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hagan714 05-11-2008 06:06 AM

A quick look at the WR
 
Evan Moore 6’7 236lbs
Todd Blythe 6’5 214lbs
Marques Colston 6’4 231lbs
Adrian Arrington 6’3 204lbs
Robert Meachem 6’2 214lbs
Dante Ridgeway 6’1 200lbs
Terrance Copper 6’0 207lbsRyan Titus 6’0 193lbs
Devery Henderson 5’11 200lbs
David Patten 5’10 190lbs
Lance Moore 5’9 190lbs
Skylar Green 5’9 190lbs

Some one get me a step ladder.
Think the idea is to have Drew throw up hill? He is only 6'0" after all.

On a side note. I am really hoping Meachem made the most of last year because he is the only player we have with enough speed and better hands, to make Henderson into trade bait.
Yep my usual Henderson bashing wish.

ssmitty 05-11-2008 09:34 AM

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you've done it again.......
if the saints don't play what's his name the amount of time needed i believe they only get a 3rd.......just use him towards the end when we need him, for the playoffs,
so, we trade henderson and hopefully a 4th for shockey and it's a done deal..........

CheramieIII 05-11-2008 10:58 AM

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Starters
Marques Colston 6’4 231lbs
Adrian Arrington 6’3 204lbs
Robert Meachem 6’2 214lbs
Terrance Copper 6’0 207lbs
Devery Henderson 5’11 200lbs
David Patten 5’10 190lbs

Practice Squad
Dante Ridgeway 6’1 200lbs
Lance Moore 5’9 190lbs

This is the way I think it ends up. Moore could even make the final roster as a special team/WR but that would mean that Copper would either be practice squad or no squad.

hagan714 05-11-2008 11:10 AM

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Hey cher you think neither of these giants will make it?
Evan Moore 6’7 236lbs
Todd Blythe 6’5 214lbs
One of them will be a surprise in camp and make the team or PS.

saintsfan1976 05-11-2008 11:16 AM

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Could we move both to TE?

CantonLegend 05-11-2008 11:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 166064)
Starters
Marques Colston 6’4 231lbs
Adrian Arrington 6’3 204lbs
Robert Meachem 6’2 214lbs
Terrance Copper 6’0 207lbs
Devery Henderson 5’11 200lbs
David Patten 5’10 190lbs

Practice Squad
Dante Ridgeway 6’1 200lbs
Lance Moore 5’9 190lbs

This is the way I think it ends up. Moore could even make the final roster as a special team/WR but that would mean that Copper would either be practice squad or no squad.

i disagree....i think that arrington is on the borderline...for sum reason ppl keep puttin him on the roster and nobody argues it....he is not guarenteed a spot...he is short...he doesnt have good speed....his hands are good but if he isnt taller than the DBs it isnt going to help since he cant jump higher than them either....i like our WRs from last year...Lance moore is a good receiver and could start on some teams even tho i dont like him too much...i think arrington is overhyped on these forums and i think its unlikely he makes the team....maybe practice squad or limited playing time...he will not start however....i look for colston and patten to hold down the WR position even tho i dont like patten cuz hes short too...meachem will be 3rd and eventually take pattens spot...can u imagine colston and meachem on the outside....especially after we put patten in the slot....holy moly....thats scary

hagan714 05-11-2008 11:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 166084)
can u imagine colston and meachem on the outside....especially after we put patten in the slot....holy moly....thats scary

I dream it every night. Now I am throwing in a WR at 6'5"+ into the other slot in a 4 WR set with Bush in the backfield. LOL

papz 05-11-2008 12:01 PM

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You did look at his measurements before you called Arrington short and slow right? Bare in mind also that Colston isn't exactly a burner himself. Sure Arrington isn't guaranteed a spot, but his chances are slightly better than the UDFA's. If he makes the team, he'll hold the last roster spot at WR. Expecting him to be a starter or get significant playing time would be a bit much... but heck Colston did it. If you show that you can produce, Payton will find a place to play you.

This is how I'd like for it to play out...

Colston and Meachem starting with Patten in the slot. Henderson as our 4th, Cooper 5th, and Arrington winning out the last spot. It all depends on how much Meachem has grown this past year.

CantonLegend 05-11-2008 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 166089)
You did look at his measurements...

i didnt mean to say short i meant to say small....but ur right...he has good height....he has a very wirey frame...kinda lanky...his breakaway speed fails to impress because he couldnt breakaway.....his hands are his strong point...he can catch the ball which is the most important characteristic in NFL WRs....i just dont see him being an effective threat in our offense

CheramieIII 05-11-2008 06:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 166070)
Hey cher you think neither of these giants will make it?
Evan Moore 6’7 236lbs
Todd Blythe 6’5 214lbs
One of them will be a surprise in camp and make the team or PS.

