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Papa Voodoo 05-21-2008 03:04 PM

So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
With Morgan retired I know we have Shanle. Besides Shanle, what other LBs on our squad or "available" would fit the bill and not break the bank? Did Simmons sign with another team already?

SapperSaint 05-21-2008 03:24 PM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
Looks like Luke Sanders needs to step his game up 100%.

CantonLegend 05-21-2008 04:31 PM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
i know its hard to stomache but i think we are going to go into the season with the LBs we have....i think simineau will start at MLB and vilma will be strong side...leaving fujita at weakside..i really believe that is our best option unless we pick up another LB...i would rather see simineau on the field than shanle....if we have to move vilma to do that then so be it...vilma is no doubt our best linebacker and IMO i believe him to be a great fit at ne of the LB positions....and even better at strong side because of his speed and quickness to the ball

klebl2 05-21-2008 04:40 PM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
My vote is to bring in either Spikes or Thurman before training camp. Neither of them is ideal, but at the same time nor are they any more of a "risk" than Dan Morgan was. I'm more comfortable with Spikes' shoulder than I was with the possibililty of Morgan getting concussed again. As for Thurman, I think that a change of scenery may do him some good, he's very young comparatively, and he's obviously got a good skill set and a good motor. I'd like to see us bring one of them in on a low-level, incentive based contract. We'll see...

CantonLegend 05-21-2008 04:47 PM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
IMO it would be better to bring in thurman just because of the youth movement we seem to be making...i dont think spikes has ne thing left and we seem to be in a good position to sign him....again...i dont think it will happen but i do like the idea of the "u play, u get paid" type of contract that we would offer him....he led Cincy in tackles when he played and was a dominant threat on defense every play....i would like to see him in black and gold as long as he keeps his nose clean

FireVenturi 05-21-2008 04:52 PM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
we have to bring someone in,Vilma is a MLB, plain and simple. with his build it is a good chance he will struggle at WLB or SLB, but be a beast as a Mlb

saintsfan1976 05-21-2008 05:17 PM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
We're already putting a ton of FAITH in Vilma being the player he once was.

CantonLegend 05-21-2008 05:24 PM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FireVenturi (Post 166897)
we have to bring someone in,Vilma is a MLB, plain and simple. with his build it is a good chance he will struggle at WLB or SLB, but be a beast as a Mlb

assuming we dont....who would u rather have on the field?...shanle or simineau?

SmashMouth 05-21-2008 06:04 PM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
Is Ricky Jackson still available? Solid veteran with little mouths to feed ...

hagan714 05-21-2008 06:10 PM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
Troy Evans is our only WLB in camp besides Scott Shanle.
I keep looking at the roster and I see nothing else to speak off.
Luke Sanders?????
I keep looking at the FA and their is only the names we have thrown around already. WLB are just not there.

Takeo Spikes
Odell Thurman
Isaiah Ekejiuba
Randall Godfrey
Mario Haggan
Warrick Holdman
Junior Seau
Adam Seward
Donnie Spragan
Jeremiah Trotter
Ian Gold
Roosevelt Colvin

Looking at the list there are not really any true WLB to talk about unless we are talking walking wounded or trying to play them out of position. This maybe a spot to roll the dice one more time in the FO. Character or injury or age?

Well lets see what happens the next few months.

QBREES9 05-21-2008 10:00 PM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
Ian Gold or Takeo Spikes.. Heck bring Jason Taylor

winmill1 05-21-2008 10:03 PM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
I would bring in Thurman for a testdrive.

winmill1 05-21-2008 10:08 PM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 166926)
Ian Gold or Takeo Spikes.. Heck bring Jason Taylor

QBREES don't even mention Jason Taylor. We got enough problems with Reggie's fancy dancing all over the field, god knows what kind of crap we'd see with Taylor. Probally waltzing or something ritzy.

jeanpierre 05-21-2008 10:20 PM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
We may be able to take the money for C Grant and place it with Jason Taylor ; )

I'm not sure we have many options as there are 31 other NFL franchises that would like solid LB's as well...

Curious though, Odell Thurman has to clear waivers; I wonder if the Saints are at slot 10 on the Waivers List further up or down?!?

504Highlander 05-22-2008 12:55 AM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 166912)
Troy Evans is our only WLB in camp besides Scott Shanle.
I keep looking at the roster and I see nothing else to speak off.
Luke Sanders?????
I keep looking at the FA and their is only the names we have thrown around already. WLB are just not there.

Takeo Spikes
Odell Thurman
Isaiah Ekejiuba
Randall Godfrey
Mario Haggan
Warrick Holdman
Junior Seau
Adam Seward
Donnie Spragan
Jeremiah Trotter
Ian Gold
Roosevelt Colvin

Looking at the list there are not really any true WLB to talk about unless we are talking walking wounded or trying to play them out of position. This maybe a spot to roll the dice one more time in the FO. Character or injury or age?

Well lets see what happens the next few months.

Roosevelt Colvin. This guy was a bada$$ at NE. If he is healthy, I would be into it.

Also, anyone notice Geathers' size? How tough would it be to convert Geathers into an LB instead of DE ? Does he have the speed ?

Hmm, interesting ?

JKool 05-22-2008 02:17 AM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
I'd like to see us pick up Spikes. I think he's still got a little left in the tank.

I know this will be unpopular, but I actually think that Simoneau could move to the WLB and be better than he was in the middle. In 2006 he had a pretty good year for us, and a slight change in reponsibilities might be just what he needs.

Of course, there are a few players on the roster who could be surprises.

