that game, he was taking his own share of the responsibility for the loss.

Everyone focuses on the part of that sentence that they want to focus on. I want to see him shut up and play too, he needs to be in a place where he can shut up and play, and that p[lace is New Orleans.

jeanpierre · 05-07-2008, 12:07 AM

Re: Throwing his Coach under the bus...

Coughlin was getting thrown under the bus, but even he admitted he had to change to accomplish what he did...

Coaches like Coughlin and Mora have limited their success because they wanted some to "fit" a system...

Walsh and Belichick have multiple Superbowls because they take their system and modify it around their players; latest example, Moss, Malcontent Extreme, has probably the best season a WR ever has and his attitude suddenly changes...and why?!? They got him the ball and he knew he'd deliver...

Shockey knows he's a diff-maker at his position and he just wants to show it...

I'd like to know who'd be three options ahead of Shockey on offense...

Eric Johnson isn't exactly a blocking threat, so when he's in, well they know; and Billy Miller could be upgraded, but he's not blowing people up on the line...

Shockey is the most complete TE in the league and Payton will be able to maximize his talents because he's not caught up in putting him into his specific cookie mould...

CantonLegend · 05-08-2008, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'd like to know who'd be three options ahead of Shockey on offense...

thats what ive been saying all along.....i think that colston may still find himself as a favorite but id like to see shockey with us cuz i know that our short passing offense will allow shockey to go all out....he will be dominating...we will use him...if he wouldnt end up drews favorite target then he would be a close second....shockey has mad skills....if u have the chance to put him on ur team u dont pass it up

SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-07-2008, 01:52 PM

I'll summarize the last two pages of responses.

Offense winning the SB: If the defense didn't hold NE to 14 points, there would have been no comeback.

Randy Moss getting the ball: Brees is going to distribute the ball. He's done it his whole career.

Shockey a needed cog in the Giants offense: then why are they shopping him in a trade.

Not a problem in the locker room: That's the Saints locker room right now. Want an example. A quote from Deuce discussing bringing in Soft Alexander:

Alexander to visit Saints after Bengals- NOLA.com

"I anticipate they'll continue to look at veteran running backs," McAllister said. "They have to have some protection just in case there are any setbacks with my rehab, even though there haven't been any. It never hurts to have a Plan B."

Now that's a class act. I actually looked for something from Shockey about Boss. The only thing I found was the other way around.

Boss planning on Shockeyâ€™s return - Utica, NY 13501 - The Observer-Dispatch

Ya'll can be dismissive of team chemistry if you like. But you won't like the results when you bring trouble into the locker room.

BTW problems at work? Got em. 3 people have quit over them. Personally I don't find it very productive.

SFIAH

papz · 05-07-2008, 02:39 PM

People do change... as Moss did in New England. So why can't Shockey should he become a Saint? For not being a class act in New York, I'm sure he's enjoying his Superbowl ring.

Euphoria · 05-07-2008, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by papz

People do change... as Moss did in New England. So why can't Shockey should he become a Saint? For not being a class act in New York, I'm sure he's enjoying his Superbowl ring.

Some people change and some don't.

The main thing that changed Moss was his production and being happy. Moss still showed up to practice.

jeanpierre · 05-07-2008, 05:53 PM

Moss, as a Raider, quit...he flat freakin quit...

Shockey didn't like losing and not getting a chance to contribute without maximizing his talents; he complained, he fussed, but he did not quit...

If the Saints have a culture conducive to winning, as Coach Payton said was his priority when he arrived (changing the culture), then why would you think he'd come in and be a problem...

The Saints definitely need to improve the defense, but if they can put the offense in the top three with Shockey, even with a suspect running game, why not make the move?!?

The 49ers didn't have a dominating defense in the 80's but they had the most prolific offense over course of the decade; why does the formula suddenly not work?!?

Euphoria · 05-07-2008, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Moss, as a Raider, quit...he flat freakin quit...

Shockey didn't like losing and not getting a chance to contribute without maximizing his talents; he complained, he fussed, but he did not quit...

If the Saints have a culture conducive to winning, as Coach Payton said was his priority when he arrived (changing the culture), then why would you think he'd come in and be a problem...

The Saints definitely need to improve the defense, but if they can put the offense in the top three with Shockey, even with a suspect running game, why not make the move?!?

The 49ers didn't have a dominating defense in the 80's but they had the most prolific offense over course of the decade; why does the formula suddenly not work?!?

Ya might want to go revisit the 80's the 49'ers were a solid club Offense to Defense. THey had a damn good D.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-07-2008, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

The 49ers didn't have a dominating defense in the 80's but they had the most prolific offense over course of the decade; why does the formula suddenly not work?!?

.. yeah, Ronnie Lott, Charles Haley, Keena Turner, Tim McKyer, Kevin Fagan, Bill Romanowski, Dwight Hicks, Manu Tiuawhatever.. yeah they all sucked..

05-06-2008, 02:11 PM	#1
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: payton wants shockey................... Thats BS... if you didn't have a player running at the mouth about everything under the sun and his coaches, team mates... no one would think there was a problem. SHUT UP AND PLAY BALL. He ran his mouth and now it goes to show him the coach he bad mouth won him a damn SB ring = IDIOT.

