Odell Thurman??

CantonLegend · 05-19-2008, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

If it's true that he hasn't had any issues recently, I say maybe he is just a kid that needed to grow up. Cincinnati may have done him wrong by releasing him because he didn't show up for mini camp. Well, dudes grandma did die. Kind of a crappy excuse to release him, but I do see the Bengals side that enough is enough. I say take a chance on this guy. He could be a model citizen from here on out. If he is not then send him to the waiver wire immediately. I agree that a minimum salary with incentives would be the way to go. I really do not like the idea of the Saints getting crappy character guys on their team, but maybe this one is worth a chance. At least the only issue with this guy is he likes to get drunk and high. A lot of young people grow out of that.

u have to look at the guys he was around in cincy...almost all of them are scrubs with character issues...if he hangs around them guess what....issues are almost guaranteed.....if he came to new orleans he would be surrounded by class A guys...nobody other than hollis thomas has had a history with bad reps....i think it would be a great fit....if u hang out with scrubs...u become a scrub....if u hang out with classy guys...u become classy....its inevitable that the environment around u tempts u

Memnoch_TP · 05-19-2008, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

By the way, if Will Smith is all that, why should we pay him for improved stats this year when his stats may be due to what Ellis is able to contribute?!?

What he is saying is get him a new contract now before he plays with Ellis and we can get him cheaper than we could next year because of his possibly padded stats.

jeanpierre · 05-19-2008, 11:26 PM

Will Smith is not a top 5 nor 10 DE in this league...

Franchise him like Howard till you get a guy worth the money...

pakowitz · 05-20-2008, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Will Smith is not a top 5 nor 10 DE in this league...

what?!?! find me 10 better DEs..

CantonLegend · 05-20-2008, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Will Smith is not a top 5 nor 10 DE in this league...

Franchise him like Howard till you get a guy worth the money...

oh boy now u started it

what?!?! find me 10 better DEs..

i will try....strahan, mario williams, osi umenyora, julius peppers,(jevon kearse?), jason taylor, do 3-4 LB/DEs count..i got a few there...for arguments sake no...they are LBs....dwight freeney, then i gotta go with Will smith

CantonLegend · 05-20-2008, 09:28 AM

actually look what i found....all u gotta do is google search.......

Defensive ends in the National Football League can change the game in an instant with a big sack or any play that goes for a loss. Here's my top ten at this position.

1. Jason Taylor, Dolphins: Taylor is a very athletic guy that can play end or OLB. He had 13.5 sacks and two interceptions (both which were returned for touchdowns) en route to the Defensive Player of the Year Award.

2. Julius Peppers, Panthers: When Peppers is on, I don't know if any tackle in the league can block him. He supposedly had an "off" year in 2006, but still recorded 13 sacks.

3. Aaron Kampman, Packers: Not too many people know much about Mr. Kampman, but, the truth is he should probably be higher. His 15.5 sacks and 89 tackles were tops among D-Ends last year.

4. Aaron Schobel, Bills: Schobel, like Kampman, is a very underrated player. However, he finished second among ends in sacks last year and recorded 53 tackles.

5. Dwight Freeney, Colts: Frenny had an injury-filled 2006. If this list was being made after the 2005 season, he'd be number one.

6. Leonard Little, Rams: Little had 60 tackles to go along with this 13 sacks last season. He's had some off field issues, but is great against both the run and pass.

7. Derrick Burgess, Raiders: Burgess is the best player on a Raiders defense that I think finsihed third in yards agianst last year. He had 11 sacks, but led the league in that category in 2005.

8. Trevor Pryce, Ravens: Pryce used to be one of the most dominating players in Denver. He seems to have regained his old form in Baltimore as he racked up 13 sacks.

9. Justin Smith, Benagals: Smith only had 7.5 sacks last year, but did finsih second among ends in tackles with 81. He is as good as they get against the run.

10. Will Smith, Saints: Smith had 52 tackles and 10.5 sacks last year. He anchored what was a surprisingly good New Orleans defense.

CantonLegend · 05-20-2008, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

What he is saying is get him a new contract now before he plays with Ellis and we can get him cheaper than we could next year because of his possibly padded stats.

honestly who cares whether we get him a new contract now or then...whether u call it padded stats or w/e....if he plays well with ellis....give him his money.....he deserves it...if the defense clicks dont mess with it cuz of a dumb issue like money

deltaman · 05-20-2008, 09:34 AM

yeah, pay him a whole lot more money and maybe he will play as well as charles grant?!?

CantonLegend · 05-20-2008, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by deltaman

yeah, pay him a whole lot more money and maybe he will play as well as charles grant?!?

Ru serious...grant couldnt hold a candle to will smith....and lay off grant...(even tho i didnt)...he was injured last year and he is the best weak-side end that we have....i predict him moving to DT on passing downs and we rotate bobby mccray in at DE....but grant does well when its him and smith on the line together

hagan714 · 05-20-2008, 10:12 AM

LOL LB to DE?
i like our DEs.
i may end up liking our DTs this year.
LBs are up in the air.
Secondary is causing me to lose sleep at night.

