What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

Reggie has run for 2 TD's (one called back), is running up the middle better, had more catches in his first 2 years than Bolden, had 4 TD's in one game vs San Fran, singlehandedly kept us in the Vikings game last season and was playing very well until he was hurt, and has to be accounted for at all times by opposing defenses.

No, Reggie has not exploded this year (yet), but neither has Moore. Reggie fumbled....Peterson gave up a TD too last week. Reggie's next run after the fumble was covered and he got about 6 yards up the gut. He has been a very productive player and our O and ST's would be worse off without him.

The draft is not a crystal ball. Let's re-cap:

1(1) Houston MARIO WILLIAMS DE North Carolina State - We have solid DE's
2(2) New Orleans REGGIE BUSH RB USC - Woot!
3(3) Tennessee VINCE YOUNG QB Texas - Um, yeah :rolleyes:
4(4) NY Jets D'BRICKASHAW FERGUSON OT Virginia - decent but not Brown
5(5) Green Bay A.J. HAWK LB Ohio State - great LB but so is Vilma
6(6) San Francisco VERNON DAVIS TE Maryland - Just now starting to play
7(7) Oakland MICHAEL HUFF DB Texas
8(8) Buffalo DONTE' WHITNER DB Ohio State
9(9) Detroit ERNIE SIMS LB Florida State
10(10) Arizona MATT LEINART QB USC - He's awesome :rolleyes:
11(11) Denver JAY CUTLER QB Vanderbilt - I'll take Brees :p
12(12) Baltimore HALOTI NGATA DT Oregon - he and Ellis would be nice
13(13) Cleveland KAMERION WIMBLEY DE Florida State
14(14) Philadelphia BRODRICK BUNKLEY DT Florida State :rolleyes:
15(15) St. Louis TYE HILL DB Clemson :rolleyes:
16(16) Miami JASON ALLEN DB Tennessee
17(17) Minnesota CHAD GREENWAY LB Iowa
18(18) Dallas BOBBY CARPENTER LB Ohio State :rolleyes:
19(19) San Diego ANTONIO CROMARTIE DB Florida State - Not a CB
20(20) Kansas City TAMBA HALI DE Penn State
21(21) New England LAURENCE MARONEY RB Minnesota - I'll take Reggie
22(22) San Francisco MANNY LAWSON DE North Carolina State
23(23) Tampa Bay DAVIN JOSEPH OG Oklahoma
24(24) Cincinnati JOHNATHAN JOSEPH DB South Carolina
25(25) Pittsburgh SANTONIO HOLMES WR Ohio State
26(26) Buffalo JOHN MCCARGO DT North Carolina State
27(27) Carolina DEANGELO WILLIAMS RB Memphis
28(28) Jacksonville MARCEDES LEWIS TE UCLA
29(29) NY Jets NICK MANGOLD OC Ohio State
30(30) Indianapolis JOSEPH ADDAI RB LSU
31(31) Seattle KELLY JENNINGS DB Miami (FL)
32(32) NY Giants MATHIAS KIWANUKA DE Boston College

Looking at these picks we did get a winner. We could have got Deangelo or a defensive player, but I don't think we would have been in the NFC Championship without Reggie. The guy catches way too much flak IMO.

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

Don't confuse legit criticism with hate.

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

Everyone thought we were getting a HOF home-run hitter and he turned out to be a pretty good relief pitcher.

He's an asset to the team, but he's not worth the top-player money that he gets.

It could be a lot worse.

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I've seen the improvement in Reggie, and hope it continues. He made comments during the OTAs of learning how to hit the holes and picking his spots and turning up the field...he's actually doing it...he could do it better but he is working to improve his craft. The same thing that seems to work against him in a croud (too light in the pants), works to his advantage in space. We/Payton/Brees have to do a better job of putting Reggie in space, and leading him in space with a linebacker trailing him. He hasn't had any room on the punt returns...total lock down...it happens. I just have to believe that he will make his contributions when his opportunities present themselves. He's wearing the colors, and I'm pulling for him.

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I don't think anyone hates Bush
I think he needs to get his head in the game
They guy has some serious talent and is not using it when it counts

When you are face with three defenders you don't dance around
You cover up the ball, lower you shoulder and plow forward for a few extra yards if that's even possible
Because we all know sometimes they stand you up and stop your progress
But that’s the name of the game

When you are in space and you and one defender then you can do the MC hammer all you want

He needs to use his head and plan a bit more

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

I haven't heard 1 person say they hate Reggie.