In the end, I'd be pretty happy with at least one more vetran addition to the LB corps.

NEXTPROBOWLER 05-22-2008 03:46 AM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
too me there all too old or too raw, but if u gotta pick up someone it might as well be spikes he had 84 tackles in 14 games wit 4 sacks or Ian gold he had 72 tackles wit 2 sacks in 14 games, but he tends to get push back in run support.... i mean all else whatever happen to that office linebacker lol

ssmitty 05-22-2008 04:37 AM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
don't we usually turn to the bengals when we need help?

The Enquirer - Without Odell, LB count to 11

hagan714 05-22-2008 05:04 AM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
The Bungals? I will say it again. Play for Pay Contracts only. Money kickers if you make the season without getting trouble. Then the same clauses if you decide to sign them for the following year.

Henry would be a great addition as would Thurman.

I think we can wait and see what else is out there later.

SaintFanInATLHELL 05-22-2008 07:04 AM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 166893)
i know its hard to stomache but i think we are going to go into the season with the LBs we have....i think simineau will start at MLB and vilma will be strong side...leaving fujita at weakside..i really believe that is our best option unless we pick up another LB...i would rather see simineau on the field than shanle....if we have to move vilma to do that then so be it...vilma is no doubt our best linebacker and IMO i believe him to be a great fit at ne of the LB positions....and even better at strong side because of his speed and quickness to the ball

No. NO! NOOOOOOOOOO! :mad::mad::mad:

#53 is awful. Out of position and swallowed up all the time/ I'd rather see Evans on the weak side than #53 anywhere on the field.

Sam: Fujita
Mike: Vilma
Will: Evans or Shanle

Any other combo would just be a crime.

When it comes to #53, the answer needs to be "Just say No!"

SFIAH

JKool 05-22-2008 10:27 AM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
I just don't see Vilma playing the SAM. He's just not big enough, and coming off injury, that is a tough position in terms of its demands on change in direction, etc. I think if Vilma isn't playing MIKE, he'd have to play WILL at this point.

Fortunately, we could use a simple scheme that reduces the importance of the WLB and a Shanle or a new guy could be protected there (in the base anyway).

Doctor Saint 05-22-2008 11:03 AM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JKool (Post 166981)
I just don't see Vilma playing the SAM. He's just not big enough, and coming off injury, that is a tough position in terms of its demands on change in direction, etc. I think if Vilma isn't playing MIKE, he'd have to play WILL at this point.

Fortunately, we could use a simple scheme that reduces the importance of the WLB and a Shanle or a new guy could be protected there (in the base anyway).

so you see fujita playing strong side and shanle at weak? vilma would obviously be middle. i think a healthy vilma would be dominant no matter which position at LB he plays. if he is healthy and we can land another LB via FA or trade then i think vilma is the most versatile and will allow whomever we land to play their strongest position. I foresee vilma playing MLB and fujita at strong side tho. shanle will play weak unless we bring in another LB to cut out all the remaining strands of last years horrific LB crew

JKool 05-22-2008 11:19 AM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
I think Vilma could easily play the WLB. I've been mildly advocating a LB system where the WLB is open to "free style" a bit more, with more of a run stopper in at MLB.

In my mind, as long as Fugita is healthy, he is the right guy for our SLB position. He's got good size and decent (to good) coverage skills. He also plays pretty strong at the point of attack. Overall, I'm pleased with his play for us, even if he's never going to be a star.

Shanle and Simoneau (contrary to common opinion these days) are both serviceable NFL linebackers, but they're not going to scare anyone and don't impress me much.

Doctor Saint 05-22-2008 11:59 AM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
i think even better than the idea of the LB roaming i would like to see a safety like troy polamaulu be brought in where he can roam all over the field. if we had a safety that could do that he could very well be a key addition not only to our secondary but also to our front 7. i think that would be an even bigger addition rather than bringing in another LB

Papa Voodoo 05-22-2008 12:51 PM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JKool (Post 166989)
I think Vilma could easily play the WLB. I've been mildly advocating a LB system where the WLB is open to "free style" a bit more, with more of a run stopper in at MLB.

In my mind, as long as Fugita is healthy, he is the right guy for our SLB position. He's got good size and decent (to good) coverage skills. He also plays pretty strong at the point of attack. Overall, I'm pleased with his play for us, even if he's never going to be a star.

Shanle and Simoneau (contrary to common opinion these days) are both serviceable NFL linebackers, but they're not going to scare anyone and don't impress me much.

So how about Trotter at MLB and move Vilma to WLB? Maybe rotate him out on obvious passing downs?

saintsrule 05-22-2008 01:39 PM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
It's been awhile since I have been here, I didn't know Morgan retired.

LordOfEntropy 05-22-2008 02:28 PM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
Yeah, his leg rehab didn't work out. So he just retired, gave up on the rehab, and left us screwed at WLB.

It's not much of a surprise though, as number of us were saying he wouldn't last past game 3 anyway. So I guess we just get to deal with the problem we expected a little earlier than we expected.

JKool 05-23-2008 11:27 PM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
Papa, I like that idea.

Dr. S, I think that would be a good thing. However, the way our secondary has played, I don't think we need a head-hunter type safety; we're really in the market for a coverage guy. However, I see how your idea could work. We'd need much better play out of our corners, though.

hagan714 05-24-2008 05:13 AM

Re: So who are the solid WLB's available to us?
 
Vilma's strengths are are working through traffic from sideline to sideline. Sorry we do not have a LB that can do this other than Vilma. He stays in the middle.


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