Saints put LT BRown on IR
 

profootballtalk just put this up. ODd since he was slated to return at end of october. Something fishy....

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Well this sucks balls. Im glad we have some depth.

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Fishy indeed. Complications? Or does Payton realize how badly he needs help at that position and doesn't want to wait.

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link?

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never mind it looks like it's true
New Orleans Saints - Injured Reserve

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That hurts the program. We have some tough teams to play the 2nd half of the season.

Bushrod and Strief will have to pick it up a notch to say the least.

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or if they play well gives us some trade bait for next offseason....

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why is this??? i thought he was due back in october

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2008 withdrawals?

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maybe it's because they are not taking any chances?
or
it's not healing as fast as they would like to see?

honestly it could be for any number of reason

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Ugh. Maybe we can bring him back for the postseason if we earn a playoff berth and he is 100%.

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Hmmm isnt there someone we can sign?...Levi Jones....anybody for depth..we did resign..Nick Lechey i think...

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Scratch that, I don't think league rules allow us to take a player off IR for postseason.

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Doubt if he could have been the same player this year.

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maybe they learnt something from shockeys injury last year and just decided to pull the plug.

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With the double surgery it would have been tough for him to come back this year especially needing your lower body strength for blocking.

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not good....bushrod played terribly and strief is a solid backup...not a starter

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Horrible news, but the Saints should be able to pull through it.

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To be completely honest with you, I think the Saints are going to be alright. It sucks losing Brown, but Bushrod has played well in his absence and we're 3-0. Not to mention he's already faced two good pass rushers (Schobel and Cole) and fared pretty well. This is a good team, and far more balanced than we've been in maybe 10 years.

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I'm with you on Bushrod, Deuce ... but we need to bring someone in. Who's available or did we cut anyone who's worth anything?

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i cant believe the statements im reading about bushrod.......maybe im the only person who thinks hes been terrible

our line has given up 4 sacks without brown in only 3 games and it should've been a lot worse than that......just by watching the saints/eagles highlights you can tell how poorly bushrod played.....and thats supposed to be a highlight video

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He also handled Mario Williams in the preseason. Streif and Nicks are monsters...just worried about fast edge rushers but Brown may not have been able to move out on them either this year.

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Losing Brown is certainly a blow, but I'm with Deuce. While Bushrod and Strief aren't on the same level with Brown, I think they can do an adequate enough job that our offense can maintain what we're currently doing. With Strief now completely healthy, we can have a solid rotation between the two so that neither wears down towards the end of the season... which would be my biggest concern.

Now while a couple my view Bushrod as "terrible" (just like Goodwin *cough*) and Strief as a solid backup, as of right now, we still have the number one offense in the league. Not only are we passing the ball with great efficiency, our rushing attack currently is one of the league's best. Pretty good for a line who a couple may view as far inferior to the likes of New England and Indy.

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Heck, just keep putting Strief into the game as a TE and line him up on the left side next to Bushrod.

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Which is working beautifully, by the way!

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Belichick and the interchangeable parts program. Build the team like the best in the business and they will respond. Busrod and Streif will work out. Worried about the depth now, but, run baby run...

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offensive tackles arent interchangeable....a good offensive line makes skill players interchangeable but not the other way around

the pats offensive line has been the most consistant piece of their team throughout the years....dont confuse their team with our team

we have not yet created that kind of stability

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Aren't you the guy who thought Aaron Stecker was a really good running back?

Haha I'm just messing with you Canton...

But seriously, Bushrod has played very well. He's not Jamaal Brown, but he's damn close according to the first few games of this season.

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I can not stand it any more! the left tackle issue! I have been waiting for this! No I wont do it :nono2:

Considering Bushrod has played in three games at LT I would grade him out as not bad. But i would keep assigning back up help on the left side. watch the RB on passing plays. Their first check down is almost always to Bushrods side.

Marques Douglas and Vernon Gholston are on tabs for next week. They do not worry too much.

David Harris worries me! splitting the gap. He has blitzing like crazy this year.

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I don't see where there is much that can be done now. Brown is on IR and can't come back this season, so they have to go with Bushrod. I just hope he is healthy because he had to come out of the game last week.

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16-0?

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Both Bushrod and Strief has played well. A couple of sacks given up were on Brees for holding the ball too long. For Bushrod to equal Brown in preventing a couple sacks, all he has to do is grab hold of the jersey like Brown does and back us up 10 yards. Brown is a great RT and just slightly above average LT in my opinion. Now with all this said I think we know what should be targeted in the draft next year.

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I'd target a RDE, or LDE, or OLB before a LT.

We may target a LG, if we move Nicks to LT. My guess is we re-sign Brown and he continues to play above-average LT for us for several more years.

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The Pats and Colts have plugged and played with their offensive line also. They've let many offensive lineman go via free agency and have plugged draft picks, free agents, and UDFA's in their place. And yet, they manage to perform at a high level every year regardless of who's there. Their system allows them to maintain that level of success. I'd like to think being one of the best offenses in the league for the past 3 seasons, we have created that kind of stability.

Faine was replaced by Goodwin.
Nesbit was replaced by a rookie named Carl Nicks.
Brown and now has been replaced by Bushrod and Strief.
I forgot who Evans replaced but he started while still inexperienced also.
Stinchcomb has pretty much been the consistent on the line.

Because of our system, regardless of their flaws, we're still a powerhouse offense as we're able to get the most out of our players at the position.

