Saints' defense loaded with health concerns

jewagr007 · 05-15-2008, 05:21 PM

Pak....

Good points but you are baseing your argument on interviews and media. If you can show me one reporter that acctually rpoerts the WHOLE truth then I will back you up but it is very unlikely. And as for the Vilme discussion...do you acctually think the FO or trainers would come out and say his knee is bad and he will not be ready after just signing him. Come on man. All that crap is PR and you know it.

Yes...it is all speculation. That is what I said in the post. That is why nothing is for sure untill it happens. I was simply saying that with our current injuries vs the players we have in back-up and players incoming our defense will be better than last year.

Maximkat... LB...yes I watched the same 16 games as you last year. LBs are dependent on DL in run support. There are few LB that can shed blocks of G & T getting to the second lvl. Bad DL = bad LB ...don't care who it is. Even Lewis and Urlacher strugle when there DL is not above NFL average. Not even gonna talk about pass coverage because our LBs are better than some of our CBs

This thread is about the efects of injuries on our defense and that is what my whole post was about. Our injuries will not hurt us as much as we think.

triman · 05-15-2008, 05:51 PM

I think that the addition of B.McCray is going to surrprise some people .This guy had 10 sacks two years ago . If he can return to form it will be a excellent addition . Sedric Elliis is going to benefit all of our DEs by getting push up the middle ,this makes it difficult for the QB to step up in the pocket and easier for the DEs to pressure from the outside . The results are that more throws are rushed ,more sacks result and less completions and more INTs. We are two players better in our pass rush department . Don't be surprised if D. Pressley makes some contribution in the pass rush this year also. B. Young being healthy is an underated improvement from last year also. I am very optimistic about our DLINE this upcoming season.

pakowitz · 05-15-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by jewagr007

And as for the Vilma discussion...do you acctually think the FO or trainers would come out and say his knee is bad and he will not be ready after just signing him. Come on man. All that crap is PR and you know it.

we havent signed him to anything.. we traded for him.. and it could turn out to be for quite a bit if he plays like they think he will.. the point is.. why would we have traded for a player if they didnt think he wasnt going to be fully healthy.. thats why they gave him a physical before they made the trade.. if he wasnt healthy then they never would have made the deal...

Yes...it is all speculation. That is what I said in the post. That is why nothing is for sure untill it happens. I was simply saying that with our current injuries vs the players we have in back-up and players incoming our defense will be better than last year.

i think we will be better too.. we will have better depth and that will go along way

Maximkat... LB...yes I watched the same 16 games as you last year. LBs are dependent on DL in run support. There are few LB that can shed blocks of G & T getting to the second lvl. Bad DL = bad LB ...don't care who it is. Even Lewis and Urlacher strugle when there DL is not above NFL average. Not even gonna talk about pass coverage because our LBs are better than some of our CBs

now this i agree with...

This thread is about the effects of injuries on our defense and that is what my whole post was about. Our injuries will not hurt us as much as we think.

i also agree with this.. the only one im really concerned about is MM b/c of the relative weakness in the rest of the secondary.. with a bunch of young guys who dont have alot of experience... if we dont get any pressure it could be along year...again

hagan714 · 05-15-2008, 06:46 PM

Either way the saints will take their usually cautious approach with injured players. Just like they did with Mech, Colston and Bush last year. Look for an active rotation. A lot of the back ups will get playing time this year.

maximkat · 05-15-2008, 10:40 PM

Maximkat... LB...yes I watched the same 16 games as you last year. LBs are dependent on DL in run support. There are few LB that can shed blocks of G & T getting to the second lvl. Bad DL = bad LB ...don't care who it is. Even Lewis and Urlacher strugle when there DL is not above NFL average. Not even gonna talk about pass coverage because our LBs are better than some of our CBs

Point taken, and I do agree with this, but how many times was Simoneau out of position last year? More than just a few occasions that I recall. I'm just saying, these guys are backups on most teams. Regardless I don't think either of those guys offer much improvement even with a great DL, they just aren't first string material. As to your last sentence...so sadly and comically true...

Tobias-Reiper · 05-15-2008, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

alright then find me a contender that has so many starters down

... what's your point?
I was responding to the OP. There are no teams in the NFL with 100% healthy players. You look around the rosters of any team, there's always someone in every single NFL team coming off knee surgery, or a sprained ankle, or back or neck problems, etc etc etc.