Odell has to get a; "You play, You Get Payed" type of contract. pacman style.

05-19-2008, 11:03 PM	#21
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Odell Thurman?? Originally Posted by MatthewT If it's true that he hasn't had any issues recently, I say maybe he is just a kid that needed to grow up. Cincinnati may have done him wrong by releasing him because he didn't show up for mini camp. Well, dudes grandma did die. Kind of a crappy excuse to release him, but I do see the Bengals side that enough is enough. I say take a chance on this guy. He could be a model citizen from here on out. If he is not then send him to the waiver wire immediately. I agree that a minimum salary with incentives would be the way to go. I really do not like the idea of the Saints getting crappy character guys on their team, but maybe this one is worth a chance. At least the only issue with this guy is he likes to get drunk and high. A lot of young people grow out of that. u have to look at the guys he was around in cincy...almost all of them are scrubs with character issues...if he hangs around them guess what....issues are almost guaranteed.....if he came to new orleans he would be surrounded by class A guys...nobody other than hollis thomas has had a history with bad reps....i think it would be a great fit....if u hang out with scrubs...u become a scrub....if u hang out with classy guys...u become classy....its inevitable that the environment around u tempts u

05-19-2008, 11:07 PM	#22
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Re: Odell Thurman?? Originally Posted by jeanpierre By the way, if Will Smith is all that, why should we pay him for improved stats this year when his stats may be due to what Ellis is able to contribute?!? What he is saying is get him a new contract now before he plays with Ellis and we can get him cheaper than we could next year because of his possibly padded stats.

05-19-2008, 11:26 PM	#23
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05-20-2008, 12:15 AM	#24
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05-20-2008, 09:27 AM	#25
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Odell Thurman?? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Will Smith is not a top 5 nor 10 DE in this league... Franchise him like Howard till you get a guy worth the money... oh boy now u started it what?!?! find me 10 better DEs.. i will try....strahan, mario williams, osi umenyora, julius peppers,(jevon kearse?), jason taylor, do 3-4 LB/DEs count..i got a few there...for arguments sake no...they are LBs....dwight freeney, then i gotta go with Will smith

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05-20-2008, 09:28 AM	#26
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Odell Thurman?? actually look what i found....all u gotta do is google search....... Defensive ends in the National Football League can change the game in an instant with a big sack or any play that goes for a loss. Here's my top ten at this position. 1. Jason Taylor, Dolphins: Taylor is a very athletic guy that can play end or OLB. He had 13.5 sacks and two interceptions (both which were returned for touchdowns) en route to the Defensive Player of the Year Award. 2. Julius Peppers, Panthers: When Peppers is on, I don't know if any tackle in the league can block him. He supposedly had an "off" year in 2006, but still recorded 13 sacks. 3. Aaron Kampman, Packers: Not too many people know much about Mr. Kampman, but, the truth is he should probably be higher. His 15.5 sacks and 89 tackles were tops among D-Ends last year. 4. Aaron Schobel, Bills: Schobel, like Kampman, is a very underrated player. However, he finished second among ends in sacks last year and recorded 53 tackles. 5. Dwight Freeney, Colts: Frenny had an injury-filled 2006. If this list was being made after the 2005 season, he'd be number one. 6. Leonard Little, Rams: Little had 60 tackles to go along with this 13 sacks last season. He's had some off field issues, but is great against both the run and pass. 7. Derrick Burgess, Raiders: Burgess is the best player on a Raiders defense that I think finsihed third in yards agianst last year. He had 11 sacks, but led the league in that category in 2005. 8. Trevor Pryce, Ravens: Pryce used to be one of the most dominating players in Denver. He seems to have regained his old form in Baltimore as he racked up 13 sacks. 9. Justin Smith, Benagals: Smith only had 7.5 sacks last year, but did finsih second among ends in tackles with 81. He is as good as they get against the run. 10. Will Smith, Saints: Smith had 52 tackles and 10.5 sacks last year. He anchored what was a surprisingly good New Orleans defense.
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05-20-2008, 09:31 AM	#27
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Odell Thurman?? Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP What he is saying is get him a new contract now before he plays with Ellis and we can get him cheaper than we could next year because of his possibly padded stats. honestly who cares whether we get him a new contract now or then...whether u call it padded stats or w/e....if he plays well with ellis....give him his money.....he deserves it...if the defense clicks dont mess with it cuz of a dumb issue like money

05-20-2008, 09:34 AM	#28
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05-20-2008, 09:41 AM	#29
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Odell Thurman?? Originally Posted by deltaman yeah, pay him a whole lot more money and maybe he will play as well as charles grant?!? Ru serious...grant couldnt hold a candle to will smith....and lay off grant...(even tho i didnt)...he was injured last year and he is the best weak-side end that we have....i predict him moving to DT on passing downs and we rotate bobby mccray in at DE....but grant does well when its him and smith on the line together

05-20-2008, 10:12 AM	#30
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Odell Thurman?? LOL LB to DE? i like our DEs. i may end up liking our DTs this year. LBs are up in the air. Secondary is causing me to lose sleep at night. Odell has to get a; "You play, You Get Payed" type of contract. pacman style.