05-06-2008, 03:25 PM	#2
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by Euphoria Thats BS... if you didn't have a player running at the mouth about everything under the sun and his coaches, team mates... no one would think there was a problem. SHUT UP AND PLAY BALL. He ran his mouth and now it goes to show him the coach he bad mouth won him a damn SB ring = IDIOT. So, if there WAS a problem and no one says anything about, then it isn't really a problem. A problem is only a problem if someone talks about it. No. The Giants have had lots of problems with LOTS of players since Coughlin got there. No one acknowledges this. I also don't care if he threw his coach under the bus. In one sentence, he held himself, his teammates, and his coaches accountable for losing a game. Who, instead of the players and coaches, do you usually hold accountable for a loss? He said "We got outplayed, and we got out coached." He was playing that game, he was taking his own share of the responsibility for the loss. Everyone focuses on the part of that sentence that they want to focus on. I want to see him shut up and play too, he needs to be in a place where he can shut up and play, and that p[lace is New Orleans.
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05-07-2008, 12:07 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: payton wants shockey................... Re: Throwing his Coach under the bus... Coughlin was getting thrown under the bus, but even he admitted he had to change to accomplish what he did... Coaches like Coughlin and Mora have limited their success because they wanted some to "fit" a system... Walsh and Belichick have multiple Superbowls because they take their system and modify it around their players; latest example, Moss, Malcontent Extreme, has probably the best season a WR ever has and his attitude suddenly changes...and why?!? They got him the ball and he knew he'd deliver... Shockey knows he's a diff-maker at his position and he just wants to show it... I'd like to know who'd be three options ahead of Shockey on offense... Eric Johnson isn't exactly a blocking threat, so when he's in, well they know; and Billy Miller could be upgraded, but he's not blowing people up on the line... Shockey is the most complete TE in the league and Payton will be able to maximize his talents because he's not caught up in putting him into his specific cookie mould...
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05-08-2008, 10:18 AM	#4
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'd like to know who'd be three options ahead of Shockey on offense... thats what ive been saying all along.....i think that colston may still find himself as a favorite but id like to see shockey with us cuz i know that our short passing offense will allow shockey to go all out....he will be dominating...we will use him...if he wouldnt end up drews favorite target then he would be a close second....shockey has mad skills....if u have the chance to put him on ur team u dont pass it up

05-07-2008, 01:52 PM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: payton wants shockey................... I'll summarize the last two pages of responses. Offense winning the SB: If the defense didn't hold NE to 14 points, there would have been no comeback. Randy Moss getting the ball: Brees is going to distribute the ball. He's done it his whole career. Shockey a needed cog in the Giants offense: then why are they shopping him in a trade. Not a problem in the locker room: That's the Saints locker room right now. Want an example. A quote from Deuce discussing bringing in Soft Alexander: Alexander to visit Saints after Bengals- NOLA.com "I anticipate they'll continue to look at veteran running backs," McAllister said. "They have to have some protection just in case there are any setbacks with my rehab, even though there haven't been any. It never hurts to have a Plan B." Now that's a class act. I actually looked for something from Shockey about Boss. The only thing I found was the other way around. Boss planning on Shockeyâ€™s return - Utica, NY 13501 - The Observer-Dispatch Ya'll can be dismissive of team chemistry if you like. But you won't like the results when you bring trouble into the locker room. BTW problems at work? Got em. 3 people have quit over them. Personally I don't find it very productive. SFIAH
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05-07-2008, 02:39 PM	#6
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,774	Re: payton wants shockey................... People do change... as Moss did in New England. So why can't Shockey should he become a Saint? For not being a class act in New York, I'm sure he's enjoying his Superbowl ring.

05-07-2008, 03:12 PM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by papz People do change... as Moss did in New England. So why can't Shockey should he become a Saint? For not being a class act in New York, I'm sure he's enjoying his Superbowl ring. Some people change and some don't. The main thing that changed Moss was his production and being happy. Moss still showed up to practice.

05-07-2008, 05:53 PM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: payton wants shockey................... Moss, as a Raider, quit...he flat freakin quit... Shockey didn't like losing and not getting a chance to contribute without maximizing his talents; he complained, he fussed, but he did not quit... If the Saints have a culture conducive to winning, as Coach Payton said was his priority when he arrived (changing the culture), then why would you think he'd come in and be a problem... The Saints definitely need to improve the defense, but if they can put the offense in the top three with Shockey, even with a suspect running game, why not make the move?!? The 49ers didn't have a dominating defense in the 80's but they had the most prolific offense over course of the decade; why does the formula suddenly not work?!?
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05-07-2008, 09:10 PM	#9
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by jeanpierre Moss, as a Raider, quit...he flat freakin quit... Shockey didn't like losing and not getting a chance to contribute without maximizing his talents; he complained, he fussed, but he did not quit... If the Saints have a culture conducive to winning, as Coach Payton said was his priority when he arrived (changing the culture), then why would you think he'd come in and be a problem... The Saints definitely need to improve the defense, but if they can put the offense in the top three with Shockey, even with a suspect running game, why not make the move?!? The 49ers didn't have a dominating defense in the 80's but they had the most prolific offense over course of the decade; why does the formula suddenly not work?!? Ya might want to go revisit the 80's the 49'ers were a solid club Offense to Defense. THey had a damn good D.

05-07-2008, 09:24 PM	#10
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by jeanpierre The 49ers didn't have a dominating defense in the 80's but they had the most prolific offense over course of the decade; why does the formula suddenly not work?!? .. yeah, Ronnie Lott, Charles Haley, Keena Turner, Tim McKyer, Kevin Fagan, Bill Romanowski, Dwight Hicks, Manu Tiuawhatever.. yeah they all sucked..