Dumbest comment I have ever seen on Brees

Sir Psycho Sexy · 10-01-2009, 01:41 PM

SO flame me if you will, but he is %100 correct about Brees being a pocket passer, that's not a bad thing. And pocket passers are easier to get to than someone like Ben or McNabb. Which is Why Peyton, Brady, and Brees have been given great O-lines to protect them.

Brees has good feet and a wicked 3 step drop which makes him much more elusive than most pocket QBs. But if our O-line doesn't hold, Brees will falter given he isn't a "mobile" QB.

So other than his "Drew Freeze" and final score projection, I agree - If the jets dominate our O-line, Brees will not be able to make plays consistently.

Hopefully, if that is the case our Run game and D will step up and keep the Jets D honest.

joker-saint · 10-01-2009, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Sir Psycho Sexy

SO flame me if you will, but he is %100 correct about Brees being a pocket passer, that's not a bad thing. And pocket passers are easier to get to than someone like Ben or McNabb. Which is Why Peyton, Brady, and Brees have been given great O-lines to protect them.

Brees has good feet and a wicked 3 step drop which makes him much more elusive than most pocket QBs. But if our O-line doesn't hold, Brees will falter given he isn't a "mobile" QB.

So other than his "Drew Freeze" and final score projection, I agree - If the jets dominate our O-line, Brees will not be able to make plays consistently.

Hopefully, if that is the case our Run game and D will step up and keep the Jets D honest.

Thats the point. He can depend on the o line to open up holes for the run gam. There either going to rush or respect the ground game. Being that we are ranked 1st and second in those categories its kind of hard to cover both. Unless Ryan has some sort of hybrid defense. He even said hes not looking forward to this game. I wonder why?????

Tobias-Reiper · 10-01-2009, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by Sir Psycho Sexy

SO flame me if you will, but he is %100 correct about Brees being a pocket passer, that's not a bad thing. And pocket passers are easier to get to than someone like Ben or McNabb.

riiiiight, that's why
Ben got sacked only 46 times last year
McNabb got sacked only 23 times last year
whereas Brees got sacked 13 times... he's a freaking statue.

That Brees doesn't run around the entire backfield like a chicken with his head cut off doesn't mean he's not mobile. He, much like Payton Manning, has tremendous pocket awareness and is able to use the pocket to his advantage, and has great footwork. That's why Brees doesn't get sacked, not because he's got a great o-line. While these "mobile" QBs are trying to run away from the defenders, Brees and Manning dodge them very effectively within a small area using the bodies and space around them. Brady is not as good, actually.

joker-saint · 10-01-2009, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

riiiiight, that's why
Ben got sacked only 46 times last year
McNabb got sacked only 23 times last year
whereas Brees got sacked 13 times... he's a freaking statue.

That Brees doesn't run around the entire backfield like a chicken with his head cut off doesn't mean he's not mobile. He, much like Payton Manning, has tremendous pocket awareness and is able to use the pocket to his advantage, and has great footwork. That's why Brees doesn't get sacked, not because he's got a great o-line. While these "mobile" QBs are trying to run away from the defenders, Brees and Manning dodge them very effectively within a small area using the bodies and space around them. Brady is not as good, actually.

Your right about that. He does use the bodies around him. Afterall isn't that what blockers are for? I think the Jets might get a few sacks, but then again it is in the dome and we have done a better job there than on the road. Sharpe and Dukes both are saying that the Jets aren't going to be able to keep up with our high scoring offense. Is it sunday yet? Mannnnn I cant wait.

CantonLegend · 10-02-2009, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

riiiiight, that's why
Ben got sacked only 46 times last year
McNabb got sacked only 23 times last year
whereas Brees got sacked 13 times... he's a freaking statue.

That Brees doesn't run around the entire backfield like a chicken with his head cut off doesn't mean he's not mobile. He, much like Payton Manning, has tremendous pocket awareness and is able to use the pocket to his advantage, and has great footwork. That's why Brees doesn't get sacked, not because he's got a great o-line. While these "mobile" QBs are trying to run away from the defenders, Brees and Manning dodge them very effectively within a small area using the bodies and space around them. Brady is not as good, actually.

tom brady got sacked on average, 25 times over the past several seasons
Peyton Manning got sacked on average, nearly 18 times a season over his career

pocket passers do operate in a smaller area but good ones like brees and manning are able to avoid the rush like you said

brady is not elusive at all, he doesnt have great pocket awareness....he doesnt make the best decisions all the time....the reason he is listed in the top 3 QBs all the time is because of his rings and his offensive line that gives him ample time to make every decision on the football field.....when he gets hurried like against the giants, he struggles....brees doesnt