Hey Hagan I have to say that Moore really intrigues me and has a shot just like anyone else and at 6'7'' and 236 not many could cover at the back of the end zone

pakowitz 05-11-2008 08:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 166095)
....i just dont see him being an effective threat in our offense

i have to disagree with this statement b/c he is a good route runner and has good hands and that plays into the strength of our offense b/c of it being timing based and more of quick short passes.. we have alot of WRs who are more athletic but not overly great at catching the ball other then colston (who also has the dropsies at times) arringtons ability to just make the catch will be very effective in our offense

CantonLegend 05-12-2008 01:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pakowitz (Post 166115)
i have to disagree with this statement b/c he is a good route runner and has good hands and that plays into the strength of our offense b/c of it being timing based and more of quick short passes.. we have alot of WRs who are more athletic but not overly great at catching the ball other then colston (who also has the dropsies at times) arringtons ability to just make the catch will be very effective in our offense

i like ur point because catching IS THE MOST IMPORTANT characteristic of NFL receivers....he has to be a good route runner(and he is decent) because he doesnt have the great speed that the position often requires....i liked watching him in michigan cuz thats my fav college team...but he never really impressed me....i think that if he does play he will get a lot of 1-1 coverage because of colston and the rise of meachem...as well as patten being a great catcher....the more i watch film of him because of this annoying thread the more i like his fundamentals..he doesnt have the breakout speed or the amazing hands of a calvin johnson or a larry fitz but he does the basics really well....he runs routes....he jumps high enough...his catching is his strong point....and he definitly is not afraid to get hit....i watched a few that would put me down for days lol....i hate to do this but i hafta fall back on the fact that he doesnt have ne thing great about what he does.....our depth at receiver just wont allow for a sub-par guy....i just dont see it

papz 05-12-2008 02:26 PM

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i hate to do this but i hafta fall back on the fact that he doesnt have ne thing great about what he does.....our depth at receiver just wont allow for a sub-par guy....i just dont see it
Does Terrance Cooper do anything great? How about Devery besides running in a straight line?

CantonLegend 05-12-2008 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 166164)
Does Terrance Cooper do anything great? How about Devery besides running in a straight line?

ur right....Devery runs very fast...that can be his one great thing....my argument for copper is that he is a vet...other than that...i think it will be between him and arrington for the last wideout spot...if arrington beats out nebody from last years team it will be him....i think that this time his experience gives him the edge

hagan714 05-12-2008 03:23 PM

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There is a reason we signed so many tall WR for camp. There has to be something to it. Short guys have there work cut out for them.

ScottF 05-12-2008 04:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papz (Post 166089)

This is how I'd like for it to play out...

Colston and Meachem starting with Patten in the slot. Henderson as our 4th, Cooper 5th, and Arrington winning out the last spot. It all depends on how much Meachem has grown this past year.

If we carry 6 WR's, then I don't think we can keep 4 RB's, so that would be it for Stecker.

A lot surprisingly depends on Porter. If he can return kicks, then Moore and Stecker probably go. If he is a great ST cover guy, then Copper is gone.

I personally hope Arrington and Meachem step up and produce, allowing us to cut Henderson. I am tired of waiting for him to live up to his over-hyped potential. Just go already-no regrets.

CantonLegend 05-12-2008 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 166202)
If we carry 6 WR's, then I don't think we can keep 4 RB's, so that would be it for Stecker.

A lot surprisingly depends on Porter. If he can return kicks, then Moore and Stecker probably go. If he is a great ST cover guy, then Copper is gone.

I personally hope Arrington and Meachem step up and produce, allowing us to cut Henderson. I am tired of waiting for him to live up to his over-hyped potential. Just go already-no regrets.

a lot of bold statements all in one post

saintsfan1203 05-12-2008 06:28 PM

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Can someone please bring me up to speed. I am not a hater.

Adrian Arrington 6’3 204lbs = taller, better hands.
Robert Meachem 6’2 214lbs = shorter, thicker frame, burner.

I want them both to do great but i'm just confused about the hype over Meachem. He hasn't played any NFL games yet, Arrington hasn't either, but Arrington You Tube clips agaisnt Florida was a beast. I was at the LSU game when Meachem played looked good, I like his YAC but, Damn I love those hands of Arrington.

FireVenturi 05-12-2008 09:21 PM

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I hope they both kick some butt!!

QBREES9 05-12-2008 09:45 PM

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Robert Meachem 6’2 214lbs = shorter, thicker frame, burner. Needs to come out with a chip on his shoulder, and prove why he was are first round pick last year.

Arrington, keeps his head on right. He could just be the steal of the draft.

hagan714 05-13-2008 04:41 AM

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Meachem is the guy that is going to hold the door open for Henderson when he finally leaves the saints. There is no reason he can not duplicate Hendersons numbers. Come on look at last years numbers.
20 catches for 409 yds. average of 20.5. long was 54 and 3 TDs. How many drops? what 6? LOL it is joke guys.
I do not see any WR on this team outside of Colston and Patten as untouchable. I am very comfortable with a complete turn over after those two.

zachsaints52 05-13-2008 07:35 AM

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I hope Lance can make the team. I think he would make a good return/st/4th WR

SaintFanInATLHELL 05-13-2008 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by zachsaints52 (Post 166250)
I hope Lance can make the team. I think he would make a good return/st/4th WR

I think that Lance is going to be out of a job. Even before Arrington was drafted, his receiver position is threatened by Meachum. If Meachum is healthy, then he's gonna play, and he's gonna play receiver.