QBREES9 · 05-16-2008, 12:02 AM

great story !!! very good read

pakowitz · 05-16-2008, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

great story !!! very good read

uhhhhhhhhhhhh ok....

Frederick Smith · 05-16-2008, 09:19 AM

I think 007 had a good summary but the linebacker position was not good last year. A good linebacker should be able to out speed an offensive lineman or at least be able to take Him on enough to be disruptive/hold Him up or block the path of the running back while awaiting support. That is why the Saints made all the moves at this position because there is a deficiency there. Pakowitz is still on about David being the starter and I can't see this happening again. The Saints opponents I am sure agree with Pak and can't wait to see Him out there.
I rather believe the Saints are going to Test Him hard in camp and Preseason. They may try and start Him early on in the regular season but He will be pulled. Jason can not take the bright lights. He is the type of player that shows well during practice but can't take the pressure with money is on the line. If I am wrong I owe one to Pak. Anxious to see this senerio play itself out.

saintsfan1203 · 05-16-2008, 02:35 PM

I mean seriously, what other teams would Shanle and Simoneau be starting for? Which few? Any? The LB corp has been below average at best for years. Maybe I saw 16 different games then you last year lol.

You say that injuries are just speculation, but your entire post really is speculation as well. We have no way of knowing whether Gay, Vilma, McCray, or Ellis will have a major impact or how MM and Grant come back from their injuries until September 7th. In fact most of our posts here, from now until the season starts, will really be speculation and a lot of hopes and prayers. We obviously all would love to see all our free agents and draft picks and even undrafted free agents make an impact. I hate to burst bubbles but I can easily garauntee they all will not. It's usually why I'm fairly quiet during the offseason. I'd rather not fill my head with what-ifs long before we even start.

I have finally found someone that I see eye to eye with, this is why I can't wait until the season start. I guess this is what makes B&G the best!!!

05-15-2008, 05:21 PM	#21
jewagr007 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 27	Re: Saints' defense loaded with health concerns Pak.... Good points but you are baseing your argument on interviews and media. If you can show me one reporter that acctually rpoerts the WHOLE truth then I will back you up but it is very unlikely. And as for the Vilme discussion...do you acctually think the FO or trainers would come out and say his knee is bad and he will not be ready after just signing him. Come on man. All that crap is PR and you know it. Yes...it is all speculation. That is what I said in the post. That is why nothing is for sure untill it happens. I was simply saying that with our current injuries vs the players we have in back-up and players incoming our defense will be better than last year. Maximkat... LB...yes I watched the same 16 games as you last year. LBs are dependent on DL in run support. There are few LB that can shed blocks of G & T getting to the second lvl. Bad DL = bad LB ...don't care who it is. Even Lewis and Urlacher strugle when there DL is not above NFL average. Not even gonna talk about pass coverage because our LBs are better than some of our CBs This thread is about the efects of injuries on our defense and that is what my whole post was about. Our injuries will not hurt us as much as we think.

05-15-2008, 05:51 PM	#22
triman 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 783	Re: Saints' defense loaded with health concerns I think that the addition of B.McCray is going to surrprise some people .This guy had 10 sacks two years ago . If he can return to form it will be a excellent addition . Sedric Elliis is going to benefit all of our DEs by getting push up the middle ,this makes it difficult for the QB to step up in the pocket and easier for the DEs to pressure from the outside . The results are that more throws are rushed ,more sacks result and less completions and more INTs. We are two players better in our pass rush department . Don't be surprised if D. Pressley makes some contribution in the pass rush this year also. B. Young being healthy is an underated improvement from last year also. I am very optimistic about our DLINE this upcoming season.
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05-15-2008, 05:59 PM	#23
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Saints' defense loaded with health concerns Originally Posted by jewagr007 And as for the Vilma discussion...do you acctually think the FO or trainers would come out and say his knee is bad and he will not be ready after just signing him. Come on man. All that crap is PR and you know it. we havent signed him to anything.. we traded for him.. and it could turn out to be for quite a bit if he plays like they think he will.. the point is.. why would we have traded for a player if they didnt think he wasnt going to be fully healthy.. thats why they gave him a physical before they made the trade.. if he wasnt healthy then they never would have made the deal... Yes...it is all speculation. That is what I said in the post. That is why nothing is for sure untill it happens. I was simply saying that with our current injuries vs the players we have in back-up and players incoming our defense will be better than last year. i think we will be better too.. we will have better depth and that will go along way Maximkat... LB...yes I watched the same 16 games as you last year. LBs are dependent on DL in run support. There are few LB that can shed blocks of G & T getting to the second lvl. Bad DL = bad LB ...don't care who it is. Even Lewis and Urlacher strugle when there DL is not above NFL average. Not even gonna talk about pass coverage because our LBs are better than some of our CBs now this i agree with... This thread is about the effects of injuries on our defense and that is what my whole post was about. Our injuries will not hurt us as much as we think. i also agree with this.. the only one im really concerned about is MM b/c of the relative weakness in the rest of the secondary.. with a bunch of young guys who dont have alot of experience... if we dont get any pressure it could be along year...again
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05-15-2008, 06:46 PM	#24
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints' defense loaded with health concerns Either way the saints will take their usually cautious approach with injured players. Just like they did with Mech, Colston and Bush last year. Look for an active rotation. A lot of the back ups will get playing time this year.