There's absolute adoration on the 1 hand, and hate on the other. There are 10,000 graduations in between, so WHY DO PEOPLE USE THE WORD HATE for criticism?

I love Reggie, and root for him. He's a Saint! But he has issues that need to be cleaned up. If he can stay healthy long enough, he has a shot at getting better. I wish him luck.

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This what I said in another post and I think this is what it boils down to, at least for me . . .

"Now that I have been overcome with a calmer mindset I think I know why it is very difficult seeing Reggie faltering. It all boils down to expectations. Our expectations of what Reggie are is dramatically different than that of PT23 or Bell. The fact is we/I bought into the hype that came with RB and I just have not seen it nor has he lived up to my expectations. I either have to lower my expectations or Reggie has to raise his bar. Not sure but one of them has to happen."
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Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

We are a nation of "what have you done for me lately". As such, Reggie contributions are confused with his missteps as of recent. Overall, Reggie's performance is a mixed bag. Some good, and some not so much. Consistency is not his middle name.

All that being said...I rather have him with the Saints than on another NFC South team having to prepare a defense for him twice a year!

IMHO, he will hit his groove and once again fans will be screaming "Reggie, Reggie, Reggie" that echo from the Superdome.

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

I think, yall, in the sports world, "hate" is just a term for criticism. Hence
the term "haters," etc. Granted, its been a few years since I stayed with
my auntie in the hood. (I really did) But I think there are "players," and there are "haters," which doesnt really mean they're in some sort of Klan, but rather that they are sitting in the stands as critics.

I'm not sure I know what Im talking about. I'll call up my baby's mama later
and ask her. fro shizzle, ...smack that beotch, I think????? ... or something .... peace???


That is an outstanding graphic PAPA V. You take a contentious topic among Saints fans, and those seem to me to be reasonable points supporting your case. I hope you're right, and you can count me in as one of the Kool Aid drinkers for Reggie. I like him. I like Kim. (I plan on DJ'ing their wedding--they just dont know it yet) I hope he breaks loose and sets the world on fire. I damn sure cant play running back any more.

fun stuff. Lets argue!I believe it.

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

just waiting on the expectations to be met

im a huge reggie fan and im starting to wonder if hes going to live up to the billing....sure hes a threat blah blah blah....problem is that he hasnt helped us win this year and thats why people think we are better without him

are we better without him? hell no....hes a dynamic football player.....but when he gives the ball back to the other team every couple carries it starts getting hard to watch

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

This has been reggies worse year- IMHO. The guy has been beaten out by all of our other RB's, and has a fumbling problem. Worse, is some of the absolute absurd punt returns that go backward, or hey why catch it at all- NM the fumbles. This year he is yet to make an impact. I just don't know what in the world is wrong with him.

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

How bout this, how bout everyone just lower their expectations for Reggie and then there wont be a problem. If he does good, you can say, wow Reggie had a great game. If not, you can say, well he was average. It was to be expected. Problem solved.

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

the bad thing is that i did lower my expectations already......all i expected was ball security and continuing his progress as a running back/satellite

he has failed at meeting those low expectations since he cant even continue to do what he has done the past few seasons.......

last year he could change a game single handidly by returning a punt for a TD or at least gaining yardage on a punt return....reggie hasnt done much of anything on special teams and to be honest....im getting nervous just seeing him on the field for fear of him putting the ball on the ground

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

Im telling you Canton, he's gonna be fine. Dont let them speedo drawers get too tight, and for the love of God, dont git a wooden dingy.

I dont have any real evidence to support why I think he's going to get it together, I just do. I'm using the Force.

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

lol if it were that easy the saints would have made it to the SB by now

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i hate him on special teams....there i said it. every time its kicked im worried about a fumble and the opposition is gonna get the ball back with good field position. Im tired of watching him decide to run left/right/backwards before running forward. theres even been a few kicks he shouldve called a fair catch on but instead let the ball bounce over his head giving us worse field position. yeah i realize, hes taken a few to the house, but thats the last thing i think about when i see him returning kicks.

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

So you're trying to say you hate him? :moan:

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

Sounds like someone has dingy envy.

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

I remember a very similar running back that was not great until later in his career. Tiki Barber was a very similar type of player. Believe me, there is time for Reggie Bush to be great, and he will bounce back from this disaster start. Yes, things could be a lot worse. Had the Saints not signed Drew Brees, Matt Leinart would have been the QB of the New Orleans Saints. Think about that for a second...