Porter's speed makes him ideal for returning punts:

http://www.youtube.com/v/70M-NauAoC8&hl=en
Those were Lance's two roles last year. I don't think he's gonna have one this year.

JKool 05-13-2008 10:15 AM

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My thoughts on this:

We're pretty hyped over two guys who have yet to see an NFL regular season snap. I'll just be cautiously optimistic for now.

Here's an interesting story about 7th round picks. Guess who's names come up?

Seventh Heaven, The NFL’s Future Stars, or Maybe Not « Sports Prose

bobcat4u2 05-13-2008 11:26 AM

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could moore make practice squad and be beefed up for a future tight end?

SaintFanInATLHELL 05-13-2008 02:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bobcat4u2 (Post 166257)
could moore make practice squad and be beefed up for a future tight end?

Practice squad requires less than one year of active service and less than 9 games in that one year.

Moore has been active in 20 games over the last 2 years.

No practice squad. The Saints have to keep him or cut him. Those are the only options.

Arrington could be put on the practice squad obviously. However, dude would have to clear waivers. Someone is likely to pick him up.

SFIAH

JKool 05-13-2008 02:45 PM

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It isn't so easy to change positions. A lot of training happens well before one arrives at the NFL level, the learning curve is only going to be longer for those who don't have that training.

ScottF 05-13-2008 03:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bobcat4u2 (Post 166257)
could moore make practice squad and be beefed up for a future tight end?

Umm, he's 5-9, maybe 200 lbs...

CantonLegend 05-13-2008 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 166274)
Umm, he's 5-9, maybe 200 lbs...

evan moore not lance dude lol

BRSaintsFan 05-13-2008 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JKool (Post 166254)
My thoughts on this:

We're pretty hyped over two guys who have yet to see an NFL regular season snap. I'll just be cautiously optimistic for now.

Here's an interesting story about 7th round picks. Guess who's names come up?

Seventh Heaven, The NFL’s Future Stars, or Maybe Not « Sports Prose

Agreed. Keep in mind Arrington is a 7th round pick and is by no means a lock to make the team. Granted we traded a pick next year to get him but even 4th round picks (Antonio Pittman) arent guaranteed a roster spot. I like Arrington's hands and route running can be improved with coaching. The problem that I see is seperation. Colston had an advantage because of his size. He can use his body to create seperation between the ball and the defender. Meachem has the speed to create that seperation. Im not so sure that Arrington will be able to do that at the next level.

I would love for someone to be able to replace Devery but keep in mind that in 06 Devery was key to the success of our offense. You have to have the threat of someone who can stretch the defense to give the underneath routes room to work. If you do not have enough speed on the outside to at least put a safety into a backpedal of the snap, your passing lanes for your QB narrow and the room for your possession receivers (Colston) decreases. Either Meachem needs to provide that threat for us or Devery will again make the team.

CantonLegend 05-14-2008 03:20 AM

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Pick # (237) New Orleans Saints (From Green Bay) - Adrian Arrington WR MICHIGAN
Why not start with the Saints. They seem to know what they’re doing in the late rounds. Arrington opted to leave early due to the impending Rich Rodriguez regime, which would have undoubtedly curtailed his numbers. Scouts tend to think he’ll be unable to separate at the next level and lacks the explosiveness needed. I say he has raw skills and with the right help at the next level, can be a viable slot option in the right system. He’s tough, and will not shy way from the middle of the field.



this has been my argument for awhile now...this article just kinda sums it up and confirms it....arrington has solid basic skills down....i just dont see ne breakaway ability...as far as meachem goes...i hope he pans out...if so....he will be a great addition....he was the top WR coming out of last year according to several sources(after calvin johnson)....i agree almost 100% with what BRsaintsfan said....henderson i think is very valuable just because of his speed...whether he catches ne passes at all doesnt really matter because he will at least take a safety away when he burns the nickel or dime corner.....again....i reiterate....colston and meachem will end up at WR with patten in the slot....i like arringtons hands but i dont see him projecting into the NFL....lance moore makes the team as a returner at least on PR....terrance copper and adrian arrington will compete for the final WR spot...devery has one year left i think to show what he has or he can find somewhere else to work....the taco bell down the street is hiring

hagan714 05-14-2008 05:06 AM

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I guess I am the only person that sees only three untouchables in at WR.
Colston and patten we all agree. Mech well he was a first rounder. After that none should be safe. All replaceable.

ScottF 05-14-2008 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 166288)
evan moore not lance dude lol

Ah, the light bulb goes on.... :)


BTW, whatever happened to Zach Hilton?

phatoosdey 05-14-2008 06:55 PM

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oh well evan moore has been released
so much for that


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