05-15-2008, 10:40 PM	#25
maximkat ChocolateMilk Connoisseur Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Live Free or Die Posts: 362	Re: Saints' defense loaded with health concerns Maximkat... LB...yes I watched the same 16 games as you last year. LBs are dependent on DL in run support. There are few LB that can shed blocks of G & T getting to the second lvl. Bad DL = bad LB ...don't care who it is. Even Lewis and Urlacher strugle when there DL is not above NFL average. Not even gonna talk about pass coverage because our LBs are better than some of our CBs Point taken, and I do agree with this, but how many times was Simoneau out of position last year? More than just a few occasions that I recall. I'm just saying, these guys are backups on most teams. Regardless I don't think either of those guys offer much improvement even with a great DL, they just aren't first string material. As to your last sentence...so sadly and comically true...

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05-15-2008, 11:06 PM	#26
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Saints' defense loaded with health concerns Originally Posted by CantonLegend alright then find me a contender that has so many starters down ... what's your point? I was responding to the OP. There are no teams in the NFL with 100% healthy players. You look around the rosters of any team, there's always someone in every single NFL team coming off knee surgery, or a sprained ankle, or back or neck problems, etc etc etc.

05-16-2008, 12:02 AM	#27
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: Saints' defense loaded with health concerns great story !!! very good read

05-16-2008, 12:44 AM	#28
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Saints' defense loaded with health concerns Originally Posted by QBREES9 great story !!! very good read uhhhhhhhhhhhh ok....

05-16-2008, 09:19 AM	#29
Frederick Smith SaintsFan101 Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 217	Re: Saints' defense loaded with health concerns I think 007 had a good summary but the linebacker position was not good last year. A good linebacker should be able to out speed an offensive lineman or at least be able to take Him on enough to be disruptive/hold Him up or block the path of the running back while awaiting support. That is why the Saints made all the moves at this position because there is a deficiency there. Pakowitz is still on about David being the starter and I can't see this happening again. The Saints opponents I am sure agree with Pak and can't wait to see Him out there. I rather believe the Saints are going to Test Him hard in camp and Preseason. They may try and start Him early on in the regular season but He will be pulled. Jason can not take the bright lights. He is the type of player that shows well during practice but can't take the pressure with money is on the line. If I am wrong I owe one to Pak. Anxious to see this senerio play itself out.

05-16-2008, 02:35 PM	#30
saintsfan1203 Registered Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 66	Re: Saints' defense loaded with health concerns I mean seriously, what other teams would Shanle and Simoneau be starting for? Which few? Any? The LB corp has been below average at best for years. Maybe I saw 16 different games then you last year lol. You say that injuries are just speculation, but your entire post really is speculation as well. We have no way of knowing whether Gay, Vilma, McCray, or Ellis will have a major impact or how MM and Grant come back from their injuries until September 7th. In fact most of our posts here, from now until the season starts, will really be speculation and a lot of hopes and prayers. We obviously all would love to see all our free agents and draft picks and even undrafted free agents make an impact. I hate to burst bubbles but I can easily garauntee they all will not. It's usually why I'm fairly quiet during the offseason. I'd rather not fill my head with what-ifs long before we even start. I have finally found someone that I see eye to eye with, this is why I can't wait until the season start. I guess this is what makes B&G the best!!!
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