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we have created stability, but not on the offensive line.....our offensive line has been pretty inconsistant if you look at the 3rd and shorts that we missed or if you look at the penalties

while brown was good for a few penalties every year, he was our best lineman and many of you think that evans has been our best lineman, but evans has fallen off a bit and because of the pressure and responsibility of the LT position, brown has come out as the most important and best lineman on the team

out of necessity, not talent......we didnt want to pay faine so he walked
carl nicks is one of the best young linemen in the league.....he will be our best lineman in a few years and he will be a stud.....nesbit was replaced because nicks was better

due to injury......brown has not been replaced because bushrod has been playing terribly and streif isnt as fast or as strong as brown

this is a post just to get under my skin i think but its laughable at best......our offensive line isnt something we can mess with......it has helped create the #1 offense in the league and losing one of the cornerstones is a big deal.......anyway you spin it

sure its a big deal if we lose vilma because we dont have a solid backup.....but its not a big deal because we lose the second most important position in all of football? im sorry but you are wrong here

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no......i know you're just joking but i never said stecker was a great running back.......i just said he was my favorite player......i knew he was a career backup but he was asked to do a lot when injuries were killing us and he came through......he was a major part of rebuilding our team and he never got the credit he deserved IMO

since many think bushrod has played well, lets consider the game footage.....actually lets not even look at the game footage, lets just look at a highlight video that is supposed to show HIGHLIGHTS

NFL Videos

he gets beat on the first play of this highlight....he then gets beat on the first play of the part about reggie

then at 1:52 he gets beat again, then at 2:32 he gets beat again

then at 3:04 his man gets through and causes a fumble

then at 3:25 he gets beat by a DT and gets away with a hold

this is a small sample of how bushrod has played overall.....and this was against the lions front 4

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And yet we're number one in the league on offense. I don't see how you can't put one and one together. Production is what matters... and we're producing.

I feel Brown is our best lineman also... never said he wasn't in the first place. You're preaching to the choir.

I'm showing you that we've been plugging just like the Pats and Indy has and we consistent produce at a high level? Does it matter why who replaced who? Whoever has been put there in that position, has produced. In highsight, it's easy to say Player A was better than Player B which is why they were replaced... in highsight. At that point in time which they were replaced, they were inexperienced young players with everything to prove. No one knew what to expect.

We have an it's working. The Pats have and it's worked. The Colts have and it's working.

Huh? No one is saying it's not a big deal which is how you're interpreting this. What is being said is that we'll manage without him... life goes on. He's a Pro Bowl talent. It would be stupid to say he's not a big loss... which is why no one is saying it. Some just choose to be logical and optimistic at the same time... the sky isn't going to fall because Brown isn't on the field. We're not going to stop winning games because Brown isn't on the field. We're 3-0 with the top offense in the league again... he'll be missed but we'll survive.

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now we are just arguing to argue....whatever

production isnt what matters....you said we were consistant.....we arent consistant, but we have produced...3 games doesnt make us consistant.....especially when we've played 3 teams that are collectively 4-6

you are implying that we are ok because brown is injured because we have solid backups and i am saying its not ok because our solid backups arent very solid

believe it or not, i know a little bit about offensive linemen and i was well aware of how nicks was playing at guard......ive watched jermon bushrod the past 3 games and ive watched jammal brown over the past few seasons.....you said whoever we have put in has produced, but bushrod would've allowed 6 more sacks in the lions game if not for brees avoiding the DE that bushrod completely missed.....brees cant do that all the time and eventually hes going to get clobbered

you are saying its not a big deal because we have 2 other tackles to replace him....im not saying the sky is falling, just that the options we have at tackle are going to hurt us long term......if you watch the games you can see how bushrod has played.....he is going to get drew hurt and then we arent going to "survive"......we lose brown and then the pieces start to fall....

im saying we need to figure something out before we get drew hurt and not afterwards

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You've got yourself pegged.

Production doesn't matter? If you don't produce in this league, you won't win many games. Right now 3-0. That's a ridiculous statement to make. We've consistently had the one of the top offenses in the league for the past 3 years... and 3 games into the season, we are continually having success. That is consistency. What difference does it make if our opponents are 4-6? Does a win, a catch, a pass, a tackle, a touchdown count any less against a winning versus a losing team? Let's not pretend Philly and Buffalo have crappy defenses either. Coming into the game, all of our opponents had record of 500 or better. So that 4-6 stat our yours have little significance in my book.

I'm not implying nothing. I flat out said it. Whether or not you feel our backups aren't solid enough, well... that's your opinion. All I know is that we're 3-0 with the best offense in the league... which should speak volumes for itself.

I don't believe it and I'm sure you already know my opinion about your ability to see talent... I made that quite clear.

Now I can just tell you're not reading what's being typed.
That's what I said (bold part most important)... pretty clear cut and I don't see how you can misinterpret that.

No one would like Drew get hurt but at this point in time, 3 games into the season, all we'll be able to do find a backup tackle to add depth to our line. Hope for the best and not expect the worst comes to mind here.

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we cant edit our posts but i did try to edit that and say that production isnt the only thing that matters.....production now wont translate over the 16 game season if we cant be consistant......consistancy translates to wins over a 16 game season


believe it and its a shame that you feel that way but im sure you already know my opinion about your ability to moderate

what you are saying and what you are implying are 2 different things......you say its a big deal that brown is out but then turn around and say its not a big deal because bushrod and streif are doing fine