10-01-2009, 01:41 PM	#1
Sir Psycho Sexy Moderator Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA - Behind enemy lines. Someone throw me a grenade!! Posts: 941	Re: Dumbest comment I have ever seen on Brees SO flame me if you will, but he is %100 correct about Brees being a pocket passer, that's not a bad thing. And pocket passers are easier to get to than someone like Ben or McNabb. Which is Why Peyton, Brady, and Brees have been given great O-lines to protect them. Brees has good feet and a wicked 3 step drop which makes him much more elusive than most pocket QBs. But if our O-line doesn't hold, Brees will falter given he isn't a "mobile" QB. So other than his "Drew Freeze" and final score projection, I agree - If the jets dominate our O-line, Brees will not be able to make plays consistently. Hopefully, if that is the case our Run game and D will step up and keep the Jets D honest.
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10-01-2009, 01:53 PM	#2
joker-saint 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 382 Blog Entries: 12	Re: Dumbest comment I have ever seen on Brees Originally Posted by Sir Psycho Sexy SO flame me if you will, but he is %100 correct about Brees being a pocket passer, that's not a bad thing. And pocket passers are easier to get to than someone like Ben or McNabb. Which is Why Peyton, Brady, and Brees have been given great O-lines to protect them. Brees has good feet and a wicked 3 step drop which makes him much more elusive than most pocket QBs. But if our O-line doesn't hold, Brees will falter given he isn't a "mobile" QB. So other than his "Drew Freeze" and final score projection, I agree - If the jets dominate our O-line, Brees will not be able to make plays consistently. Hopefully, if that is the case our Run game and D will step up and keep the Jets D honest. Thats the point. He can depend on the o line to open up holes for the run gam. There either going to rush or respect the ground game. Being that we are ranked 1st and second in those categories its kind of hard to cover both. Unless Ryan has some sort of hybrid defense. He even said hes not looking forward to this game. I wonder why?????

10-01-2009, 11:34 PM	#3
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Dumbest comment I have ever seen on Brees Originally Posted by Sir Psycho Sexy SO flame me if you will, but he is %100 correct about Brees being a pocket passer, that's not a bad thing. And pocket passers are easier to get to than someone like Ben or McNabb. riiiiight, that's why Ben got sacked only 46 times last year McNabb got sacked only 23 times last year whereas Brees got sacked 13 times... he's a freaking statue. That Brees doesn't run around the entire backfield like a chicken with his head cut off doesn't mean he's not mobile. He, much like Payton Manning, has tremendous pocket awareness and is able to use the pocket to his advantage, and has great footwork. That's why Brees doesn't get sacked, not because he's got a great o-line. While these "mobile" QBs are trying to run away from the defenders, Brees and Manning dodge them very effectively within a small area using the bodies and space around them. Brady is not as good, actually.
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10-01-2009, 11:55 PM	#4
joker-saint 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 382 Blog Entries: 12	Re: Dumbest comment I have ever seen on Brees Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper riiiiight, that's why Ben got sacked only 46 times last year McNabb got sacked only 23 times last year whereas Brees got sacked 13 times... he's a freaking statue. That Brees doesn't run around the entire backfield like a chicken with his head cut off doesn't mean he's not mobile. He, much like Payton Manning, has tremendous pocket awareness and is able to use the pocket to his advantage, and has great footwork. That's why Brees doesn't get sacked, not because he's got a great o-line. While these "mobile" QBs are trying to run away from the defenders, Brees and Manning dodge them very effectively within a small area using the bodies and space around them. Brady is not as good, actually. Your right about that. He does use the bodies around him. Afterall isn't that what blockers are for? I think the Jets might get a few sacks, but then again it is in the dome and we have done a better job there than on the road. Sharpe and Dukes both are saying that the Jets aren't going to be able to keep up with our high scoring offense. Is it sunday yet? Mannnnn I cant wait.

10-02-2009, 12:01 AM	#5
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Dumbest comment I have ever seen on Brees Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper riiiiight, that's why Ben got sacked only 46 times last year McNabb got sacked only 23 times last year whereas Brees got sacked 13 times... he's a freaking statue. That Brees doesn't run around the entire backfield like a chicken with his head cut off doesn't mean he's not mobile. He, much like Payton Manning, has tremendous pocket awareness and is able to use the pocket to his advantage, and has great footwork. That's why Brees doesn't get sacked, not because he's got a great o-line. While these "mobile" QBs are trying to run away from the defenders, Brees and Manning dodge them very effectively within a small area using the bodies and space around them. Brady is not as good, actually. tom brady got sacked on average, 25 times over the past several seasons Peyton Manning got sacked on average, nearly 18 times a season over his career pocket passers do operate in a smaller area but good ones like brees and manning are able to avoid the rush like you said brady is not elusive at all, he doesnt have great pocket awareness....he doesnt make the best decisions all the time....the reason he is listed in the top 3 QBs all the time is because of his rings and his offensive line that gives him ample time to make every decision on the football field.....when he gets hurried like against the giants, he struggles....brees doesnt
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