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

Reggie has shown glimpses of greatness - the game against SanFran in his rookie year, and last year's game vs the Vikings stand out in my mind.

As a Saints fan I still have faith that Reggie can someday become Pro-Bowl caliber, his pedestrian performances and fumble problems notwithstanding. A guy at the bar told me I should ditch the Bush jersey and get a Brees uni --- but what he doesn't understand is that fateful week of the NFL draft when Houston went with Mario Williams and the Saints got to pick Bush. It was walking on the clouds, a true sign that things WERE GOING to change. That's the feeling that is tied to that jersey.

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

Reggie just needs to improve more.. he is very talented but hasn't used it to full potential just yet.. give it more time.. maybe..

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

Can we set a target date say for 2020?
The money he is getting and the picks we can get for him. I don't think we can afford to wait that long.

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I think he still has that scared rookie look in his eyes. That fumble against the jets, was completely his fault. He was carrying the ball like a elementary school kid carries their history book. I dont hate him, but i cant say ive never used a few swear words when talking about his gameplay. He just needs to get his head together.

Oh. Inner ear problems cause dizziness, nausia, and sometimes vomiting, when u are in constant motion, or even when u are standing still. So riding a roller coaster would be pretty ignorant, if u have this problem. So, nothing to do with fear. More like a hatred for puking. Its ok, the person this statement is written for, will know what its about. :-)

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

makes perfect sense to me Paul. I'm not scared of cars, but I get deathfully
ill if I read while somebody else is driving.

now I understand.

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

If you think of him a wide receiver/return man and not a running back it fits in your brain.

How much we paid for a return man wide receiver doesn't fit in your brain.

Erik Metcalf--A multi-talented player, Metcalf excelled at offense and as a returner on special teams. In his second NFL season, he led the league in kickoff return yards (1,052) and return touchdowns (two). He also led the NFL in punt return touchdowns in four different seasons (1993-1995, 1997). Overall, Metcalf finished his career with 2,392 rushing yards, 541 receptions for 5,572 yards, 3,453 punt return yards, and 5,813 yards returning kickoffs. This gave him a total of 17,230 all-purpose yards, ranking him among the NFL's top 10 in that category at the time of his retirement. He also scored 55 touchdowns (12 rushing, 31 receiving, ten punt returns, two kickoff returns).

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

I don't get the concern for all the money he is being paid. If I had to pay it...then I'd get it. The Saints have a great team and are undefeated. How much each player is making doesn't seem to have an effect on how they play together as a unit.

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wow, Eric Metcalf, good mention. I used to watch him light up the Oilers, and then he gave the Saints some **** when he played for ATL. Good comparison.

I dont give a hoot about who makes what.

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

What do you think we could get for Reggie?

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I was just trying to have some fun on the last post similar to this. I was calling him clay eater or he could be a candidate to suffer a turf head injury.
For whatever reason this guy is lacking something this year. I am baffled as to what it is. Certainly power is not his game and never has been. I agree if he can put together games like Minn last year he will be able to earn his stripes and legitimize his status on this team. If not he is going to have a hard time getting that money next year. So far most will agree he has been overshadowed by the rest of the running backs. Maybe his pride is hurt and he has some other problems with the coaches we do not know about. For now I think we stick with him and see what happens and hope for the best.

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

Absolutely agree. anytime I hear "Bush back to receive the punt" i **** myself

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

So does the other team.

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

lol well I bet that comes from both sidlines

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

Before or after they say "OK guys, it's Bush. Strip the ball!"


I think the Raiders or maybe the Eagles would give us a 2nd round
draft choice for him. If he doesn't stay healthy and improve this
year, I think we should take it.

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

I think this was my favorite play.. ever.

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

again I don't think anyone is saying that he is not an explosive or dynamic player that has the ability to score anytime he touches the ball

he just need to tighten up his game

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

http://www.moosedenied.com/dont-lean...rd-the-ticket/

This makes the case that Reggie's already being phased out.

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

Good read I hope he can turn it around and this doesn't happen

I would hate to see a player with his potential go
But in the end...
it is what it is

Dimmit Reggie!!!!!!
Get your head out of that girls @$$ and play some football
It seams that every time she is around he falls short of playing up to his potential

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

..that's exactly how I feel.

Re: What's with all the hate on Reggie?
 

Great article. Great insight and I think this guy was able to put into words what we all feel better than anyone else so far